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lady808
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I had heard about groups/guilds doing this, but had never experienced it until recently.
Basically, I did a dungeon run and we had leavers. We were doing fine and just kept going figuring the que would fill in the spots. We got near the end and then got "hijacked".
What happened during the majority of the run was this... Occasionally we'd get people "popping" into the group and then leaving. I noticed that the individuals were the same ones. ie. I'd see the same fighter, cleric, and caster pop in and out again. Then towards the end, right before the end boss, they popped back in again and someone initiated a vote to start booting people in the original group. What basically happened was that they booted the original group, and filled all the slots with their own people.
Unfortunately, due to the forum rules, I can't point out the guild/people that did this, but they ARE out there. So just as a warning to people doing dungeon runs. If you see someone pop into the group and then a vote to start kicking people is initiated, do NOT hit "Yes". This is, most likely, an attempt to hijack your dungeon run. EVEN if the person that's voted is the weakest player in the group, ie. the fighter that doesn't know his shield from his behind, do NOT hit "Yes".
Just in case you're wondering... Yes, it WAS a particular guild because all the people that replaced us in that instance were all in the same guild. That and I started to get nasty/insulting /tells from their guildies that weren't in the instance after I sent a /tell to one of the ones that was in the instance.
Too bad there isn't a way for Cryptic to make it so that people just joining a group via the que, in mid-run, can't initiate a vote to kick. Also, it'd help if the vote to kick didn't just require 1 or 2 votes to boot. It would be better if it required a unanimous vote.
Basically, I did a dungeon run and we had leavers. We were doing fine and just kept going figuring the que would fill in the spots. We got near the end and then got "hijacked".
What happened during the majority of the run was this... Occasionally we'd get people "popping" into the group and then leaving. I noticed that the individuals were the same ones. ie. I'd see the same fighter, cleric, and caster pop in and out again. Then towards the end, right before the end boss, they popped back in again and someone initiated a vote to start booting people in the original group. What basically happened was that they booted the original group, and filled all the slots with their own people.
Unfortunately, due to the forum rules, I can't point out the guild/people that did this, but they ARE out there. So just as a warning to people doing dungeon runs. If you see someone pop into the group and then a vote to start kicking people is initiated, do NOT hit "Yes". This is, most likely, an attempt to hijack your dungeon run. EVEN if the person that's voted is the weakest player in the group, ie. the fighter that doesn't know his shield from his behind, do NOT hit "Yes".
Just in case you're wondering... Yes, it WAS a particular guild because all the people that replaced us in that instance were all in the same guild. That and I started to get nasty/insulting /tells from their guildies that weren't in the instance after I sent a /tell to one of the ones that was in the instance.
Too bad there isn't a way for Cryptic to make it so that people just joining a group via the que, in mid-run, can't initiate a vote to kick. Also, it'd help if the vote to kick didn't just require 1 or 2 votes to boot. It would be better if it required a unanimous vote.
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I'd like to shameless plug the NW_Legit_Community channel, as I haven't had that experience with those folks. In general, if I see more than 2 people from the same guild in a PUG, I become very wary of things...
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Even if you enter with legit ppl and they have to leave or get disconnected it's not stoping "hijackers" from joining or is the legit community endowed with greater power?
Once you get into a group, you just have to start getting people kicked while the rest of your cohorts queue for that dungeon, until you're all together, then you profit.
It's pretty disguising behavior.
Suggestion: a toggle for queue replacement i case a slot gets free b/c someone left/dc
"Do you allow replacements?" "Never/Always/Only from Guild of Party leader"'
So if people are reported for hijacking runs like this action will definitely be taken against them now? this kind of behavior is becoming a real issue , something as simple as making it impossible for a person to start a kick vote more than once per party and then having a cooldown before anybody else can be kicked from a group so one person after another can't be kicked would be a start in fixing this.
If you are able to fully document it, via screenshots and/or video, our Support Team will take a look at the evidence and take the appropriate action.
Can you describe the information that is needed in more detail?
I mean, I have a lot of screenshots, but what would make an "official" of PWE act upon? Could you give examples which information is essential?
How do you imagine when I shall start acquiring screenshots or gathering information?
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Not only is group hijacking an issue, I've also been booted 3 secs after queing into a DD group.
That's because the group is waiting for a known replacement (friend, guildie, whatever) and you were not them. This will not stop until people can actually invite others into their instance groups properly, like in other MMOs.
This is not a good reason, because they can already do what you suggest. It is called building a team THEN joining the dungeon queue.
My son and I joined one, and he was kicked as soon as it started. So I left also. He was mad enough that he has not played the game since, and assumed it was because he was playing an HR.
This really is rude behavior, and it it continues it will give the community as a whole a bad name.
Yes exactly. If your guildie can't join you and you don't want to wait for him then kicking other players and causing them to lose their chance at DD is griefing. And it will cause many people to leave the game in disgust - a fact that Cryptic should take not of.
Cryptic should bans start handling out bans for this ESPECIALLY if it is done by guilds.
Yes, and then the group's CW disconnects and needs to be replaced. They ask in /guild, get a decent replacement. They then get them to queue until they get in.
I was not actually soliciting your opinion, or indeed your approval. You can fume and rant if you choose; I was merely explaining what was going on, as you don't appear to understand it.
It is a serious omission in the game, which probably should be addressed as it causes obvious problems. It passeth all understanding how the game got out of beta without this being solved. This particular problem isn't rocket surgery to resolve, as players of other MMOs will have noticed. However, pulling angryface and demanding the summary punishment of players trying to get sane outcomes out of a pathological system resembles Victorian penal policy rather than an honest attempt to address the problem.
I however do agree that there needs to be a way to invite specific people to a group if need be.
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Here here... Completely agree.
Having seen some of this myself, I honestly believe the only real answer is to disable team vote kick at the last boss altogether. All too often do I see such selfish actions taking place in the name of speed & greed, yet I PUG outside of NW_Legit or Guild only 1-2 times a week. So to me, this is a rather prevalent condition.
Actually the real problem is the content is much harder for the "Gearscore" it is rated at and people who usually just make the rating will hinder or be carried. In a pug situation where you have up to 5 strangers, yeah people will start kicking because of this.
On one hand you have a prize at the end and on the other you have content that allows players into it that really shouldn't be there in a pug situation. GS varies from class to class too.
The queue system needs many improvements to it.
The ability to invite a player. Yeah that only makes this issue worse, but at the same time there are many groups that sit in a dungeon because there is no tank in queue. As we all know that is the least needed or desired class in the game right now. At least don't let my queue pop until there is a full group to enter a dungeon?
I can go on,but don't want to highjack this thread to much sorry....
Get a group together and start your own instance, if you can't then tough you have no right to ruin someone else gaming experience. Tough if you think these people are ruining your game experience, they are learning to play and this not selfish and nasty like you kicking them so you can get an easy loot or your friends in the dungeon.
If your friends need you in the dungeon to help then they can't be that good can they?
Sure if you help a failed group out, maybe they should pass on the boss drop so you at least get something for helping them and they still get their DD chest, but it doesn't give you the right to just kick them out. Even if you think they are selfish for sticking around, perhaps they are just determined and not quitters and want to learn.
This is a group game and you have to be considerate to other players not just yourself and your guild. After all the game is free to play and this kind of behaviour put lots of people off playing and could lower the population and result in the game's early demise.
THINK ABOUT THAT.
There is nothing for them to think about. There is no current consequence to their selfish actions. Selfish is selfish. They care not about the impact to other people, only themselves and the easiest way to gain access to things they want. The best thing to do is complain by submitting a ticket/report. Complain loud. Complain often, and with as much useful information as you can. Names, guilds, screenshots etc.
I dislike speed runs. I am in the dungeon for the fun, not the profit. I do stop to gather the skill nodes, open the chests, hit the side rooms, and pick up the loot. Unlike others I have not run the same dungeon 30 times over and over again. I have run all of the dungeons, except for one, but none of them more than 5 times. Eventually I will have done them perhaps a dozen or more times, but until then I will continue to play my way.
To defenders of Hijacking. How dare you say that because I like to take my time, I am ruining your experience. I guess my idea of a pleasant experience matters little to you and your greed. Yes, I have been in a dungeon for three hours, and will do so again. Why, because we were learning the dungeon and the boss fights. Unlike most, we would actually stop after a wipe and discuss things, and the best way to move forward. Form your own group of greed and let the rest of us have fun. Fortunately I have not yet run across your ilk, and certainly hope not to. However if for some reason one of my team is unlucky and has real life interfere with his run, why should you be able to come and dictate your terms to us?
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To be fair, I have been in groups that were formed through the Looking For Group channel and ran a dungeon. This party then seems okay until you arrive at one of the bosses. At this point either the party overall is weaker than anticipated or there are one or two members that may appear good enough via gear score but in reality they are very poor or inexperienced players (like the DC we had in Frozen Heart that died first every time against Hrimnir and even had Soothe, a broken and useless class feature, slotted) and they tank it for everyone else. At this point one or more players quit because you have spent over an hour in the dungeon. The next step is either hope someone decent is waiting in the queue or the remaining party members start asking friends or guildies to help out. I myself have done this.