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My horrific CTA party
thestaggy
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So, after a few Protector's Speech runs on my GWF I hopped on my GF to let him have a go.
First run and I see 2 level 60 CWs and 2 level 60 HRs. I'm thinking ''sweet''. Even if they are not OP these 4 should be able to hurry this run up quite nicely and we'll get all the bonuses.
First wave - The Orcs and their catapults.
Now I had done this a few times so I knew I could just run down the stairs, ignore the mobs and destroy the catapults. After I arrive at the first catapult by myself while the rest fight the first group of trash I realise okay, these 4 haven't done this before. In party chat I type ''ignore adds, follow me and destroy catapults''. Nobody comes. I move to the next catapult with even more adds on me. I say again ''ignore adds, follow me and destroy catapults''. Nobody comes. I destroy the second catapult. I die on the way to the final catapult due to add horde on me while the other 4 are still fighting at the foot of the stairs. I rez, come back down the otherside and destroy the final catapult. Then, with a tail of adds I run to the boss, whom the other 4 are now ignoring even though they are a few feet away from him. I solo fight the boss. At this point I realise I have not seen or heard a single Singularity or Oppressive Force with two level 60 CWs in the party. I type in chat ''please ignore trash, fight boss, use AOEs''. Nothing. I solo kill the boss, adds despawn.
Second wave - Spellplagued
I run around, soloing 4 of the monsters that need to be killed, including Maws, while the 4 derps stay in one place at the front of the market killing a single boss and its adds in the time it took me to kill 4. I come to the final monster where they join me and lo and behold, with about a dozen mobs I see single target CC powers being used on monsters. Entangling Force for the win! Still. No. AOE. I type in chat again, ''PLEASE use AOEs it helps''. Nothing.
Third wave - Fomorian Witches
By this time you know the drill. I plead before the witches arrive ''AOEs PLEASE and focus witches''. They arrive and my GF continues to wail away at the primary targets while the CWs are continuing to use single target CCs on the trash around it. Again, I kill all 4 witches while they derp around single-targeting trash. More pleads of ''Singularity? Oppressive? Split Sky? Hurricane?'' are ignored.
Suffice it to say, we lost all bonuses because the lowest DPS party member was the one trying to complete the primary objectives. What made this more problematic is that because they were not controlling or damaging adds, I could never mount, so I ran around the streets and market of Protector's Enclave with adds in toe further slowing down what was already a slow run.
Even if these guys were fresh 60s in green, surely they'd know about AOE? Or maybe they were a troll brigade? Isn't it normal behavior to listen to the one person that seems to have a clue? I was both very frustrated and quite perplexed by what had just gone on.
First run and I see 2 level 60 CWs and 2 level 60 HRs. I'm thinking ''sweet''. Even if they are not OP these 4 should be able to hurry this run up quite nicely and we'll get all the bonuses.
First wave - The Orcs and their catapults.
Now I had done this a few times so I knew I could just run down the stairs, ignore the mobs and destroy the catapults. After I arrive at the first catapult by myself while the rest fight the first group of trash I realise okay, these 4 haven't done this before. In party chat I type ''ignore adds, follow me and destroy catapults''. Nobody comes. I move to the next catapult with even more adds on me. I say again ''ignore adds, follow me and destroy catapults''. Nobody comes. I destroy the second catapult. I die on the way to the final catapult due to add horde on me while the other 4 are still fighting at the foot of the stairs. I rez, come back down the otherside and destroy the final catapult. Then, with a tail of adds I run to the boss, whom the other 4 are now ignoring even though they are a few feet away from him. I solo fight the boss. At this point I realise I have not seen or heard a single Singularity or Oppressive Force with two level 60 CWs in the party. I type in chat ''please ignore trash, fight boss, use AOEs''. Nothing. I solo kill the boss, adds despawn.
Second wave - Spellplagued
I run around, soloing 4 of the monsters that need to be killed, including Maws, while the 4 derps stay in one place at the front of the market killing a single boss and its adds in the time it took me to kill 4. I come to the final monster where they join me and lo and behold, with about a dozen mobs I see single target CC powers being used on monsters. Entangling Force for the win! Still. No. AOE. I type in chat again, ''PLEASE use AOEs it helps''. Nothing.
Third wave - Fomorian Witches
By this time you know the drill. I plead before the witches arrive ''AOEs PLEASE and focus witches''. They arrive and my GF continues to wail away at the primary targets while the CWs are continuing to use single target CCs on the trash around it. Again, I kill all 4 witches while they derp around single-targeting trash. More pleads of ''Singularity? Oppressive? Split Sky? Hurricane?'' are ignored.
Suffice it to say, we lost all bonuses because the lowest DPS party member was the one trying to complete the primary objectives. What made this more problematic is that because they were not controlling or damaging adds, I could never mount, so I ran around the streets and market of Protector's Enclave with adds in toe further slowing down what was already a slow run.
Even if these guys were fresh 60s in green, surely they'd know about AOE? Or maybe they were a troll brigade? Isn't it normal behavior to listen to the one person that seems to have a clue? I was both very frustrated and quite perplexed by what had just gone on.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
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In general, if you are that bothered, you are best of LEAVING and forming your own group of friends. In my case, my main is a HR, I am not 'max damage' and focus a bit more on debuffing with Commanding Shot and Thorn Ward, but I can deal with most stuff on my own, when I'm not suffering graphics stutter due to even more physics animated garbage than usual. I can deal with derpgroups, I also don't bother sweeping up suicidal Sub-60ies who think they can rambo it out like that 'same class' lv60 in the groups. And usually, I had been lucky, getting at least Silver grade bonus rewards.
But don't PVP CWs at least make use of Oppressive Force?
Maybe they were just too nervous or rookie-ish so they even forgot to use Ice Storm.
Don't suppose these guys are bots..? One run this morning every other toon had the same lame white healer companion out.
2. Solo most of it yourself.
3. GWF seems to be better fit this event then CW, as alot of it is ignore adds while they pound on you stuff, so GWF fits right in while you destroy portals and catapults and junk. CW was way better last event.. so hey nice change up.
4. I have no ideal where some of these people hide out honestly, I think some of them just do not do any sort of DD's or PVP or anything but for some reason roll into the CTA's , I never think Im better then average, but some of these people make me look great:p
5. IF you have to explain a basically skirm event to them, then your already in trouble.. they give you blue dots/circles on maps, tell you the time you need to beat it in and give you the (save 6 poeple, destroy portals, save money) clue as well so you got me how they ignore that and chase random mobs out of the blues and stuff.
A lot of people don't understand English.
A lot of people are very young.
A lot of people don't really understand how things work (A cleric comes to mind, he was using no at-wills at all, just using encounters when they came off CD - like healers in other games who only 'heal' but don't 'dps').
But still, I think bots. Your party must have been bots.
And I ran one with my level 60 cleric where I slotted DPS right up to the end because I was the only one in the group that could effectively AoE. It went pretty well, actually.
(And I think you might have just beat my Sab Whisperknife's Garrundar CTA pugstory. Congratudolences?)
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Most PuGs I find OK, some faster, some slower. On a rare occasion I have run into one that is obviously not going to work or I will end up doing all the work, so I will leave in that situation.
Uh... not sure if serious. All shards were always international.
The tone almost reads like someone making fun of someone waxing nostalgic over "the good ol' days" (since they're not generally as good as made out).
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Play SCA. 30+ tokens a game. Probably about the same return on your time as doing the skirmish.
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I've literally never, ever, had anyone not understand me back then in Dragon shard. Now when I explain strategies I get "?" or something similar 75% of the time.
First because group usually don't provide any help, leaving me with all the aggro.
Second because they think that they have an amazing dps, when great part is provided by my debuffs.
Nice to see individuals dying, thanks to their arrogance.
Then my 12k GF got paingiver in her KC armor... If I'd known beforehand I'd have gone with her Valiant Warrior set and at least speeded up things.
Today I've done ONLY guild runs.
Blue circles are not in languages, they are in colours =P.
What got me, was the "runt" trolls died like always. Yet the "thorns" were these tiny supermen.
My HR can hold it's own in most situations, the thorns would lose almost no HP.
Yes I first took care of those pointy capped good time healers they lug around.
When did the thorns become unkillable?
So the rest of the party ends up being CWs, a 6, a 60, and a mid-level one. The 60 is actually typing in party chat, and has apparently decided to show the level 6 around (same guild). They are discussing how boring the speech is... amusing. I think it's going to be ok.
We had Dead Rats. Not sure where the rest of the party is, but no problem. This is the simplest starting challenge anyway so it won't matter if they're a bit slow to start because of the first-timer.
We had Ashmadai devils. The party is somewhere behind us while we charge from portal to portal. They help with the Shocktroops by pulling two together. I am totally willing to overlook a level 6 using Entangling Force and Ice Storm and mostly standing there trying to Magic Missile things to death. I know they don't actually have any other spells.
I am not impressed when the level 60 CW is using the same loadout. And what a way to set an example for your friend who's a new player too. The first time she gets killed, I pick her up and she thanks me. I quickly learn that I am actually better off letting the rest of the party be dead.
We still finish off the final Shocktroop with time to spare, because big bads don't live very long when sandwiched between the dynamic duo of tanky and sneaky DPS.
Fomorians... uh oh. This might get ugly. Too many mobs getting pulled without needing to be and a lot of being stuck in combat and unable to interact with cauldrons and move on. Trying to nail the witherers before they heal the big targets. We're still doing not bad up to #3 and then it actually falls apart. Our strategy of the GWF pulling leftover mobs away so I can get out of combat and do the interact does not work, because the level 6 has a Thorn on her and is running back and forth all over the stables with it chasing her so we can't get a bead on it. Keystone Kops anyone? We make our best effort at recovering during the Magra fight, but lose the bonus by seconds.
I inspect the level 60 CW. T1 PvP set, I'm guessing bought. No enchants slotted at all, not even rank 4s. I vaguely suspect this person does not actually play the game, except to stand around and snark. When we collected our rewards, they were still making jokes about the droning old man speech.
Husband had suggested that CTAs, this one in particular, bring out everyone's characters that they levelled at the campfire and never learned how to play, never slotted any powers other than the ones automatically assigned as they unlocked. And I'm inclined to believe he's onto something, having now observed many level 60s that do play as though they were still level 6.
My main who collects companions will be getting a Travelling Entertainer... and he shall be dubbed... Pugwizard.
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The main problem was not being able to get them to stop allowing the battle wights to heal off them. That took *forever* as a result. I'd get one most of the way down, somebody would pull it away from me (I'm in stealth so I can't avoid that), and all my effort would be undone.
Basically soloed rescuing civilians from aberrants. I think the party decided to pick a fight with an intellect devourer. <snide comment averted>
Edit: PS If you nerf my stealth I won't be able to carry like this.
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Only strong high-end players, or perhaps TRs in stealth, have the ability to simply ignore adds and focus instead on destroying catapults/Deathknell shards/whatever. New level 60's, and everyone else below, can't do that. So they have to fight the skirmish the way it was intended to be fought, i.e., fight each group of adds one by one.
Please don't criticize players for fighting a skirmish in the manner it was intended to be fought. Sure not using any AOE at all is dumb. But fighting mobs *and then* destroying catapults is perfectly legit.
It's the groups that (for example) get distracted by the four zombies in front of the Grand Emporium and never actually make it as far as the Auction House that cause frustration, not only because it takes them several minutes to down those zombies (probably due to not using any AoEs), but because they could have simply avoided them in the first place.
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This is very true, since the Garden will be very convenient for invoke/bank/crafting alts.
I myself am running two alts through that normally get no playtime. One is my rogue (just didn't enjoy the playstyle), who I leveled through all Sharandar and DR boons, in full purple, so not awful -- except for my poor play. :P
The other is my bank alt GWF, who I leveled only to the bag quest in Neverdeath Graveyard, letting her reach 60 by invoking/leadership. When I dusted her off, she had lvl 23-30 greens and no powers/feats picked past lvl 30. So I did the powers, bought blues for all her slots for 100-120 AD each, then splurged on an epic weapon. Didn't bother with enchants.
She is consistently 2nd in damage dealt and enemies slain, no matter if everyone else is 60.
The first time I did this skirmish, it was with my level 38 CW. The objective was to destroy the catapults. Okay. So I head on down to the street on my 50% mount, but by time I got there, there were no catapults. That's because the level 60 guys on their 110% mounts had already gotten there ahead of me and taken the first one out. I couldn't see the other two, because all I saw was mobs mobs mobs. So I started fighting the mobs. What else was I supposed to do? I didn't even know where the other catapults were. Well the mobs killed me not long after because I was the only one fighting this huge ton of mobs with this lowly level 38 CW. And so I'm thinking, "WTF I'm the lowbie player here, why am I the only one fighting the mobs? Where's the powerful level 60 guys?" But if you had been one of the level 60 guys, you'd probably be thinking "WTF is this idiot level 38 CW doing fighting mobs when he's supposed to be taking out catapults?"
Incidentally, Knox's congratulatory message changes at the end when you don't get any bonuses. I didn't realize that until this time.