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di3xzj
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"Stalwart Bulwark: This set has been reworked. The new effect is as follows: When you are blocking, strikes against you generate stacks of Stalwart Bulwark. Your next power deals 20 bonus damage for each stack of Stalwart Bulwark on you. You may have up to 10 stacks."
Hi guys, I just red the new patch note and tought "Is today 1st of april? this must be an april fool".First, I want to point out that I'm not a rage kid 1!11 but the nerf at Stalwart Bulwark is so bad. The set was a bit OP as it grant defense and high level of power trough the 4-set bonus. The real problem is not the nerf on the set it-seft but all the enchantment/dye/edit spent on it will be lost and this seems to be a way to make all GF spend AD for buy all enchantment again or save them from their currently gear. Now I'm gonna cover the possible idea wich lead the developper make this decision.
"We wanted to rework the set, making it comparable to other t1" : Seems a good idea, as GF were the only class where t1 was stronger then t2 (Except maybe for the Archmage set for CW) but wait .. They changed a bonus that gives around ~9000 power with one that gives 200 DAMAGE in a 10 STACK build time, stack that are even harder to get and impossible to mantain.. This make the set useless like all t1 in the game.. Even newbies that reach lvl 60 from now on, will choose Knight Captain or PvP t1 set istead of that.
"Guardian fighter were made to be a Tank class" : Well, If this is the reason then there must be a competitive spec/set that can be usefull as a Conqueror Hybrid build. No defensive set can compete with conqueror in terms of utility. With a tank set you will gain like 4% of Damage Reduction and loose tons of power/crit/recovery and ArP and It will be hard to compete against group of Adds that will make loose your shield meter in less then 3 second, while with a conqueror build you will facetank them and hold more aggro.
"The set was used by 90% of GF and we wanted different kind of build" : The change on Stalwart will lead to a massive switch on Timeless hero set that provide more base power and recovery while making us loose like 1/2% of our Damage Reduction as it provide less defense but a +1 in armor class. From now on 90% of GF will use Timeless Hero, so no change if this was your idea.
"That set was too powerfull, even more then t2" Like I said before this is true but then you need to find out how to let people, that spent AD on it, to take their enchantment back. Now common GF with Rank 7 and greater Negation/Soulforged will need to spend 350k AD (700k if you care about utility slot) and start working on a new set, this is wrong in many ways.
"We will introuce a new set and want people to work for it" With the 22th of August a new patch will be introduced togheter with a new set. This new set called legendary iliyanbruen set have all defensive attribute (recovery/defence/deflection/regeneration) and the bonus will fill your guard meter by 45% over 5 second upon taking damages with 1 min ICD (Internal cooldown). If I want to be a full tank I will choose another set for sure, so this is in my opinion a useless set. If you wanted us to farm for a new set then you must know 90% of GF use a conqueror hybrid build and create a set for them, maybe less powerfull then stalwart but with t2 stats, in this way the majority of player would choose to work for that, even just for trying new thing.
Conclusion: I undestand that Stalwart Bulwark set is maybe too powerfull and also a t1 set so my Idea is to nerf it a bit, maybe with a maximum of 3 stack, or to switch it with a t2 set (First set that come to mind is the High General as It is less powerfull then the Knight captain in terms of utility) and make it a t2 set maintaining its stat.
If you have any thoughts on this change I encourage you to comment on this post, also If you have any idea that pushed the developper to change this set I will be glad to add it on the list.
P.S. Sorry for my english, I'm not a native english speaker.
Hi guys, I just red the new patch note and tought "Is today 1st of april? this must be an april fool".First, I want to point out that I'm not a rage kid 1!11 but the nerf at Stalwart Bulwark is so bad. The set was a bit OP as it grant defense and high level of power trough the 4-set bonus. The real problem is not the nerf on the set it-seft but all the enchantment/dye/edit spent on it will be lost and this seems to be a way to make all GF spend AD for buy all enchantment again or save them from their currently gear. Now I'm gonna cover the possible idea wich lead the developper make this decision.
"We wanted to rework the set, making it comparable to other t1" : Seems a good idea, as GF were the only class where t1 was stronger then t2 (Except maybe for the Archmage set for CW) but wait .. They changed a bonus that gives around ~9000 power with one that gives 200 DAMAGE in a 10 STACK build time, stack that are even harder to get and impossible to mantain.. This make the set useless like all t1 in the game.. Even newbies that reach lvl 60 from now on, will choose Knight Captain or PvP t1 set istead of that.
"Guardian fighter were made to be a Tank class" : Well, If this is the reason then there must be a competitive spec/set that can be usefull as a Conqueror Hybrid build. No defensive set can compete with conqueror in terms of utility. With a tank set you will gain like 4% of Damage Reduction and loose tons of power/crit/recovery and ArP and It will be hard to compete against group of Adds that will make loose your shield meter in less then 3 second, while with a conqueror build you will facetank them and hold more aggro.
"The set was used by 90% of GF and we wanted different kind of build" : The change on Stalwart will lead to a massive switch on Timeless hero set that provide more base power and recovery while making us loose like 1/2% of our Damage Reduction as it provide less defense but a +1 in armor class. From now on 90% of GF will use Timeless Hero, so no change if this was your idea.
"That set was too powerfull, even more then t2" Like I said before this is true but then you need to find out how to let people, that spent AD on it, to take their enchantment back. Now common GF with Rank 7 and greater Negation/Soulforged will need to spend 350k AD (700k if you care about utility slot) and start working on a new set, this is wrong in many ways.
"We will introuce a new set and want people to work for it" With the 22th of August a new patch will be introduced togheter with a new set. This new set called legendary iliyanbruen set have all defensive attribute (recovery/defence/deflection/regeneration) and the bonus will fill your guard meter by 45% over 5 second upon taking damages with 1 min ICD (Internal cooldown). If I want to be a full tank I will choose another set for sure, so this is in my opinion a useless set. If you wanted us to farm for a new set then you must know 90% of GF use a conqueror hybrid build and create a set for them, maybe less powerfull then stalwart but with t2 stats, in this way the majority of player would choose to work for that, even just for trying new thing.
Conclusion: I undestand that Stalwart Bulwark set is maybe too powerfull and also a t1 set so my Idea is to nerf it a bit, maybe with a maximum of 3 stack, or to switch it with a t2 set (First set that come to mind is the High General as It is less powerfull then the Knight captain in terms of utility) and make it a t2 set maintaining its stat.
If you have any thoughts on this change I encourage you to comment on this post, also If you have any idea that pushed the developper to change this set I will be glad to add it on the list.
P.S. Sorry for my english, I'm not a native english speaker.
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why do you have to nerf the set? as a GF, stalwart set is still not really that OP. i suggest that instead of nerfing the set, make a new set that will make ppl leave stalwart. change the Rune that gives HP, instead of HP, replace it with something. becaus more HP, it gives more power. if it has more Pdef, then atleast reduce it. to be honest, i invested some money to gain this set. but if its true that it will be nerfed, then ill be pushed to play another MMO. that would be the Elder scroll.
Tactician and Protector tanks are going to hit about as hard as declawed kittens, without Stalwart to rely on for damage.
See I happen to agree with this, I dumped a lot of money into this stupid set and I really don't know what I'm gonna do when this is changed... Obviously, they should really have a better alternative set instead of nerfing this one.
By the way, the AP changes to the CW and DC class should make tanky GFs viable. If you don't want to play a tank, well, there are already 2 dps class in game.
Now, instead of fighting some GWF or CW at Damage metter while we handle aggro of tons of adds, we gonna let GWF/CW/TR take aggro (i joke a bit) and fight DCs at Damage Metter. Hopefully, i still have my Grand Regent set ready to serve in my bank, the Timeless does'nt suit me and it's not that bad, i will have no regrets to sell that set to an even more expensive price than actual price.
Let's farm Timeless !
The Stalwart Bulwak is a defensive set. If you look at the actual sets Guardian Fighters can obtain it is clear that it was intended to be the T1 version of the Grand Regent Set yet the four set bonus far exceeded the four set bonus of the Grand Regent. It should never of been both the top defensive and offensive set with a four piece set better than the Tier 2.
I think this was needed but not nearly to the extent it was done. Getting even two stacks of Stalwart Bulwark would bring it in line with my Grand Regent Bonus (5K Defense only grants 40 Bonus Damage for me) but such a bonus should not be limited to one attack. It should be a passive stack which generates and degenerates over time after blocking attacks. Even if you do manage to get to 10 stacks (easily possible) it is less than useful if it wears off after a single strike.
If such a degrading nature was built into the set it would need to give less bonus damage, perhaps +10 per stack, depending on how fast the benefit degraded but no matter what this current change, while needed, should not go into effect as a single hit or miss set-up.
For the developers.... You made a few mistakes with items/drops/ect in the game. It is understandable that you want to fix a few things. START SMALL!!! Do not take one thing and make it something totally different. Do not nerf a class/item into the ground all in one shot. Do it gradually so the blow is not as severe. These items/skills/or whatever have been in the game for a while now and people have INVESTED money to build their characters based on what you put in the game. You can't just change it overnight and expect people to smile and move on. Every day you force more and more people to quit with all these huge changes you are making.
But understand that is a Tier 1 Set which was without any shadow of a doubt better than the Tier 2 Sets. I bet if Grand Regent and Stalwart Bulwark were reversed from the start the change wouldn't have occurred to begin with but that fact that a Tier 1 item set was so much more visibly powerful than any other set by such a large gap can't be solved by simply increasing the other gear.
Tier 1 and Tier 2 have pretty strict definitions. Tier 1 have 4557 points to work with and Tier 2 have 5027 for Guardian Fighters.
If we pretend you have a really low HP Value of 20K, 5% of that is 1K. My Grand Regent only generates 800 Additional Power and a single swing from Stalwart Bulwark is better than the benefit from my Tier 2 set which is supposed to grant power. That can't be balanced by increasing the other sets. The set was just blatantly far too strong.
I'm with you guys that it's too weak now. Far, far too weak. But to pretend this nerf wasn't a long time coming is simply turning a blind eye to the reality of the Stalwart Bulwark set. It wasn't used by "90% of the Guardian Fighters" as the original poster stated because it was slightly better. It was used by 90% of the posters because it was blatantly better in every way.
But as others have noted: DDs are already running with 3CW TR DC and with the current nerfs to AP regen, GFs will be completely benched. That's kinda annoying for a player like me, who is running the GF since day one and didn't bother to look into other classes at all.
You simply don't understand that you're ruining the game everytime you do such patches, and bit by bit players will get more and more disappointed... Yeh but who cares, it's more important to nerf a set than the fact that lots of players got already their set with enchantments and such things (so many AD spent). Why didn't you think about it before? It's been like that for months... MONTHS!! And... Why don't you give refund of AD, free enchantment un-bind from set then?
Yeh, and last minute news.
Mhh...
I'm ruining nothing. That would be Cryptic and PWE.
The nerf was needed...but not to the extent it was done.
And some sort of compensation for this change should be given.
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I get what you are saying....
BUT
When you drastically change anything in game that is tied to upgrades, a reset, in this case a FREE unsocket is in order. I don't have a GF nor do I have this set but it only makes sense when you take something and downgrade it drastically you need to give the ability (free of charge) to unsocket what is on it. I do feel for those who have this gear set and it only makes sense that they offer those who have it the ability to unsocket it. Same goes for respec's when they, in their infinite wisdom, drastically change class abilities....
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I do like the game and don't mind spending some cash, but to have it taken away is just not cool.
I don't know if they could introduce a new stalwart set without removing the old one, or if they could just reduce the stacks or stack % to maybe 3 stacks or reduce to 4% I could totally live with that.
Otherwise you could try boosting some of the T2 sets so they don't totally stink, right now people are using either the Timeless or Stalwart since everything else stinks.
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I'm sure you'll back out again just like you did with the TR nerf from all of the QQs.
A simple fix would be to limit the STAL Set to 3 Stacks instead of 5.
This means 15% of a players max health vs. 25%. On my build of 38,000 HP that's 5700 Power bonus or 228 Weapon Damage.
The flat bonus damage of 200 is garbage and should be changed to Weapon Damage so it scales the damage on your encounters. Also if you do continue with the broken change, I'll just find and post another broken build that gives GF's a large DPS damage boost with tanking ability. I've already been working on a new build with a different set.
I'm actually surprised you haven't nerfed regeneration as that is what's really broken in this game.
Every Gf, that told, this set isn't op with it's 4 piecebonus, should look how stupid stats the set give in this way!
I have 30k HP, that i can easy stack up, which grants alone with my path 7.500 Power! That's alone 300 damage increase. For Con it's stupid with 15k! +600 Damage on each attack only with this ****! The best GF-Weapon has was? ~550 damage? LOL! We only double our damage with this... not op no...
They changed all buffs. O.o One Boon grant you with a chance 10% of your power as arcane damage to your attack.
That was 1,5k damage with 15k Power! 2,1k damage alone with this setbonus. So the set should be renamed in destroyer set - nothing other it do. Now the choose grants 400 arcane damage.