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GWF still OP in PvP?
tonyvincent
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Not to complain, but aren't GWFs still OP in PvP?
Just curious of people's answers.
Whether the GWFs are on my team or not, compared to other classes, some GWFs are unkillable.
I know it depends on the player itself as of placing of stats, PvP strats etc.
But aren't GWFs OP when they in PvP have:
40k+ HP
45% dmg res. + 20% PvP dmg res. = 65% dmg res.
45% deflect chance
1000k regen
1000k life steal
no?
(The GWF with these stats had no rank 10s and 1 legendary artifact, but there are GWFs out there with these stats, fyi)
I am a DC. I looked at some of the PvP sets for the other classes, and the stat bonuses are great. DCs mainly get recovery. I have too much recovery already. It is sad to see that the recovery bonus gives me half a sec. less cooldown on an encounter, while other classes get other stat bonuses. Maybe most DCs like recovery, idk.
Ofc, I think GWFs or their gear should get nerfed. Then again, it may badly affect most casual players playing GWFs. And ofc, if I had a GWF myself, I would not like a nerf.
Well, I originally had only one question.
Do you think GWFs are currently OP in end game PvP?
Just curious of people's answers.
Whether the GWFs are on my team or not, compared to other classes, some GWFs are unkillable.
I know it depends on the player itself as of placing of stats, PvP strats etc.
But aren't GWFs OP when they in PvP have:
40k+ HP
45% dmg res. + 20% PvP dmg res. = 65% dmg res.
45% deflect chance
1000k regen
1000k life steal
no?
(The GWF with these stats had no rank 10s and 1 legendary artifact, but there are GWFs out there with these stats, fyi)
I am a DC. I looked at some of the PvP sets for the other classes, and the stat bonuses are great. DCs mainly get recovery. I have too much recovery already. It is sad to see that the recovery bonus gives me half a sec. less cooldown on an encounter, while other classes get other stat bonuses. Maybe most DCs like recovery, idk.
Ofc, I think GWFs or their gear should get nerfed. Then again, it may badly affect most casual players playing GWFs. And ofc, if I had a GWF myself, I would not like a nerf.
Well, I originally had only one question.
Do you think GWFs are currently OP in end game PvP?
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Tenacity Who? Versus GF Master means nada.
My GWF goes down a lot faster in PVP now. Are they still OP? Yes. Will they crush most CWs? Yes.
Right now our biggest challenges are well-played HRs, GFs, and TRs, who can 1v1 us fairly well with the right build. TRs and HRs can kill us without much difficulty 1v1. GFs can hold a point and keep it ticking as they bounce us around.
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That answer your question?
I assume that post patch I won't be critted for 10k on a BLEED from deep gash, a freaking secondary effect from 1 feat, but then at that point they will be able to get to 50k hp and will be basically unkillable.
Then what makes a TR? With the current shocking it is stupid, period. One crit shocking = auto win. And for a TR it is not that hard to crit.
I dunno how you hit that much LS wihout actually running titan 2 piece or LS on jewelry. And that would not be a ideal item choice for GWF in general. The rest of the stats seem legit and I assume you mean those GWF who wear sent 4/4, in my experience they are are pretty killable, just takes time. The one that is hardest is the sent 4/4 with barkshield, this is almost the best GWF combo in terms of 1 v 1 duel, there are another build that would beat it, but I would like to keep it down here...
Back to your question, GWF are not OP. Not anymore. And that is especially certain in top end PVP, where spike dmg and focus are more significant. But, when doing pug games, that is where GWF still remain absolute OP, my GWF make my enemy scream, they literally yell at chat.
SHHHHHH Don't reveal the secret of the T1 set lol.
2. PvE build destroyer sentinels are like butter. Personal best: 9.5k non-crit hit with Dazing Strike. Yes. Non crit. Against a GWF.
3. Ironically, now GFs and GWFs play an even more important role in PvP, since so many of them have been revealed for what they really are after the pvp patch -- the good ones, despite the nerf, are the ones who know well where they need to be at. Reliable center of the team. The terribad ones, the ones that think they're some kind of TRs, running only back nodes, seeking only 1v1s, avoiding all the fights where the enemy GFs/GWFs are at, tend to make your team lose.
4. The prone spamming is still a load of HAMSTER.When there are like 2~3 GWFs/GFs in the enemy team, doesn't matter if they've been nerfed or not. Prone. Prone. Prone. Prone. Prone. Prone. Prone. One of your team dead. After 10~15 secs, another set of prone, prone, prone, prone, prone, and another one of your team dead.
5. So no, GWFs are not OP, but they still have some OP elements left. After Tenacity, the GWFs(and GFs) should be renamed to "Control Fighters", since they are the most powerful CC classes in the game currently.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
I agree, I think they really should look at prone duration in pvp. Tenacity should have a much higher effect on prones.
Without these terrible long prones, GWFs and GFs are pretty much on par with TRs and HRs, making fights much more interesting and fun.
Point 4 is such a terrible example, of course multiple (coordinated) GWF's or GF's will prone you to death, just like multiple (coordinated) HR's will aim shot you or fox shift you to death, or a group of TR's will PoB/DF you to death and worse with their dailies up, I would prefer being hit by multiple GF and GWF's dailies over multiple SE's anytime .
You would probably die faster to the coordinated HR's and TR's than the GWF's, GF's too .
So, pay2win? ofc, some skill is required too, but those perfect enchants and artifacts do make a difference.
I just raised the initial question, because it seems GWFs are able to get defensive stats from gear, but at the same time get prones and good dps output. (Ye, I could just reroll, but nah. I can't play 24/7, and just the thought of doing all the boons makes me dizzy)
And yes, The TR's Shocking is ridiculous. Do a crit un-deflected hit from shocking with a nice touch of lashing blade and you are either dead or on the verge to die. At least for squishies. Did I forget that by the push of a button they can go invis 90% of the time? (Ye, they are still targetable, I know..)
Not trying to flame here.
EDIT: Can you even dodge shocking? So skill is ruled out (kinda?)
To answer, yes gwf's are hard to deal with, but a coordinated effort can take down one. Played as my iv gwf in pug pvp yesterday, and was getting 3v1 and 4v1 situations where i could not go unstoppable fast enough to recover from their prone/bursting outputs. But, ill tell you what. whether in gg pvp or normal pvp, a gwf can be ganged up on and killed. but ive seen permastealth tr's getting attacked by a dozen players, only to get away scott free with no deaths. Tell me which one's the more OP class.
Ye, I think both GWFs and TRs are OP. The difference also lies on the person behind the character,
but I really don't like the "I win button". It reminds me of traditional MMO where you get hit anyways. NWO is an Action MMO, no?
Yes, I can kill most GWFs as a DC (ok, an average GWF, no point of going over the top). Yes, got to have skill (not talking about SE or stealth), anticipating prones and dodge etc. But, can you kill a GWF who face tank the whole other team while his/her team observes and who does not loose 15% HP and at the same time kill them? Ofc, it depends how badly geared or how new the enemy team is to PvP.
But I do agree that end game geared or BIS, Sent GWF's can most likely solo 2 equally geared players of any other class.
Luckily those GWF's are few and far between outside of premades.
SE, imo, needs looked at b4 GWF's. An ability that can kill you just about every time once you hit 50% is horribly balanced. No other ability in the game hits that hard in PvP and throw in that the ability belongs to a class that can stealth 90% of the time should make it the number 1 balance issue, imo.
Hunters also are OP but i here they are gonna be nerfed.
Its not of this subject but i see some mention DC here in PvP they should get points for heals as like you all should know there not really killers they also should get better armor as they get ganked in pvp more than any other class.
But yep nerf that GWF, nerf there speed its daft nerf there power its daft and nerf there defense. You get more than 1 gwf on a side and 99% of the time that team wins end of and thats an observation from playing many games in pvp.
So L2P before crying on the forums .
As a person in a pvp guild I can tell you that going into a premade against another pvp guild, with more than 2 GWF's is a bad idea, a rainbow comp, or a comp with more range dps can and will beat you, in an ideal comp there is only one GWF now, and he holds mid ...
Those are the GWFs I can kill, but I am ofc talking about the geared out GWFs.
Ofc, stacking GWFs in your premade team when going against another premade team (assuming people know how to "play") is not wise imo.
The reason why is that the casters will be more likely to deal with the GWFs.
Now, this is premade. I am mainly talking about pug fights, which I think makes up for the major fights in PvP.
I am realizing more and more that the distance between an under geared "unskilled" GWF and a geared out skilled GWF at the same level (lvl 60) is too huge. Still, I do not think the solution lies by bringing in "push 2 win" buttons (as SE for TRs).
Or am I wrong?
Is it a balance issue that the playerbase usually can see, but not the devs?
(No flaming, as the devs needs to do their job on the game, but I just hope the devs listen to the exp. players and not to the whiners or the trolls)
No not just a "good" GWF, saying "good GWF's" encompasses even the best ones ...
Just because you can't deal with "good" BiS GWF's doesn't mean they are op, and no one can beat them; it just means YOU can't, these are the reasons why ;
a)you are under geared
b)you're not built right for pvp
c)you lack in skill (skill also reflects on how you have built and equipped yourself, along with the obvious)
Take your pick, in most cases it is a combination of a, b and c
Most people want the best of both worlds, they want to top the damage charts in PVE and be awesome in PVP, let me break it to you, you can't be good at both, if you try you will be mediocre at both it is as simple as that, that said a character built for PVE suffers more in PVP than a character built for PVP in PVE .
Serious PVP'ers have built a character from the ground up with pvp in mind, they are streamlined and optimized to kill other players, and have the best survivability possible (high con), it is completely normal and fair for them to beat a jack of all trades type character .