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mikeym80
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Disclaimer: Unless you are a serious PvP enthusiast in this game, playing at top tier, this does not pertain to you.
GWF is OP (still)
And I mean seriously OP. 20k encounters? Seriously press 1 button and you do 20k to a tanky DC? That's unreal guys.
PvP is trolled by 3 GWF (or all) comp. GWF = win. Roar can cancel anything? Impossible to catch.. IMPOSSIBLE!
TR is ruined
Literally smashed into the ground by nerf hammers. You've taken impact shot away from them completely. If the enemy runs, TR's are forced to watch, or try to keep up while their skill less PotB ticks. Stealth and watch (duelist flurrying) is the new meta for a TR. Not to mention Shadow Strike AND ITC bug since beta. Can't even kill an HR with the right build 1v1.
GF's
LOL!
PS:
Valindras Crown is broken. You can cancel the animation and spam it? Apparently it also refreshes Soulforged?
Leader board is broken. The rank proves nothing and has no worth with people farming their alts in another party. A complete reset of the leader board should actually take place seeing how it's not by any means legit at the moment.
Not even sure how the ranking works, how to climb the ladder, or why I go down after a win.
Overall, I would like to thank the devs for recognizing the PvP community with MOD 3. These issues that have become a frustrating pet peeve to me that I listed above is only constructive criticism.Keep your flame to yourself.
Open PvP was plenty fun so far. We've managed a few guild wars on the new map and it was just amazing. There's a few videos up on Youtube already!
Please share your known issues in PvP as well.
GWF is OP (still)
And I mean seriously OP. 20k encounters? Seriously press 1 button and you do 20k to a tanky DC? That's unreal guys.
PvP is trolled by 3 GWF (or all) comp. GWF = win. Roar can cancel anything? Impossible to catch.. IMPOSSIBLE!
TR is ruined
Literally smashed into the ground by nerf hammers. You've taken impact shot away from them completely. If the enemy runs, TR's are forced to watch, or try to keep up while their skill less PotB ticks. Stealth and watch (duelist flurrying) is the new meta for a TR. Not to mention Shadow Strike AND ITC bug since beta. Can't even kill an HR with the right build 1v1.
GF's
LOL!
PS:
Valindras Crown is broken. You can cancel the animation and spam it? Apparently it also refreshes Soulforged?
Leader board is broken. The rank proves nothing and has no worth with people farming their alts in another party. A complete reset of the leader board should actually take place seeing how it's not by any means legit at the moment.
Not even sure how the ranking works, how to climb the ladder, or why I go down after a win.
Overall, I would like to thank the devs for recognizing the PvP community with MOD 3. These issues that have become a frustrating pet peeve to me that I listed above is only constructive criticism.Keep your flame to yourself.
Open PvP was plenty fun so far. We've managed a few guild wars on the new map and it was just amazing. There's a few videos up on Youtube already!
Please share your known issues in PvP as well.
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I might add the new fotm Pathfinder spec to the broken things. if GWF and HR are tamed down to pre M3, TR remains powerful and DC can still do their job without having to suffer 20K IBS crits.
Support classes such as DC above also suffer a lot because of the 8 second cooldown on mounting.
HR is a much bigger problem, you can catch and burn down a GWF or make him run away, but a HR can contest node until the cows come home. It's unreal.
I saw a guy today in GG use forest meditation (he was the new pathfinder spec) in the middle of a crowd of 5 guys (including 2 supposedly OP GWF's) and basically he healed through/deflected everything, popped up and dodged his way to freedom.
Talk about get real...
My TR guildies were hit for 18k no debuff
Pics or it didn't happen.
This is thoughtful of you, thank you. I wish more people would do this.
Though I'm not a PvPer, I understand the juxtaposition PvE versus PvP pose. I hope the Devs can work something out that make all you PvPers happy.
I almost completely agree with you. I would say a TR relies on stealth though. Get caught out and you are at 30%
Thanks for the positive feedback though.
I tried to keep it sincerely kosher on this topic and refrain from flame. Can't assume it will be flame free though.
Thanks for a biased and positive reply. Much appreciated.
All of this needs to be said by the group you are referring to, not just "to" them. I don't agree 100% with the particulars where classes are concerned, but the message its self is legit. Thanks for saying it.
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I agree with all of this except that TR is completely ruined. I will say it has gotten into a much worse state progressively as a result of the nerfs, but TR still has lots of potential to do and be extremely viable still despite it having less 1v1 capability in certain situations now. I agree that not perma based TRs are ruined though. Once the discussed stealth changes take place, then TR will need significant damage buffs again or else I probably will agree it is completely ruined.
I am not sure where I stand on the leaderboard though, so I cut it out of the quote and am not going to say much about it. All I can say is that a reset means nothing if there are not changes to make it more accurate if it is inaccurate. Also, you like many others have said you don't know how the leaderboard works, so how could you say that it is inaccurate? I don't mean to attack you with that statement or anything. I do feel myself as though the leaderboard isn't accurate in reflecting rankings, but I also can't say I understand how it works. Perhaps if we saw the true mechanics of it, it could make more sense as to how it was working. However, if we were told how it works, then people would know how to abuse the system. Again, I do feel as though it may not be entirely accurate though.
Aside from that , I also couldn't thank the devs enough for recognizing the PvP community with this mod. Obviously there will always be issues with balance and despite new changes or issues arising, I believe overall the game is on the right track moving towards well balanced PvP gameplay. If it wasn't for this mod getting involved in and recognizing the PvP community I would have left. I already did leave for a short time prior to the mod, but now that PvP is being recognized and delt with, I am excited to stay.
Also, I have a GWF at 55 with items level 30. I go in dungeons, I tank everything and easy shot everyone at boss.
I go PvP and with one rotation I am able to kill everyone with my gwf.
Full rank 6 GWF with some personal skill that is fightining without weapon enchant can easy defeat a full rank 9 class.
CW: What the hell... 0 control ability, low damage and not really ranged skills.
TR: I hate the nerf method since they nerfed DUelist's flurry max stack of poison. 10 instead 20...
Some say next nerf will let Trickster wear one-handed rounded scissors in main-hand and Swiss army knife as off-hand weapon.
I am not going to cry for impact shot nerf or shocking execution because even TR is my main class I think they acted correctly nerfing 'em..
Just can't understund how they can think to nerf EVERYTHING about TR and don't fix things such Impossible to catch immunity against Daze from Dazing Strike, Disruptive shot, Roar, etc etc.
Give us back 20 poison stack! Atleast TR is going to be used again in PvE!
GF: Useless. That's all.
HR: Doesn't have any rilevance in PvE. Beast class in PvP.
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Slowly is a good word. Trying to not get hit or proned while stealthing the whole time you are slowly taking someone down, or you're 30% if caught.
Keep in mind rotations, artifacts, and pots. I personally think the DPS on a TR is slightly under powered.
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And until you learn that these nerfs are not solving anything but only creating your own problems that were not there prior... you deserve the PvP you got...
You did it to yourself.
I beg to disagree, we do zero damage and are struggling to heal ourselves in current meta. What can and what should we do except being a meatshield? Healer? Nah, you must trade your healing power to survive in pvp, most pve cleric always dies in one rotation (with a few exceptions here). Dps/debuff? You die even faster because you have to slot 3 dps encounters. Sentinel? That is what all other pvp players want from you. They usually want you to stay 2 to heal and keep the mid node contested. No idea what is our role in pvp now except being a food and meatshield. So why not giving back clerics better self healing and unnerfed back temp hp on Anointed Champions?? Or you don't want your cleric in your team to be a sent but instead doing dps or pve max healing style in pvp?
I'd say your first mistake (judging by you names in your sig) is that you rolled wrong. Halfling + 20 con roll. Hp = surviving. Halfling race also offer a CC resist. Run Miracle healers and put a P Vorp in your weapon.
I know a few DC's that can hold their own on a node 1v1 against almost any class. A good DC is also going to rotate quick and spot heal teammates that are low on end points. With the new CD on mounts I'm not sure how these rotations are working out lately.
I must join this little club here, yes Module 3 needs a serious rework. The PVE part is nearly good, but the broken and now over nerfed GF really needs a rework. My primary char is a GF and he is nearly unplayable in this environment, he was very broken as a class in the past too, but with open world PVP and the much harsh PVE opponents, without any help he is a pain to play or nearly unplayable, like in the above mentioned open world pvp, he can't run, he can't dodge, he has no survivability skills, that can keep him par with other classes.
My other point, Sentinels and perma TRs are still too overpowered, i know this looks cool, but yet again no such a thing in D&D.
Sentinel players tend to come with their lower dps value, but again this is not so true, i saw a sentinel today, with more than 8K power and 3K crit, and 46K health points.
Perma in any way should be erased from the game, they ruin gameplay and to be honest they can really manipulate the AH prices, because they are the majority of players who can come close to Ancient gear, just look at AH prices, they are in the sky now, not any normal player can afford them now.
I must add, that i like pvp, but in a more controlled environment, that's why i better like the old school Domination, it has certainly it's faults too, but way better than this.
Third, i think the incorporation of dailies into pvp is a big mistake, my guild is made for mostly PVE content, so the players. Now you can't go on and choose whether to do dailes or pvp, it has been mixed together. I don't see the point in here!
Pvp now in Mod 3 is a big playground for some kidies or some really nasty people and guilds, who just play an OP GWF or mostly perma TR and don't let you do your quests in peace. Today i came across an Italian guild, who's players only do PVP in that area and they only consist out of OP GWF Sentinels and perma TRs. They stood there and where just irritating people, who asked for letting them do their dailies, but no, we had to come back latter, much latter.
Overall this kind of PVP is not about skill nor about honor, 10v1 or more is a big nonsense, there should be a limit of opposing players, both minimum and maximum.
I think for the devs, the easiest way would be to separate the two gaming styles, than think further.
Bye!
Oh yes don't forget the new HRs as above mentioned by a fellow player, they are also useless in PVE, but can be a big pain in PVP, yes i too witnessed an in-game meditation, i was just looking and said to myself, what the holy...
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Come on, man. It's a PvP daily! You can't expect PvP players to leave you alone for a PvP daily. It isn't necessary to do it anyway. They DID separate the PvP and PvE zones. As long as you don't cross the border, you're safe. PvP dailies are not a requirement to advance in PvE campaign.
GF able block your entire row of attacks and have enough block left to drain another player's. But in PVE 3 little gobbies hit you and you're left running like a scared headless chicken.
I know abt race for clerics as well. My first 3 clerics are human, one for pve and two for pvp, all were deleted to free up character slot. (My ardent coin....
DCs have it a LOT harder than TRs in terms of survivability at the moment, and can be focused far, far more easily. That being said, GWF damage is out of control right now when one rotation can almost kill just about anyone. And HR survivability/regen is kind of ridiculous for a ranged class.
Edit: The combat timer has also hugely curtailed the possibility of "quick" rotations. I've even gone with both movement speed boons, rank 9s in utilities, etc., and it's still so painfully slow to move between points.
I think it comes down to multiple other factors. Lesser geared and built characters will spam dailies on a character, all at once, and you can just rock on right through that. Better geared/built characters will one shot you with those dailies. But where there actually is gs/build parity, the dailies seem to function as intended: potentially lethal attacks which do substantial damage but will not one shot you from full health to nothing.
Jugger Conq GF
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You want me to post a Shadow Strike bug video? Gladly! I'll also include ITC bug as well!
Unless you weren't talking to me, apologies.
This ^
Yes, daily powers are powerful and not having them would result in fewer kills. But I don't know about removing them. They do, in my opinion, add an interesting dynamic to PvP. But they need some tweaking. For example, the DC Hammer of Fate should be just one hard hitting hammer (or three fired as one). The problem now is the animation takes all day to run its course as it fires each hammer, one after another, up to a total of three. The DC is immune to CC during this time but not damage. It should be more like Ice Knife where you hear it being fired, it then fires off the hammer(s), and it either hits or the target dodges it. And if you are hit it should really suck (like Ice Knife). To make it unique, and not just another Ice Knife, they can add a daze/stun if someone is hit by it.
I'd love to be "tamed down" on my HR with neverending constricting arrow (thanks to stormstep action), easy near-instant 5k crits on split shot, and a fox shift that hits 4 times. You can have my extra 3k damage from careful attack.
FOTM for HR isn't Pathfinder, it's just HR. Almost everything comes from regular HR abilities, and those abilities ARE nerfed. God forbid a paragon path has ONE decent skill to add to the normal skillset (careful attack).
As for the OP, I agree with what you've said however I still think TRs are the best at contesting a node (and certainly the best at getting to the enemy node).
I noticed a CW doing this. It also seemed like his soulforged procced twice in about 15 seconds. Something is definitely up.
Yep, you're absolutely right. Props to the devs for the Emblem nerf though. We need to shed some light on this new bug now.