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I think TR need rebalancing hotfix in PvP.
freethinker1976
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I've played pretty much every mmorpg under the sun and I've never seen such a ridiculous class. Never seen a class designed so that it has pretty much a guaranteed kill on anyone except a tank. And they can do it very easy and with practically no setup or effort. And if that isn't enough they can seemingly build to have permanent stealth and are also able to do insane RANGED damage with Impact shot who seem to do all kind of weird tings.
It's almost shocking how easy the class is to play. With 28k HP I've literally been "two shot".
It's almost shocking how easy the class is to play. With 28k HP I've literally been "two shot".
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3 Cloud's of steel to get rid of your barkshield, 4 impact shots. Bye bye
Easily dodge LB? what is your dodging rate for LB? do your play a cw? No cw i know can claim a dodge rate more than 25% against a TR in stealth, and I play with the best cw around.
The thing about TR is that they can stealth while moving and atk, there fore ur arguement is invalid. And stacking HP only helps u in a pure 1 v 1 case, in real life u never be able to maintain high HP unless u sit in side a DC circle, in that case u will not die easily no matter what.
Can u claim a win rate higher than 50% against the good TRs as a CW( the only squishy class really, DC go tanky anyway, if u are TR u have a kite that can get away from rogue) No one I know does, it is more like 15% max, and I play with the best cw.
The truth is most good TRs normaly use Shadow Strike/ItC/Impact Shot and put Lashing Blade only when they fell the enemy is squishy and bad geared...so go gear up ppl
The biggest imbalance with TRs is Impact Shot's hidden root effect, which is an acknowledged issue. I haven't tried it in PvP on Preview, so I don't know if they successfully addressed it when they patched the power in mid November.
Shocking Execution is also a common gripe, and I think that its cheese factor could afford to be taken down a tad, but it's also an important stalemate breaker (e.g. one of the few hard counters to a Sentinel build's self-sustain).
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do not forget it is harder to kill then gwf or gf since it have full imune with use of just one encounter ITC and then can just stealth
This is how it should work:
- it should be mandatory in the sense that without Resilience gear, anybody, including most tanky builds, would get 1-2 shotted in the arena. How much Resi one would need? Now, that's an issue for theorycrafting, after implementation, and one should be able to make certain compromises (i.e. after you become very skilled at avoidance, you can equip less and less Resi gear and switch to PvE high damage pieces)
- it should (partially) replace stats such as crit/power/recovery/ArP. This way the devs would be able to control EXACTLY how much the usual player can bring to the table in PvP and balance accordingly.
What would be the results?
- Certain builds such as sents would have their tankiness reduced considerably, remember, it would be Resilience that would make you take less player damage, not defense and deflect.
- Certain builds would have their burst decreased considerably, such as TRs, GFs and CWs. In my opinion there's no skill in locking up a person in choke, following up with a 8k chill strike, debuffing, and ending with a 16K Icy Rays crit that lets them barely alive/dead. Such combos are present for a few classes, all at the same lameness level.
- certain builds would have increased PvP survivability and equal chances to deal with other classes... yup, I'm thinking of CWs primarily
Alternatively, they should offer escape/immunity mechanisms for all classes to make this fair. DCs and CWs are mostly sitting ducks, and GF block is not good enough compared to ITC/Unstoppable.
TR is the only class that can 1 vs 1 a sentinel and actually kill it.
If you nerf TRs, sentinels will get a huge advantage as it would take 2 people to kill them.
In premade PvP, every class has its role...every class is important. So i suggest you to learn the game further before suggesting a nerf to a specific class because of a failure that was probably because of you, not the TRs.
You can;t just go in PvP, with your PvE 12k GS setup...and expect to do good.
If sentinel is to good in PvP, why not nerfing PvP aspects of him?
Plus i don't like the fact that people log off if they don't have a good team on there side. The pvp system needs to do a better job at matching the gear score of players some how. I mean once you get to level 60 the level restrictions don't apply anymore, but even then you still have a wide gap in power (gear score), cause the higher leveled people near the level limit have much better gear then the ones that just pass the level required to play in the next tear.
Classes in PVE complement each other but within the PVP is totally the opposite.
Possible solution
Remembering that the PVP in Neverwinter is totally unbalanced and if someone will say it is not is because it has a very strong character "$" and fight against weak characters.
And the PVP system in Neverwinter "Catch The Flag"(tower) makes clear who has preferably winning battles (Mounts Zen):rolleyes:.
Why RaiderZ had her arrested development because I had a PVP/PVE balanced which gave chance to all and not just some "$".
Because the PvP system in this game, while promising, it's also dumb and lacks matchmaking, and ultrageared PvP-only people end up against squishy 10K GS newbies. Class balance is nonexistent as well given the current system. There's some balance only in ultrahighlevel PvP when all have similar gear and specced solely for PvP and all know what to do.
Given the fact that there isn't any matchmaking and it is unrealistic to demand from the usual player to spec for PvP alone when PvE is 90% of this game, you can see why there is and will be QQ. Dunno why this is hard to understand.
Also some classes underperform in PvP regardless of gear or spec or skills. There is a reason why some people insist on rainbow comps, because nobody wants to fight a 2 sent/GF/TR/DC comp while you have 2xCW for example, you will always lose (given similarly geared/skilled people).
Only pugs use lashing blade, not the real good TR's, because its a very bad encounter with a huge cooldown and extremly easy to dodge, mainly if you are a cw.
A tr cant lashing blade me on a 1vs1 fight, you have to be really stupid to get hited by it.
The only thing that is not balanced on pvp right now is the Roar on GWF's.
If you are having problems and dying to TR's with 1-2 shot, sorry to let you know, but the problem here is you, not the class. Go get some skills and some gears.
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If you have to have 10M AD worth of gear to be worth anything ("gear up") then "learning to play" is likely not the problem.
Of course complaints about TR being the most ridiculous class in any MMO are also blown way out of proportion.
- JailBreak (in development)
Are you kidding? Lashing Blade is pretty tough to dodge because *you don't know where it's coming from*.
I love it how everyone who doesn't play at the UBER ELITE level is now somehow "stupid".
And yes there are perma-stealth tene rogues out there whose SOLE PURPOSE is to run around and 1-2 shot kill people.
I swear. Some people seem to have completely forgotten what it's like to level up. They seem to have been born at Level 60 with 14k GS gear.
- JailBreak (in development)
Now, if you never see the TR turn stealth in the first place, then you probably will not even see the lashing blade coming. Its all about trying to pay attention and turning on your sounds to hear the stealth activate.
rubber banding FTW.. u wont ever beat someone with a better connection. Have u seen a GWF trying to land his skills if he has a worse connection than u? is impossible for him.. on the other side if he has a better ping he;ll crush u so bad, u wont even see the animations. Same for all classes, this is why some dodge all your LB and u cant dodge any. For that reason some TR's seem to be always in a form of immunity or always in stealth.
I don't have any since that is one of the biggest p2(insert word here) items in the game.
18k impact shots 30k + lashing blades....not all that is skill...just say'n.
The true problem with TRs is that they can attack from stealth without being revealed (idiotic concept), they get an extended immunity they can use after they leave stealth, and a combination of pro damage and good escapes and CC. Impact Shot is again very high damage and unlike LB, there's little to no chance in dealing with that damage other than mitigation/large HP pool, dodging will rubberband you back in place.
It's enough to see how a TR plays against a CW, high level match or no, to understand how things are. As a CW, you have to cripple your abilities and use AoEs only to unstealth the TR. Even if the CW is very good, a decent to good TR will just toy with him, while the CW will blindly dodge and run around. All of this "dance" is hugely moronic from a wizard's perspective, and I can understand why TRs posting here are so adamant that the class is perfectly balanced and all the complaints are just "QQ" and "l2p" issues. It is true, some indeed are, but not all.
Also nerfs to the TR are not the solution. The other classes must be brought up to par for PvP performance, i.e. each class should have their immunities and escapes and decent survivability.
Even when I hear the stealth activate, I see the TR go into stealth, and I know he's coming right at me... then what? Is he going to go to my left? my right? run behind me? run right at me? I have no idea. That is why LB is so hard to dodge.
The TRs yell "QQ" and "l2p" because they *know* their class is overpowered and they don't want to see it nerfed such that it will end up spoiling their fun.
Not to count the times they come from above(good TR) or they go behind a wall/pillar to activate stealth before they reach you. Smoke + LB + Daily/IS = dead of most classes. As tank i was 2 shoot. Noone can avoid that (stealthed TR come - smoke LB SE = dead)...
@pers3phone: GF and escape? What? How will a GF escape?!
Well it's understandable. What else can one expect? In all these forums, I know a singular case when a person lobbied for something that would be detrimental to himself just because it was the right thing to do, ayroux vs tenes.
I'd say all the posts here that are made by either TR or their victims (mostly the CWs) are pretty much invalid. Each class wants to perform well with least amount of effort.
For things to work properly, the devs should play their own game at high level, without getting any emotional attachments such as guilds etc., and decide for themselves what is OP and what not with a cool head.
@ladysilvya:
the main problem with tr is that the can attack while maintaining stealth and do a lot of dmg even from range, i dont even want to imagine how it will be to play vs geared ranged whisperknifes, since they can be in stealth 100% of the time and dont have to come in lantern range