@gctrl - I agree with you 100%. 1 of each class best shows team synergy. Of course you could test synergy with same combo brackets as well. SO....team brackets for those make ups could test the skill two matching teams. Of course this would be way over board for the time allotted.
@gctrl - I agree with you 100%. 1 of each class best shows team synergy. Of course you could test synergy with same combo brackets as well. SO....team brackets for those make ups could test the skill two matching teams. Of course this would be way over board for the time allotted.
But why MUST the teams have exact same comp? Why take the strategy of defining the most powerful combo (with a max of 2 of a class of course) out of the mix? Unless your guild only has 1 great player of each class, in which case you are more than welcome to use the rainbow comp, it's a great comp even against different comps.
On the last preview tourney the teams we're supposed to be rainbow but we ended up getting matched with 2 GWF, 2 TR, DC team. The match took 65 minutes but in the end we still came out on top with rainbow. I think that's much more of challenge, especially if you are in favor of running a rainbow comp. If you're rainbow can beat non rainbow that's a true showing that you have the best team around. IMO of course.
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I think I can safely say I speak for the entire mod team when I say that having to say this in every PVP competition thread is getting old: Please leave the trash talk and accusations in game. Don't drag it onto the forums.
Reporting or complaining about people on the forums does no good--and thus creates needless flame wars--as it does not get to the people who can investigate and act on those reports and complaints: the GM team.
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Since some players/guilds have all 10s and perfects it cant be a fair tournament. For ranking the best team all teams must play with equal chance were gear dont give an advantage. To do this all teams should have PVP gear with like rank 5s and lessers enchantments. Then you can rank the best team based on skill and teamplay.
Since some players/guilds have all 10s and perfects it cant be a fair tournament. For ranking the best team all teams must play with equal chance were gear dont give an advantage. To do this all teams should have PVP gear with like rank 5s and lessers enchantments. Then you can rank the best team based on skill and teamplay.
I would enjoy a low level gear tournament like you're talking about, or a no tene tourney even, those could both be a lot of fun.
But you have to realize that gear is part of the equation. If gear didn't matter to PvP why would anyone buy zen? A lot of people from my guild, and I know many other guilds as well, have supported the game quite a bit by buying zen to achieve a perfect enchant or Tene's.
While some of you may scoff at that and say something to the effect of "P2W", that is how this game is supported and how new content continues to come out.
So again a low gear or no tene tournament could definitely be something that we set up in the future, but for a tournament that ranks guilds we want everyone in their best.
Not to mention a lot of people would have to spend an arm and a leg just to remove their already too strong enchants for a low level tournament. Perhaps if we made it blue's only, so everyone could buy a new set of gear for really cheap.
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We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
We shouldn't have to jump through 20hoops to get ppl matched up. This us about your guilds a team. Your gear. Skill. Team comp choosing. And communication will be tested. All of it together makes your team. Adding parameters makes things boring and shows a fake result.
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Well Im just saying, if you want a rank based on skill and teamplay, you dont want people that pay or in other ways get 10s and perfects and win because of the advantage they may have. That would just a very pointless ranking worth nothing.
You can ofc have tournament with gear for fun. But ranking needs to be fair to be able to measure skill/teamplay.
PVP gear is easy to get in a week or two. Rank 5 enchants and lesser is also easy to get. And then you go with green pants/shirt and blue rings/belt/neck. All easy to get.
Edit: Getting good gear isnt a skill you want to rank. If you have money or other ways to get the best gear you have an advantage and THAT will give fake results.
I might have been mistaken. I thought gear was part of the game. But we can easily do this in test server. But then its 2 matches at a time. Most will be 30min-1hr long. So with a lot of aplicants GG Saturday lmao.
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FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited October 2013
The idea of making everyone in a tournament use the basic PvP equipment for their class is pretty amusing. But it's an advantage for some builds and a huge disadvantage for others.
Well Im just saying, if you want a rank based on skill and teamplay, you dont want people that pay or in other ways get 10s and perfects and win because of the advantage they may have. That would just a very pointless ranking worth nothing.
You can ofc have tournament with gear for fun. But ranking needs to be fair to be able to measure skill/teamplay.
PVP gear is easy to get in a week or two. Rank 5 enchants and lesser is also easy to get. And then you go with green pants/shirt and blue rings/belt/neck. All easy to get.
Edit: Getting good gear isnt a skill you want to rank. If you have money or other ways to get the best gear you have an advantage and THAT will give fake results.
Most or all of the top PvP guilds have an A team with greaters/perfects and R8+ or Tene's. The difference between greater and perfect or R8 and R9 is very little and won't have much of an effect on results.
If you are in a smaller guild you are still more than welcome to participate. IMO skill and strategy account for a lot more than gear, and you very well could rank pretty high with R7's and normal-greater enchants if you've got the strategy down. Rank 1 is not the only rank in this tourney, acheiving top 5 or even top 10 (especially with lesser gear) is certainly an accomplishment.
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We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
An only blue gear/low level enchantment tournament would be hilariously fun. I don't think it would necessarily determine full skill level because some builds wouldn't work well with it and it eliminates a large part of the meta-game. It would also play entirely different, so some skills between max level play and low level would not necessarily be the same. That being said, it would highlight players that play well and teamplay.
I would think some blues that are expensive because of their use in high level play would probably have to be outlawed, and to keep costs down you would probably need to go with gemless shirts/pants. What would be the limit on enchants as well? Rank 4s to keep costs really low or go rank 5s/6s which still isn't too expensive? No Weapon/Armor enchants or lessers allowed which would raise costs quite a bit? It is a fun idea.
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The idea of making everyone in a tournament use the basic PvP equipment for their class is pretty amusing. But it's an advantage for some builds and a huge disadvantage for others.
Yeah I think a tournament with only blue gear would be interesting lol. And really cheap to gear your character up in blue's and R5's with no armor/weapon enchants.
I will look into putting that together in the near future
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We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
i think blue gears no enchantments would be a fun thing to watch no doubt lol
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited October 2013
Only blue gear would be a lot more interesting, since there's flexibility to that. Not that I PvP very often (<3 except when my guildies drag me into it ), or have all my epics already or anything like that, so I'm not much of one to talk. But I am overall pleased with the performance of my Destroyer-spec GWF in a regen outfit for playing solo, and a crit/arpen outfit for grouping. Don't knock the blues!
Only blue gear would be a lot more interesting, since there's flexibility to that. Not that I PvP very often (<3 except when my guildies drag me into it ), or have all my epics already or anything like that, so I'm not much of one to talk. But I am overall pleased with the performance of my Destroyer-spec GWF in a regen outfit for playing solo, and a crit/arpen outfit for grouping. Don't knock the blues!
nice a lot people say gwf destroyer is useless for pvp. i am a sentinel myself, but I am making a new experiment for destroyer in a new race. if my theories are right, it will work pretty good.
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shenenehMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 6Arc User
edited October 2013
Not nothing for nothing, but it's well been established what the guild rankings are at unofficially. Because there is no official guild ranking in game. So what really is going on here is another guild tourney for second place. You must have alot of time to come up with this grand ingenious idea. Gratz.
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shenenehMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 6Arc User
edited October 2013
I vote for guild picnics to showcase top guild fashion gear and be ranked accordingly.
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tang56Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
nice a lot people say gwf destroyer is useless for pvp. i am a sentinel myself, but I am making a new experiment for destroyer in a new race. if my theories are right, it will work pretty good.
I have no idea how my build holds up against a more experienced team, but I'm just in it for fun with buddies, win or lose. Good luck with yours.
Post 5 aside, any tiny new guild presuming to host an authoritative PvP ranking tournament for the entire game isn't going to come off as sounding credible, especially when they make an audacious claim like ...
Post 5 aside, any tiny new guild presuming to host an authoritative PvP ranking tournament for the entire game isn't going to come off as sounding credible, especially when they make an audacious claim like ...
The PvP community knows who the top guilds are.
Ok come on now. Yes we are a new guild, but that doesn't mean we are new players. I have been playing since 2nd week of open beta and so have a lot of our other members. We all belonged to PvP guilds in the past and we are not claiming to be the authority on PvP.
That quote was in an effort to get signups. What we know is that Lemonade won the last PTR tourney, so congrats to them, they are currently ranked #1.
But quite a lot has happened since then. Now all guilds are on the same server, there are lots of people who've never gotten on the PTR but that PvP regularly on the live server. This is not some huge competition to be the end all be all ranking of every guild.
This is to see who places where in the community as of right now, and then that gives all the guilds something to work for. Every time we do this guilds that may have placed 6th or 7th before will have time to gear up, change strategy, practice, and do much better the next time. This is an attempt to bring all the guilds that love PvP together to have enjoyable matches with each other.
Most of the people posting here can agree that fighting a premade in a tough match is much more fun than constantly just Q'ing and hoping to hit a premade.
Everyone asked for ranking, but if the consensus now is that no one wants to do that then fine. If no one signs up then I will just put together an all blue's pvp tourney. Everyone seemed happy with that
Edit: Also I stated that all ranking will be completely transparent, all my methods etc. will be on the table and up for discussion. We can even have a "council" of GM's that votes if that's the way we want to go. I'm obviously not trying to boost my guild by some hidden ranking system. TBH I was just going to have everyone play everyone. So if tourney only had 3 signups - LS, EoA, TSB (used those b/c they have easy acronyms lol) and LS beats EoA and TSB but TSB beats EoA then -
Rank 1: LS Rank 2: TSB Rank 3: EoA
I'm not going to do some super technical calculation or anything.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited October 2013
I'm going to save y'all some trouble.
Ranking Guilds:
1. Lemonade Stand
2. The Enemy Team
3.
Rank the rest however you like. We at EoA don't care in the slightest. We like good matches with hard fighting and close scores. Put our guild at the bottom of the list if you like. The end result of these threads and competitions are just awful accusations, personal attacks and guild flaming. I read this thread before the mods cleaned it up and it just about turned my stomach.
If you PvP a lot, it will be evident who the best guilds are.
Tournaments are fun, but people are often too incompetent for them to actually end up working well, especially if the purpose is for rankings.
- First 2 spots: Guilds with greater tenebrous and perfect enchants (LS and ET). If both teams have equal gear then it will be determined by skill.
- All other spots will be determined by skill and slightly less by gear.
Given that gear does play such a huge part in this game, there really can be no objective determination of who is actually "better". And honestly, even if this were to be played on the test server and people were able to equip the greater tenes and perfects, they would still be at a disadvantage b/c it does take a bit of time to learn how to play with these items (getting a feel for the tene cooldowns for bursting people, and learning what your limits are with regards to the armor enchants).
That all being said, I would be most interested in seeing who the best guilds are from third place on down. Those will be the most interesting fights IMO.
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edited October 2013
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hexanna22Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 204Bounty Hunter
edited October 2013
I pvp a lot, and I know who fields the best teams. I personally don't feel that I need a Tourney to know that Lemonande Stand will beat everyone, or even who the other tough guilds are.
However, I also think that there are many ways to be #1 in pvp. Sure, winning is one, but to me, nothing beats a strong pvp community that helps each other out. I can also usually pvp with all guildies anytime day or night if I want to, and have A LOT OF FUN....I see other people in self proclaimed best pvp guilds, having to solo que all the time, and even hear them complaining about it.
Also, I know who is the nicest. I had a poor DC in a one person guild, that was getting beat on in GG, and Nano from LS told me to follow him, and proceeded to protect me from 10 players at a time, it was crazy, he has done this more than once, as have other LS that I cant remember the names of right now.
So along with the above poster, I really could care less who is even considered the best, it's all pixels that don't translate to into real life solutions.
I pvp a lot, and I know who fields the best teams. I personally don't feel that I need a Tourney to know that Lemonande Stand will beat everyone, or even who the other tough guilds are.
However, I also think that there are many ways to be #1 in pvp. Sure, winning is one, but to me, nothing beats a strong pvp community that helps each other out. I can also usually pvp with all guildies anytime day or night if I want to, and have A LOT OF FUN....I see other people in self proclaimed best pvp guilds, having to solo que all the time, and even hear them complaining about it.
Also, I know who is the nicest. I had a poor DC in a one person guild, that was getting beat on in GG, and Nano from LS told me to follow him, and proceeded to protect me from 10 players at a time, it was crazy, he has done this more than once, as have other LS that I cant remember the names of right now.
So along with the above poster, I really could care less who is even considered the best, it's all pixels that don't translate to into real life solutions.
I agree with every word.
Honestly, i would rather more an official thing come up, but if my guild or other guild organize something I would be glad to participate.
I also agree with you there are many ways to "rank" a pvp guild.
its not only about always win, but also have many good teams, compositions, etc.
i believe there are some who are ranked 1 in some things like some guilds that only like pvp with "rainbown" comp, but then others do best at free and rank 1 style like in beholder , a server that never had a "rule" like "rainbow" composition, which for some players like me that played many mmos makes no sense at all restric teams to play only one class each.
then there are other guilds that may not have the best "single" team, but have many good teams to put together (these guilds probably going to kick *** when the game bring something guild massive x guild massive).
so yeah, I agree. there are many ways and different ways to rank pvp guilds.
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But why MUST the teams have exact same comp? Why take the strategy of defining the most powerful combo (with a max of 2 of a class of course) out of the mix? Unless your guild only has 1 great player of each class, in which case you are more than welcome to use the rainbow comp, it's a great comp even against different comps.
On the last preview tourney the teams we're supposed to be rainbow but we ended up getting matched with 2 GWF, 2 TR, DC team. The match took 65 minutes but in the end we still came out on top with rainbow. I think that's much more of challenge, especially if you are in favor of running a rainbow comp. If you're rainbow can beat non rainbow that's a true showing that you have the best team around. IMO of course.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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I just want to set up a ranking ladder for top PvP guilds since the game does not have one.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Since some players/guilds have all 10s and perfects it cant be a fair tournament. For ranking the best team all teams must play with equal chance were gear dont give an advantage. To do this all teams should have PVP gear with like rank 5s and lessers enchantments. Then you can rank the best team based on skill and teamplay.
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I would enjoy a low level gear tournament like you're talking about, or a no tene tourney even, those could both be a lot of fun.
But you have to realize that gear is part of the equation. If gear didn't matter to PvP why would anyone buy zen? A lot of people from my guild, and I know many other guilds as well, have supported the game quite a bit by buying zen to achieve a perfect enchant or Tene's.
While some of you may scoff at that and say something to the effect of "P2W", that is how this game is supported and how new content continues to come out.
So again a low gear or no tene tournament could definitely be something that we set up in the future, but for a tournament that ranks guilds we want everyone in their best.
Not to mention a lot of people would have to spend an arm and a leg just to remove their already too strong enchants for a low level tournament. Perhaps if we made it blue's only, so everyone could buy a new set of gear for really cheap.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
You can ofc have tournament with gear for fun. But ranking needs to be fair to be able to measure skill/teamplay.
PVP gear is easy to get in a week or two. Rank 5 enchants and lesser is also easy to get. And then you go with green pants/shirt and blue rings/belt/neck. All easy to get.
Edit: Getting good gear isnt a skill you want to rank. If you have money or other ways to get the best gear you have an advantage and THAT will give fake results.
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FaceRoller- regen recovery TR (put on the shelf for now) 14k GS
Supreme CHAOS - IV GF (put on the shelf for now) 16k GS
White Khalifa- tene/hp/regen CW (retired) 11k GS (tene)
Death From Above- TANK ranger 16kGS
(all halfling everything)
Proud rank 6 of: <Enemy Team>
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Most or all of the top PvP guilds have an A team with greaters/perfects and R8+ or Tene's. The difference between greater and perfect or R8 and R9 is very little and won't have much of an effect on results.
If you are in a smaller guild you are still more than welcome to participate. IMO skill and strategy account for a lot more than gear, and you very well could rank pretty high with R7's and normal-greater enchants if you've got the strategy down. Rank 1 is not the only rank in this tourney, acheiving top 5 or even top 10 (especially with lesser gear) is certainly an accomplishment.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
I would think some blues that are expensive because of their use in high level play would probably have to be outlawed, and to keep costs down you would probably need to go with gemless shirts/pants. What would be the limit on enchants as well? Rank 4s to keep costs really low or go rank 5s/6s which still isn't too expensive? No Weapon/Armor enchants or lessers allowed which would raise costs quite a bit? It is a fun idea.
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Yeah I think a tournament with only blue gear would be interesting lol. And really cheap to gear your character up in blue's and R5's with no armor/weapon enchants.
I will look into putting that together in the near future
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
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nice a lot people say gwf destroyer is useless for pvp. i am a sentinel myself, but I am making a new experiment for destroyer in a new race. if my theories are right, it will work pretty good.
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The PvP community knows who the top guilds are.
Ok come on now. Yes we are a new guild, but that doesn't mean we are new players. I have been playing since 2nd week of open beta and so have a lot of our other members. We all belonged to PvP guilds in the past and we are not claiming to be the authority on PvP.
That quote was in an effort to get signups. What we know is that Lemonade won the last PTR tourney, so congrats to them, they are currently ranked #1.
But quite a lot has happened since then. Now all guilds are on the same server, there are lots of people who've never gotten on the PTR but that PvP regularly on the live server. This is not some huge competition to be the end all be all ranking of every guild.
This is to see who places where in the community as of right now, and then that gives all the guilds something to work for. Every time we do this guilds that may have placed 6th or 7th before will have time to gear up, change strategy, practice, and do much better the next time. This is an attempt to bring all the guilds that love PvP together to have enjoyable matches with each other.
Most of the people posting here can agree that fighting a premade in a tough match is much more fun than constantly just Q'ing and hoping to hit a premade.
Everyone asked for ranking, but if the consensus now is that no one wants to do that then fine. If no one signs up then I will just put together an all blue's pvp tourney. Everyone seemed happy with that
Edit: Also I stated that all ranking will be completely transparent, all my methods etc. will be on the table and up for discussion. We can even have a "council" of GM's that votes if that's the way we want to go. I'm obviously not trying to boost my guild by some hidden ranking system. TBH I was just going to have everyone play everyone. So if tourney only had 3 signups - LS, EoA, TSB (used those b/c they have easy acronyms lol) and LS beats EoA and TSB but TSB beats EoA then -
Rank 1: LS Rank 2: TSB Rank 3: EoA
I'm not going to do some super technical calculation or anything.
We are definitely dominating, and we are always about to win.
Ranking Guilds:
1. Lemonade Stand
2. The Enemy Team
3.
Rank the rest however you like. We at EoA don't care in the slightest. We like good matches with hard fighting and close scores. Put our guild at the bottom of the list if you like. The end result of these threads and competitions are just awful accusations, personal attacks and guild flaming. I read this thread before the mods cleaned it up and it just about turned my stomach.
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Tournaments are fun, but people are often too incompetent for them to actually end up working well, especially if the purpose is for rankings.
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- First 2 spots: Guilds with greater tenebrous and perfect enchants (LS and ET). If both teams have equal gear then it will be determined by skill.
- All other spots will be determined by skill and slightly less by gear.
Given that gear does play such a huge part in this game, there really can be no objective determination of who is actually "better". And honestly, even if this were to be played on the test server and people were able to equip the greater tenes and perfects, they would still be at a disadvantage b/c it does take a bit of time to learn how to play with these items (getting a feel for the tene cooldowns for bursting people, and learning what your limits are with regards to the armor enchants).
That all being said, I would be most interested in seeing who the best guilds are from third place on down. Those will be the most interesting fights IMO.
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However, I also think that there are many ways to be #1 in pvp. Sure, winning is one, but to me, nothing beats a strong pvp community that helps each other out. I can also usually pvp with all guildies anytime day or night if I want to, and have A LOT OF FUN....I see other people in self proclaimed best pvp guilds, having to solo que all the time, and even hear them complaining about it.
Also, I know who is the nicest. I had a poor DC in a one person guild, that was getting beat on in GG, and Nano from LS told me to follow him, and proceeded to protect me from 10 players at a time, it was crazy, he has done this more than once, as have other LS that I cant remember the names of right now.
So along with the above poster, I really could care less who is even considered the best, it's all pixels that don't translate to into real life solutions.
I wish more guilds would sign up instead of making excuses and blanket statements.
I agree with every word.
Honestly, i would rather more an official thing come up, but if my guild or other guild organize something I would be glad to participate.
I also agree with you there are many ways to "rank" a pvp guild.
its not only about always win, but also have many good teams, compositions, etc.
i believe there are some who are ranked 1 in some things like some guilds that only like pvp with "rainbown" comp, but then others do best at free and rank 1 style like in beholder , a server that never had a "rule" like "rainbow" composition, which for some players like me that played many mmos makes no sense at all restric teams to play only one class each.
then there are other guilds that may not have the best "single" team, but have many good teams to put together (these guilds probably going to kick *** when the game bring something guild massive x guild massive).
so yeah, I agree. there are many ways and different ways to rank pvp guilds.
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