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vitizax
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Just ended GG T2 dungeon, i played with pugs, didnt say a word in the whole dungeon, i tank last boss perfectly, even without healer, when last boss is dead, and even before i could take my coins and seals i got kicked.
This is the third time this week this happens to me, i dont understand what kind of kicking system allow this, the dungeon is over, we are rolling for items and kicking is alowed??
What can i do to avoid this (apart from going with my guild) being faster kicking others???
Why didnt anybody think about this unjust behaviour when implementing kicking system?
This is the third time this week this happens to me, i dont understand what kind of kicking system allow this, the dungeon is over, we are rolling for items and kicking is alowed??
What can i do to avoid this (apart from going with my guild) being faster kicking others???
Why didnt anybody think about this unjust behaviour when implementing kicking system?
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Unfortunately, running with your guild is going to be your best bet. Vote kicking is going to be abused no matter how you slice it, and Cryptic can do very little about the behaviors of certain people. Some people are just going to be jerks no matter what you do.
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This seems like the most plausible solution. Once you load that boss fight (because it already makes you all walk into the circle and load the fight) turn kicking off. If you all die and reset the fight, kicking turns back on.
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We are not asking cryptic to change ppls behavior, we are asking them to change their voting system.
NO MORE KICK VOTE!!!!
u pug play with what u got dont like it leave party and start over
this means no more ninja!!!!
I don't think the vote system should be abandoned all together - it just seems the devs have an unrealistically optimistic view of how players would actually use the system... a few tweaks as people have suggested should do the trick.
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The most common reason I've seen for vote kicking is someone continuously rolling 'need' instead of 'greed'. Simple fix - everyone roll need. Even on Epics. Hope that the RNG drops a class item. Even if there's more than one of your class, you're only rolling against that 1, 2 or 3 and not 5.
The second most common reason is a disconnect. I can't really think of a solution for that unless it's possible for the code to detect a DC and allow a kick...
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And thieves will always exist so banks don't really need to take measures to protect money from customers or themselves. Must be nice to pretend cryptic has done everything flawlessly and locking legitimate threads wanting to improve an area of the game calling them complains when they really aren't.
Toxic people will always exist, but there are always ways to reduce their affect on the game.
1) Set a way to lock loot rolls as a vote or from the leader to prevent need ninjas on all greed runs.
2) If players have contributed to the last fight, disable kicking for that player. There's just no justification to do it ever.
3) Members who didn't contribute to the dungeon (if the queue allows them to join in after the fight) shouldn't be able to roll.
Those are not impossible things to implement but will give people more control and people are less likely to get loot they don't deserve. You're right that guild runs are definitely the way to go. However it shouldn't be a forced option and not all guilds will constantly have 5 players up for the same thing. There may be other things they can also do, but those are just some that have either been mentioned or that I thought of.
Point is, improving kicking system does not improve monetary gains, at least not on a visible scale.
A new class, a new area, a new dungeon, does increase revenue.
OP voted need and got kicked. No reason to come to the forums to complain about something fair that happened to you.
This would just make finding groups that much more difficult. Make groups that do form fall apart early after someone needs on early bosses. And make more groups set to "Party leader decides" to prevent ninjaing, which would just end up with more ninja'd items.
Sorry but this is not true, i made a ticket, they can review logs or whatever.
Asseverating things when you dont really know if is true, is just lying. Avoid calling me liar in the future, its disrespectful.
I did a GG DK PUG run with my GWF as runner. In the first run they kicked the HR for no reason. I ckecked if he needed or was afk, no reason for the kick, so I voted against the kick, but got overruled. The next run they did not find a replacement, invited him again and kicked him again. I voted against it, again. Got overruled and he was kicked, again. I asked the team for a reason and later the kicked player, because I assumed it was a joke between friends. They were ninjas.
As it seems you cant run as random player with guilds, without the fear of ninjas. They should at last make a kick unianimous and not a majority decision.
Noone cares about loot in FC though...
I've suggested this many times already, so here's one more time: We could simply block the vote-kick during combat, and for three minutes afterwards. This makes sure no one gets kicked during combat, and we have plenty of time to gather up loot afterwards. Even if you died during the boss fight, you will still have plenty of time to run up to the chest and get your loot. Plus, waiting all of three minutes to kick someone who's disconnected isn't all that bad, and it will give them time to return anyway. The problem will be solved permanently, and yet this is hardly the last time we'll hear about this problem.
I have to say, being kicked multiple times in one week, is way WAY beyond average , you may find some people kicking after boss fight, but I might have experienced that once or twice in a thousand dungeon runs. Overall doing that people burn bridge after bridge and eventually when they ask to join , you will recognize them and you WILL not invite them.
JOIN legit, dont worry about speedrunning and exploits and the ninjas, they will be outed on that channel for sure.
Ive done 4 runs in DK with average of like 13k gearscore, while those speed runners worry about 5 runs or so while exploiting and acting like jerks if you , oh by chance pull a mob or something. Those same people will require you to have perfect vorps , 15k plus and stones and junk for a simple t2 (in fact once you know it DK is actually easier then FC, the front mobs are way faster to take down legit wise and FC front heavy on mob adds)
This community is pretty harsh really, legit is more reasonable , or join a more populated guild, that works as well. I never use LFG unless I have to fill out a party. But its stated up front, its legit rules, greed all, no exploits, and garsh darnit, have fun, its a game afterall.
That's why GMs are for. Submit a ticket, they have all the logs anyway. Kickers perma-banned, problem solved.
I would agree with this completely, if you enter the final boss chamber or campfire the vote kick option is disabled for the entire fight until you exit the dungeon.
I see it from a similar viewpoint. Because out of the hundreds of dungeons I've done, I've never once seen someone kicked without good reason. It's almost always because someone either needed on an item, or someone DCed and is taking up a spot.
Every time any member of the party loots something, all members of the party auto-roll for that item. Problem solved.
2. Fail boss fight.
3. One person disconnects for whatever reason, and doesn't come back.
4. The vote kick was disabled when you started the boss fight, so you can't kick the person who disconnected. But as you can't kick him, you can't get a replacement either.
What now?