Am I misunderstanding anything?
I understand why glory cant not be traded, and I agree
Look at all the low level PvP matches, and also... you don't want to see all of newbie lv60 characters to have profound set as they didn't even win a match yet
For AD... ALL I SEE ABOVE IS HOW TO USE OTHER METHODS TO TRANSFER WITHIN ACCOUNT
I just want to know how does it defeat the purpose of against botters?
and why would it be worse for normal users not having a simple easier option to transfer?
those bots would just create more accounts and characters to double the speed
they don't care if it's going to be on the same character or not
they plus, giving them a little bit trouble when transferring is giving all of us trouble transferring
and their farming accounts seriously influence the performance of our only server
Am I misunderstanding anything?
I understand why glory cant not be traded, and I agree
Look at all the low level PvP matches, and also... you don't want to see all of newbie lv60 characters to have profound set as they didn't even win a match yet
For AD... ALL I SEE ABOVE IS HOW TO USE OTHER METHODS TO TRANSFER WITHIN ACCOUNT
I just want to know how does it defeat the purpose of against botters?
and why would it be worse for normal users not having a simple easier option to transfer?
those bots would just create more accounts and characters to double the speed
they don't care if it's going to be on the same character or not
they plus, giving them a little bit trouble when transferring is giving all of us trouble transferring
and their farming accounts seriously influence the performance of our only server
AD cannot be transferred between accounts through the Exchange, so there is no way a botter could use the Exchange to transfer Zen/AD to other accounts. You can only transfer AD between characters on the same account through the Exchange - as I mentioned in the method I posted above, which is the Official Method, as it is in the Official Extended FAQ Sticky.
Sorry I meant no reason not to. Isn't it great when you forget the crucial word and make the opposite point you were trying to make.
Yup, but I wasn't countering you, I was supporting your actual meaning of sharing AD by a better means, since I figured you meant that from you Trade Bars sentence, among other things.
Have you tried this with 10+ characters? Canceling, reclaiming, popping in new numbers to post, cancel, reclaim, pop in a new bigger number.
Uh oh, you have reached the Zen limit! Time to jump to another character again. It is very time consuming.
You forgot:-
1) "Oh no, I accidentally entered it into Sell instead of Buy! ARGGHH!! (Zen and 'potential AD' loss)"
2) "What, it got sold? I need AD now, not Zen!". <=== This does happen when someone puts up a weird offer to buy AD by accident (possible result of Case 1 or some other mistake like a miscalculation or typo.
AD cannot be transferred between accounts through the Exchange, so there is no way a botter could use the Exchange to transfer Zen/AD to other accounts. You can only transfer AD between characters on the same account through the Exchange - as I mentioned in the method I posted above, which is the Official Method, as it is in the Official Extended FAQ Sticky.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but just honest and frank, so don't take my posts the wrong way. To be honest, there is no semantic difference between the so-called "Official Method" and sharing between characters with the AD, etc. going through the Shared Bank. You can always have any botting checks there if you want to be so wary, but if that were the case, don't you think looking out for account hacks should be more of a priority? After all, even if someone botted and farmed AD, they could also transfer it via the "Official Method" which is no safer. This kind of thing is just like the false sense of security when inexperienced users of Linux think they are safer on it when in truth that is not necessarily true, and in fact the reason there are more Windows infections/hacks is because they are more common. Just because you have better security doesn't mean you are safe. Every system has a loophole. None are perfect. Analyze PGP and you will realize it isn't perfect either. The same concept applies to this. In fact, even more so to this, since semantically (i.e. logically) there is no real difference.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but just honest and frank, so don't take my posts the wrong way. To be honest, there is no semantic difference between the so-called "Official Method" and sharing between characters with the AD, etc. going through the Shared Bank. You can always have any botting checks there if you want to be so wary, but if that were the case, don't you think looking out for account hacks should be more of a priority? After all, even if someone botted and farmed AD, they could also transfer it via the "Official Method" which is no safer. This kind of thing is just like the false sense of security when inexperienced users of Linux think they are safer on it when in truth that is not necessarily true, and in fact the reason there are more Windows infections/hacks is because they are more common. Just because you have better security doesn't mean you are safe. Every system has a loophole. None are perfect. Analyze PGP and you will realize it isn't perfect either. The same concept applies to this. In fact, even more so to this, since semantically (i.e. logically) there is no real difference.
I'm not sure why you're arguing this with me as I never spoke against the idea of AD being in the Shared bank. If you look at my posts on this, you'll see all I did was provide the method for the current way of transferring AD.
It would be nice and convenient if there was a currency tab in the account bank for tradebars and event currencies, imho all currencies should be bind to account.. Tradebars can apparently be transferred in CO via account bank
Id also like to be able to donate ad to guilds like you can in STO, So I can contribute to buying a new tab. If people are worried about that being used to transfer AD just make it like contribution project in sto where it shows everyone who contributed to buying the tab and how much is needed to finish. Though the fact that the Auction house runs on AD means people can use that to transfer ad. with a 10-15% loss of course.
the most elegant way to made ad trading more convenient is just allow people to deposit ad into the Exchange pool a so we don't have to do the withdraw-buy-cancel trick and we don't have to accidently sell your zen or ad.
Cange seals, tokens and tarmalunes to Acount bound, let us use them as one pool. Hell, the whole wealth tab in the inventory should be the same for the account, seriously it s just an inconvinence not to let us use the things that WE gathered or farmed ourselves.
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frozenflame22Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 56
edited May 2014
I agree with most of the people here saying that currency should be shared across all accounts. This makes sense for gold, AD, zen, tarmalune bars, event currencies, and almost everything else. However, I disagree in regards to Sharandar, Dread Ring, and now some of the Icewind Dale currencies. These things relate to individual advancement and should not be account wide. I'm not a PVP player, but I also don't like the idea of glory being shared across the account. I see the seals as a bit of a grey area and I don't have a very strong opinion there.
So many of the things in the currency tab don't feel like currency at all, especially things such as the Sharandar seeds, charms, and blades. I think that the items that are necessary to advance in the end game campaigns should be relabeled as quest items and given their own tab. Additionally other items such as the Dread Ring gauntlets, the Icewind Dale pick axe, Dungeon Keys, Sharandar Lair Keys, and all of the little things you get short term to complete quests (the rod of shattering from Dread Ring for example) should be in this new Quest Item tab so that they don't take up valuable inventory space. With each module we have more and more things competing for space in our bags and so many of them are necessary to quest advancement and therefore cannot be dropped. I don't mind this method of game creation, but to have these things take up inventory space will become more and more problematic as more modules are released.
Please please let us pool resources. Trade bars for instance. Horrible gather rate from lockboxes. We should be able to trade our trade bars. They are paid for. Someone buys the keys to obtain these bars, so why not let them sell them for AD, and let us trade them across
Please please let us pool resources. Trade bars for instance. Horrible gather rate from lockboxes. We should be able to trade our trade bars. They are paid for. Someone buys the keys to obtain these bars, so why not let them sell them for AD, and let us trade them across
EDIT: I was going to use lobi from STO to rebut this argument, however, I was informed that yes, in fact, they WERE made account wide some time last yet, so....
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Well. Just checked, and Trade bars are definitely still character bound. No mailing them, or banking them in shared bank. Still labelled as bound to character...
Well. Just checked, and Trade bars are definitely still character bound. No mailing them, or banking them in shared bank. Still labelled as bound to character...
My statement was intended to compare lobi crystals to trade bars, as they serve the same functions in STO and NW respectively. However, lobis were made accountwide sometime last year, whereas trade bars are still character bound.
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If gold and AD can "easily" be transferred between toons on the same account why not just make gold and AD shared by all toons of that acoount? It'll be so much easier. No transfers required anymore.
If gold and AD can "easily" be transferred between toons on the same account why not just make gold and AD shared by all toons of that acoount? It'll be so much easier. No transfers required anymore.
I'll rather have different "wallets" and a central repository (shared bank) than a huge common pool... one little mistake (a bit of UI lag, or a wrong button pressed), and you burn your whole possessions? No thanks.
My statement was intended to compare lobi crystals to trade bars, as they serve the same functions in STO and NW respectively. However, lobis were made accountwide sometime last year, whereas trade bars are still character bound.
Ah my apologies. I misunderstood. Never played STO so I didn't see the connection .
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I understand why glory cant not be traded, and I agree
Look at all the low level PvP matches, and also... you don't want to see all of newbie lv60 characters to have profound set as they didn't even win a match yet
For AD... ALL I SEE ABOVE IS HOW TO USE OTHER METHODS TO TRANSFER WITHIN ACCOUNT
I just want to know how does it defeat the purpose of against botters?
and why would it be worse for normal users not having a simple easier option to transfer?
those bots would just create more accounts and characters to double the speed
they don't care if it's going to be on the same character or not
they plus, giving them a little bit trouble when transferring is giving all of us trouble transferring
and their farming accounts seriously influence the performance of our only server
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Yup, but I wasn't countering you, I was supporting your actual meaning of sharing AD by a better means, since I figured you meant that from you Trade Bars sentence, among other things.
You forgot:-
1) "Oh no, I accidentally entered it into Sell instead of Buy! ARGGHH!! (Zen and 'potential AD' loss)"
2) "What, it got sold? I need AD now, not Zen!". <=== This does happen when someone puts up a weird offer to buy AD by accident (possible result of Case 1 or some other mistake like a miscalculation or typo.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic here, but just honest and frank, so don't take my posts the wrong way. To be honest, there is no semantic difference between the so-called "Official Method" and sharing between characters with the AD, etc. going through the Shared Bank. You can always have any botting checks there if you want to be so wary, but if that were the case, don't you think looking out for account hacks should be more of a priority? After all, even if someone botted and farmed AD, they could also transfer it via the "Official Method" which is no safer. This kind of thing is just like the false sense of security when inexperienced users of Linux think they are safer on it when in truth that is not necessarily true, and in fact the reason there are more Windows infections/hacks is because they are more common. Just because you have better security doesn't mean you are safe. Every system has a loophole. None are perfect. Analyze PGP and you will realize it isn't perfect either. The same concept applies to this. In fact, even more so to this, since semantically (i.e. logically) there is no real difference.
[ Support Center • Rules & Policies and Guidelines • ARC ToS • Guild Recruitment Guidelines | FR DM Since 1993 ]
It would be nice and convenient if there was a currency tab in the account bank for tradebars and event currencies, imho all currencies should be bind to account.. Tradebars can apparently be transferred in CO via account bank
Id also like to be able to donate ad to guilds like you can in STO, So I can contribute to buying a new tab. If people are worried about that being used to transfer AD just make it like contribution project in sto where it shows everyone who contributed to buying the tab and how much is needed to finish. Though the fact that the Auction house runs on AD means people can use that to transfer ad. with a 10-15% loss of course.
the most elegant way to made ad trading more convenient is just allow people to deposit ad into the Exchange pool a so we don't have to do the withdraw-buy-cancel trick and we don't have to accidently sell your zen or ad.
So many of the things in the currency tab don't feel like currency at all, especially things such as the Sharandar seeds, charms, and blades. I think that the items that are necessary to advance in the end game campaigns should be relabeled as quest items and given their own tab. Additionally other items such as the Dread Ring gauntlets, the Icewind Dale pick axe, Dungeon Keys, Sharandar Lair Keys, and all of the little things you get short term to complete quests (the rod of shattering from Dread Ring for example) should be in this new Quest Item tab so that they don't take up valuable inventory space. With each module we have more and more things competing for space in our bags and so many of them are necessary to quest advancement and therefore cannot be dropped. I don't mind this method of game creation, but to have these things take up inventory space will become more and more problematic as more modules are released.
EDIT: I was going to use lobi from STO to rebut this argument, however, I was informed that yes, in fact, they WERE made account wide some time last yet, so....
Great Weapon Fighter: Because when is today not a good day to die?
PC and PS4 player. Proud Guildmaster for PS4 Team Fencebane. Rank 5 Officer for PC Team Fencebane. Visit us at http://fencebane.shivtr.com
My statement was intended to compare lobi crystals to trade bars, as they serve the same functions in STO and NW respectively. However, lobis were made accountwide sometime last year, whereas trade bars are still character bound.
Great Weapon Fighter: Because when is today not a good day to die?
PC and PS4 player. Proud Guildmaster for PS4 Team Fencebane. Rank 5 Officer for PC Team Fencebane. Visit us at http://fencebane.shivtr.com
I'll rather have different "wallets" and a central repository (shared bank) than a huge common pool... one little mistake (a bit of UI lag, or a wrong button pressed), and you burn your whole possessions? No thanks.
Ah my apologies. I misunderstood. Never played STO so I didn't see the connection