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[HD Video] Heimdall - Sentinel GWF 36k HP 1200 Regen 7 GTE

ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
edited August 2013 in PvE Discussion
I am not claiming to be the best or show "how leet I am" I merely wanted to share some of my pvp clips from the past week or two into a decently edited movie. I am not the best movie maker, all of this was filmed in about a week and created in about two days.

I hope you enjoy. This SETUP is currently OP although none of the clips really highlight the tankiness or the OP Greater Soulforged I have... Just alot of Tene procs and nice crits...

Make sure you run it in HD, I wasted a ton of time uploading to get better quality so use it! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEX1HJOt5Bc

Wanted to EDIT:
People have asked what gear I use.

2x Titan
2x Scrappers
Reavers Edge
Sugeon Bands (2x) - lvl 45 blue rings
I forget the neck but it has 119 regen on it.
The belt is GWF only (blue) and gives 1150hp
I stack HP Radiants in my two defensive slots. I stack 7 GREATER tene enchants in all offensive, and use Greater Plague Fire for almost the sole purpose of proccing tene, if it didnt DoT I would use Greater Vorpal (which I have on my other character).
I am Pure Sent spec, and also put 1 point into Deep Gash for the bleed on crit (just to proc tene more)

I noticed the DEVs claimed that unstoppable was too OP and are going to nerf the temp HP it gives so that its used first and then goes away immediately, so this setup is receiving a small nerf, but it probably wont affect the build too much.
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  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Thanks!

    I hope others enjoy it as well. I havnt seen many good pvp videos out there so I thought I could contribute.
  • mrexploitermrexploiter Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Nice video. That's pretty much how I kill on my senti GWF. I thought I'd met most senti GWF on mindflayer by now, but I guess not. Send me a message if you'd like to play together some time.
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Im on almost everyday, only took a few day break to make this video. PvP is all I do and the more the better!
  • dkcandydkcandy Member Posts: 1,555 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    ayroux wrote: »
    Fixed OP for you bro... the set up is OP and without starting a flame war even without the tene enchants the spec IS op because it cant be killed... If I slotted more HP/regen instead of offensive tene, I could easily get another 3000 hp and another 400 regen, I know people that do, and it IS OP. But Cryptic needs to know it needs to be tweaked not nerfed to be inline...

    Sentinel is not OP just a tank build and sentinel GWF's can be killed and do all the time. Only a handful of players at competitive levels are difficult to kill as Sentinel GWF 1v1 or stalemate's on point and average Sentinel's are easy to kill 1v1. 2 good DPS players can easily kill a sentinel GWF at the competitive level by chain CC. Once you know the game mechanic's and how the builds work, skill cooldowns, etc... it's very simple to CC chain players to death.

    The issue is most players see a GWF and then go running into them head strong with no concept on how unstoppable works and try to smash the guy while beast mode. Just avoid combat till unstoppable drops and then pop all cooldowns and blow the player up. Then run away for a few seconds while GWF pops unstoppable again and once it drops pop all cooldowns again and they should be dead. If not rinse and repeat.
  • colonelwingcolonelwing Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    This is what the game needs! MORE gwf!

    Nice vid btw.

  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    dkcandy wrote: »
    Sentinel is not OP just a tank build and sentinel GWF's can be killed and do all the time. Only a handful of players at competitive levels are difficult to kill as Sentinel GWF 1v1 or stalemate's on point and average Sentinel's are easy to kill 1v1. 2 good DPS players can easily kill a sentinel GWF at the competitive level by chain CC. Once you know the game mechanic's and how the builds work, skill cooldowns, etc... it's very simple to CC chain players to death.

    The issue is most players see a GWF and then go running into them head strong with no concept on how unstoppable works and try to smash the guy while beast mode. Just avoid combat till unstoppable drops and then pop all cooldowns and blow the player up. Then run away for a few seconds while GWF pops unstoppable again and once it drops pop all cooldowns again and they should be dead. If not rinse and repeat.

    Yes against good players 2v1 its not hard to kill a properly geared Sent GWF, although like you said, 1v1 its pretty much impossible/stalemate and you know youself DK how viable the sent/regen build is in premades... Its arguably one of the more important rolls for backcapping/contesting and holding points solo...

    Of all the mechanics in the game its up there with being the strongest and borderline OP when played right... But ive always said the 1 class that can lock down a GWF the easiest is a GF, which is what we both play as well...

    With perma CC on a GF, GWFs dont seem so scary but I bet Xira has a slightly different perspective from yours, while not "scared" its not something he would probably want to end up in a 1v1 scenario against... nor would any sane good player try and 1v1 down a sent gwf on point but like you said, 2v1 its pretty easy to lock down... Still doesnt mean its not a beast 1v1.

    At the PUG level with my character I actually am shocked and left mouth open if I die... Alot of the matches I play I never do and I also dont do the run away/pot strat... often...

    Im also not specced FULLY hp/regen because of the GTE enchants... and if I were it would be even harder...

    Im not saying I can facetank 3 FFoZ players (although I have a vid of me 3v1 3 FFoZ TRs and winning) but I can occasionally facetank 3-4 pugs at once and ATLEAST cause a majority of teams to have to send multiple players to kill me, allowing my team to cap mid... Again, nothing you dont know... Which is what makes it so valuable in premades...
  • modimormodimor Member Posts: 198 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    Nice vid, and a perfect example to show the devs why Tenes needs a drastic change. I would say the procs of em stand for about 40% of your dmg.
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    modimor wrote: »
    Nice vid, and a perfect example to show the devs why Tenes needs a drastic change. I would say the procs of em stand for about 40% of your dmg.

    Yeah its alot, in those vids. What you obviously dont see is all the other footage that I clip out because its just boring kiting around. Id say the best example of actual gameplay is the second to last footage, thats all 1 clip from 1 match, and I would say the tene there is maybe around the 30% of damage, but overall I agree it needs a tweak.

    Ive offered up many proposed changes many times, the issue is that people stack these, like me, and even a 20 secc CD doesnt effect pvp much, all it did was hurt PVE.

    What they need to do is:
    -drop the damage of tene to lesser:1% normal:1.5% greater: 2%
    - bring the CD back to 8 seconds, but a HARD 8 seconds not a serverside CD.
    - make it so only 1 tene can proc at a time. This reduces stacking since its doubtful you will get 7 different procs in 8 seconds off separate attacks. Why 8 seconds? thats when the 1st one comes back off CD, so the lower CD actually reduces the stacking need.
    - give the ability for it to hit multiple targets if proced on an AoE attack.

    All of this will reduce stacking, remove the crazy burst (fixing PVP), and fix tene viability in PVE by upping its dps quite a bit.
  • esteenaesteena Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1
    edited August 2013
    I have some questions for you, i'm a new sentinel GWF and want some experience if you don't mind ofcourse:

    1- Why don't you use Restoring strike?

    2- What is your armor enchantment? and is negation enchantment the best choice?

    3- What do you do when an enemy is stacking greater plague fire on you?
  • durandurahandurandurahan Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    can you share your full equip and stat?
    esteena wrote: »
    I have some questions for you, i'm a new sentinel GWF and want some experience if you don't mind ofcourse:

    1- Why don't you use Restoring strike?

    maybe because RS doesnt give knockdown and stun. :)
  • modimormodimor Member Posts: 198 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    RS is horrible in pvp, the heal you get from it, even when feated isn't worth replacing IBS for. And if you replace RS for Takedown or Flurrish IBS gonna get dodged 70% of the time. Heck, IBS misses sometimes even when people just move very slightly. You need the target to stay perfectly still, so you Takedown to to make sure Flurrish hit as it has much shorter animation then Flurrish, making it harder to dodge. then IBS. You can even get some Sure Strikes in between Takedown and Flurrish sometimes. What i've noticed is that IBS misses alot of you use Takedown then IBS for some reason. For PVE boss fights, you should replace Takedown with RS tho.
  • nukeyoonukeyoo Banned Users, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    ayroux wrote: »
    I am not claiming to be the best or show "how leet I am" I merely wanted to share some of my pvp clips from the past week or two into a decently edited movie. I am not the best movie maker, all of this was filmed in about a week and created in about two days.

    I hope you enjoy. This SETUP is currently OP although none of the clips really highlight the tankiness or the OP Greater Soulforged I have... Just alot of Tene procs and nice crits...

    Make sure you run it in HD, I wasted a ton of time uploading to get better quality so use it!


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEX1HJOt5Bc

    Decent vid. Where's footage of you fighting solo against 3+ and killing them without help? I would fraps and make a video showing this without greater tene's but fraps and all the torrented farm animal midget HAMSTER are OP and rpd my old hard drive. :mad:
    maybe because RS doesnt give knockdown and stun.

    Neither does indomitable strike. Just better burst.
    modimor wrote: »
    With CW maybe, if you get support from another dps, with TR, only if you get support from a GF or CW.
    I played with you in Arsenal btw,

    I wouldn't need support with either of them. :rolleyes: Who were you in Arsenal? i miss squig ball.. my sent gwf Qweefmonster got hit with the name nerfbat today :( I don't understand why anybody takes issue and thinks a vaginal flatulence monster is inappropiate.
  • llantissllantiss Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    nice vid! we need more pvp videos, especially clutch action 1v2s 1v3s
  • silinthiussilinthius Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Seriously? What are you showing here? That you spent too much $$ on your GWF? With all your $$ enchants you can have the worst build ever and still melt faces. I see no skill what so ever.
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    esteena wrote: »
    I have some questions for you, i'm a new sentinel GWF and want some experience if you don't mind ofcourse:

    1- Why don't you use Restoring strike?

    2- What is your armor enchantment? and is negation enchantment the best choice?

    3- What do you do when an enemy is stacking greater plague fire on you?

    1) Restoring strike doesnt heal that much, My regen ticks for almost the same and you lose alot of burst ability. Only rare situations would warrant RS however you need to think of the trade off, the IBS you get can crit for 8-10k on occasions, that could be the different between a TR having 3k HP left and damaging you, or him being dead with IBS.

    2) I have a greater soul forged, I used to have greater negation and I think they both add value. I liked negation because I have something like 44% DR unbuffed, then negation typically procs before you get your first unstoppable, so your very hard to kill. I switched to test it out and love the synergy of SF with high regen. the 4 seconds of immunity allow me to buy time for regen ticks. I can also gain determination during that 4 seconds and typically come out of SF with unstoppable buying me even more time.

    3) Plague fire isnt as good as most people think, the stacks dont refresh themselves so if you get hit 3 times = 3 stacks of plague fire, if the person is not constantly attacking the first stack falls off almost instantly meaning youll only have 2 stacks. The main reason I use GPF is for the DoT to proc tene, the armor reduction is nice and plays really well with "SoTS" and "WMS" for those debuffs.
    silinthius wrote: »
    Seriously? What are you showing here? That you spent too much $$ on your GWF? With all your $$ enchants you can have the worst build ever and still melt faces. I see no skill what so ever.

    I guess the saying is true... Haterz gonna hate...
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    llantiss wrote: »
    nice vid! we need more pvp videos, especially clutch action 1v2s 1v3s

    I have videos of this but the problem is they arent fun to watch because typically its either me getting kited around or me kiting around for my regen ticks. I had these in my first video, but feedback said it was just a little too boring and not alot of big crits/tene procs... It just wasnt fast enough, so I scratched those out, and added more blow up vids.
  • modimormodimor Member Posts: 198 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    nukeyoo wrote: »
    Decent vid. Where's footage of you fighting solo against 3+ and killing them without help? I would fraps and make a video showing this without greater tene's but fraps and all the torrented farm animal midget HAMSTER are OP and rpd my old hard drive. :mad:



    Neither does indomitable strike. Just better burst.



    I wouldn't need support with either of them. :rolleyes: Who were you in Arsenal? i miss squig ball.. my sent gwf Qweefmonster got hit with the name nerfbat today :( I don't understand why anybody takes issue and thinks a vaginal flatulence monster is inappropiate.

    Wasn't you're name Plinkyoo????
    I was a late addition to Arsenal, Staffbearer reqruited me at the end of the Guild's lifespam, I had a Goblin Shaman (ofc, was a Goblin heavy guild) named Narfzon
  • esteenaesteena Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 1
    edited August 2013
    silinthius wrote: »
    Seriously? What are you showing here? That you spent too much $$ on your GWF? With all your $$ enchants you can have the worst build ever and still melt faces. I see no skill what so ever.

    I have a tene GWF with G plague fire without spending a single $$ just alot of T2 and CN farms.
    ayroux wrote: »
    1) Restoring strike doesnt heal that much, My regen ticks for almost the same and you lose alot of burst ability. Only rare situations would warrant RS however you need to think of the trade off, the IBS you get can crit for 8-10k on occasions, that could be the different between a TR having 3k HP left and damaging you, or him being dead with IBS.

    2) I have a greater soul forged, I used to have greater negation and I think they both add value. I liked negation because I have something like 44% DR unbuffed, then negation typically procs before you get your first unstoppable, so your very hard to kill. I switched to test it out and love the synergy of SF with high regen. the 4 seconds of immunity allow me to buy time for regen ticks. I can also gain determination during that 4 seconds and typically come out of SF with unstoppable buying me even more time.

    3) Plague fire isnt as good as most people think, the stacks dont refresh themselves so if you get hit 3 times = 3 stacks of plague fire, if the person is not constantly attacking the first stack falls off almost instantly meaning youll only have 2 stacks. The main reason I use GPF is for the DoT to proc tene, the armor reduction is nice and plays really well with "SoTS" and "WMS" for those debuffs.

    Thanks for your answer :).
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    esteena wrote: »
    I have a tene GWF with G plague fire without spending a single $$ just alot of T2 and CN farms.



    Thanks for your answer :).

    No problem. I spent alot of time testing GPF to see how it works and its actually not THAT great on an enchant, it just is better with tene than almost anything else because of the DoT. I also like that if you hit some1 whose mounted it will take them off.

    I am curious about the new enchant coming out though, the "Perfect Terror" enchant could be promising.

    I would easily wager that the plague fire enchant has higher potential (45% armor reduction) but most attacks are probably in that 2 stack range and maybe even 1 stack so 15%-30%.

    Perfect Terror will be a flat 20% and I think it may last longer like 5 seconds, so it would be a more steady damage, also 12% weapon damage as necrotic will deal more damage as well then the greater PF encahant and the additional hit will help proc tene as well...

    The question is, its a perfect enchant versus a greater so it will cost more for a ROUGHLY equiv enchant...

    It has peaked my interest though as it may have nice utility above GPF...
  • humonculus87humonculus87 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    When does PvP start getting good like this? I am lvl 13.
  • thexavorythexavory Member Posts: 99
    edited August 2013
    Nice vid. It's unfortunate that your team withdrew from the 5v5 tournament where you could have put your GWF to somewhat of a test.
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  • nightfer01nightfer01 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 133 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    Wasnt impressed with anything in this vid. 0 skill. Everything relying on tenes and unstoppable. Got bored at the end and went watching something else. Work harder to impress is my oppenion. Hf!
  • pando83pando83 Member Posts: 2,564 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Have to say, you're a good player. I mean, there's nothing new in how you play. I play the same way, samke powers exc... But you see he's good cause he knows when and how to use his powers, and how to choose the target. This is how i see it by my newbie point of view.
    Obviously the part that doesn't make you die like many other GWFs (myself included) would, in such situations, is the sentinel build coupled with the high rank equipment. And what makes your burst damage be that effective are the tenes and may be, in some situations, the GS difference between you and your opponents.
    Apart from that, i think it's a good example of how to play in PvP as a sentinel GWF. And also, like you said, an example of why tenes are OP (6 tenes stacked on your build means, i think, around 6k damage every time the CD is over. On top of a high HP, tanky build).

    I was unlucky enough to have the power of stacked tenes tested on myself. Mostly GFs btw. Also met some sentinel builds in PvP. They're though even without tenes btw. But at least you can fight. Same goes for GFs. I really think the main problem are the tenes.

    Even if the other class/ build you face stacks tenes, the tank build with high HP will gain more benefit. Also, since it's a % and stacks, the more tenes you stack, the bigger the advantage gained by tanks, increase (for example with 1 tenebrous it could be around 400, with 6 tenes it's over 2k more damage gained by the tank).
    And you can't counter it. Shouldn't stack to begin with.
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  • nightfer01nightfer01 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 133 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    And where is your video, Mr. oh-so-pro?...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujqmn2oYHnE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA7ViBCvmYE

    Did this 2 and a half months ago when PVP was still fun. back then I was 9.8k GS, still the same GS right now since I quitted 2 months ago. Your point? I dont own any perfect pf, soulforge or w/e enchants or any greater tenes. I have rank 5 and 6 regular enchants with lesser thunderhead and bilethorn. Still my vids are way better than this.
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  • nightfer01nightfer01 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 133 Bounty Hunter
    edited August 2013
    I play CW, I dont play GWF cause Im not good at tanking classes, but I know all the mechanics to counter every single build there is in MMOs IF the game supports it. Clearly Neverwinter doesnt have a counter to high HP/low dmg builds like sentinel that relies only on tenes, unstoppable and regen. Thats all I can say. I am in this industry for a long time to know more than most of the gamers thing they know.
  • ayrouxayroux Member Posts: 4,271 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    What I dont get is why you feel the need to come in here and insult me... I clearly stated im not posting this to claim I am the best pvper on the planet, I also didnt spend a ton of time filming or making the video. I just recently started fraps-ing (only because I was hoping my 5v5 would be in the tourny) and then decided to do something with that footage.

    I was around when the game came out as well bro and I wouldnt say it took "more skill" to play. Most people at lvl 60 2-3 months ago had NO idea how other classes played or how to counter them at all, players also didnt know how to stack gear efficiently (like regen) and they also had no clue the value of tene enchants. I played a GF back then and could cheese the hell outta people with knights challenge/bull rush/lunge strike (see "Envys Videos"). It didnt take ANY skill...

    The other thing I would like to point out is GWF is one of the only classes in the game that actually takes timing skill with encounters. You have to be almost ontop of somebody to use them, they have a very long windup, and they are easy to dodge (which player NOW playing have an idea of how to do that very well) versus 2 months ago, noone I fought on either of my characters had ANY idea how to dodge attacks.

    Also, back then, most players didnt stack HP/defensive stats so playing a pew pew CW was actually very strong, easy 15k ice knife crits, but as the gear/specs/enchants progressed CWs really fell by the wayside.

    I dont own any perfect enchants either BTW... and SOME of my enchants are rank 5, some are rank 8 and i have greater tenes (that I bought VERY early on for 10-30k AD for lessers making a greater about 300k AD)

    Im also confused about your comment on unstoppable, I dont see you saying to TRs that they are only good because they can stealth.... Unstoppable is part of the class mechanic seeing that GWF have no way of avoiding taking damage, no block, no stleath, no "roll or blink", sprint doesnt make you immune like roll/sprint do.
    nightfer01 wrote: »
    Work harder to impress is my oppenion. Hf!

    Like I posted earlier, the more "impressing" videos I do have of going 3v1 etc are long fights that last 2 minutes+ that noone wants to see people kiting the HAMSTER out of eachother for regen/CDs. I had this in my first video, people said it was boring and for the 99% of gamers with ULTRA short attention spans (like you admitted to getting bored at the end of a 5 min video) they wont stick around for a 2 minute fight...

    I also found your videos pretty boring. and stopped watching at :30 because its pretty clear most of the players your playing are hardcore scrubs (hence why it was filmed 2.5 months ago) and maybe why you found it fun?

    /peace
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