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adinosii
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One of the new things currently available on Mimic is the ability to upgrade companions.
Now, it costs 750.000 AD to go from a blue companion to a purple one (the other steps being much less expensive, of course), but the question is - is it worth it ? After a bit of experimentation, my opinion is that I will probably upgrade two of my companions - change my blue stone to a purple one - it will give a decent boost in stats, and I will probably also change the green cleric (the $8 tiefling) to a blue one to improve her survival chances while leveling my (non-cleric) alts.
As for other companions....nah, not worth it.
Now, it costs 750.000 AD to go from a blue companion to a purple one (the other steps being much less expensive, of course), but the question is - is it worth it ? After a bit of experimentation, my opinion is that I will probably upgrade two of my companions - change my blue stone to a purple one - it will give a decent boost in stats, and I will probably also change the green cleric (the $8 tiefling) to a blue one to improve her survival chances while leveling my (non-cleric) alts.
As for other companions....nah, not worth it.
Hoping for improvements...
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In other words, you might as well just buy a purp companion in the first place.
(you know, if I could've put money on the price being in that range, I totally would've. I mean, look at the horse upgrades)
Well, yeah...but you cannot. There is no purple augment companion (stone/cat) and for many people with a maxed out stone/cat 750K AD is pocket change - well worth it for the extra points a purple would give (4% or so).
As for a purple healer - well, there is the angel, but it takes 360 ardent coins, and it will be a while until anyone has enough of those.
- JailBreak (in development)
Eh, that is a bit insulting to people who have earned their AD through crafting or AH trading. It's a bit harder now, with the changes to the reinforced gauntlets, but 100.000AD/day is not hard at all.
This is a lie for the Ioun Stone. If it were not a lie then i will buy the upgrade as soon as i can!
....seriously?
Ok, let's assume you get up to the max rough cap (and that'd take a decent whack of playtime and/or a lot of leadership tasks), so that's 24k, so you need to get 76k from....selling stuff on the auction house?
Which you sell to players, who are therefore spending AD, either obtained via their leadership etc rough->refined caps, or via selling stuff themselves, which simply propagates downward.
So your "easy" 100k income depends utterly on other players having AD to spend, so ultimately you hit the fact that there isn't that much AD coming IN: since de novo creation of AD is capped at 24k per character, that's a further three and a bit characters needed (plus your own 24k) to generate an income of 100k a day, for one character.
If we assume that everyone has two characters and that everyone meets their AD cap daily (which I very very much doubt: with the free time I have I usually get 2 or 3k, tops) and then immediately spends it on stuff in the AH, then that's 50% of the population capable of getting 100k a day on one of their two characters. So 25% of characters.
In an utterly fantastical best-case scenario.
In reality it's more likely to be substantially lower than that.
Or am I missing something here?
Please tell me how! I really try, but recently I can only make money with Alchemy. I have not botherd yet to level any craft to 20. Alchemy and Mailsmith are at 10. Leadership takes ages! And I do not have the time to do daily dungeons. PVP is more or less out of the question since I'm really not great at it with my DC and most of the time 2-3 quit before half the time is over...
So, I'd be delighted to know a few ways how to make ADs. What's the best profession? Some kind of brilliant trick. I need 1-2 weeks for 100,000 AD so I'd be really happy to make 30,000 a day
Not my problem if you feel insulted, but IMO this is what it feels like. People who earn their AD normally don't have millions and millions to spend on upgrading pets.
Also, please enlighten morsitans and avien and myself how to make 100k a day...and please don't say farm CN because you said its not hard and I don't have 14k gear score.
- JailBreak (in development)
A lot of the people with silly amounts of AD are those that choose to exploit early and often. At worst you are likely to get a 3 days ban.....
Hahaha. Typical entitled MMO mentality. Anyone who has better things than you must be cheating right?
Protip: 100K AD might seem like a lot to you, but it's really not hard to (legitimately) make it if you know what you're doing. And, no, I'm not referring to farming CN.
No this is not "typical entitled MMO mentality" because its well known that many people got rich of exploits. You sir however are apparently "typical I don't agree with you so I must insult you" mentality...right?
Also, apparently you don't understand how tips work. Saying "its easy if you know how" is neither "pro" nor a "tip." Regardless that doesn't change the fact that I personally don't feel (and apparently others as well) that 300k to upgrade from white to green quality is way too much.
- JailBreak (in development)
How does what other players are getting change whether or not it's easy to earn that much? Do business earn money based on some sort of wealth sharing?
Saying that you think the upgrades cost too much is a perfectly fair opinion to have. However, I was simply referring to your assertions that the only people who have a lot of AD must have exploited or farmed CN, which is not the case.
How much are the current costs of the other upgrades? (White->Green and Green->Blue)
So now I am saying maybe you need to not act like a girl and read things that aren't there. I never said people with AD either exploited or farmed CN.
I said these prices appear to be for people who either have exploited or have more $$ then time. Also, when it was mentioned that farming 100k AD a day was "easy mode," I asked that the explanation of how not be "farm CN." So again...don't try to project your own issues or whatever into other peoples words.
- JailBreak (in development)
Ok, think about it this way. If earning 100k a day is easy, then everyone should be able to do it, right?
Except the influx of AD is capped at 24k per character per day.
So it takes slightly over 4 characters, doing whatever it takes to reach their refining cap, to increase the total AD in circulation by 100k.
So already we can see that it's impossible for every character to earn 100k a day, and in fact the maximum number of characters that can earn 100k AD a day is slightly under 25%.
And this assumes that every single character does the required number of things to reach their refining cap, every day.
Given the ways of doing that are (to my knowledge):
>leadership tasks, which require a pretty high leadership level to start earning significant AD
>daily quests, which at 60 can be pretty tiresome and time consuming.
edit> and invocation! Forgot invocation. Is there a figure on max AD from this? It seems to be pretty low...ah, wiki says abour 2k max per day.
So we're looking at a substantial time investment, per character, per day, to get that 24K. How many people are able to devote that much time and effort? If your answer is anything other than "all of them", then our theoretical maximum of 25% of characters earning 100k just dropped. Characters of lower than max level are also less likely to generate 24k, I'd wager.
So from the get-go, before we even consider gear, skill, character level, and general OMG I SO AWESOME AT TEH AUCTIONZ, we are looking at a figure of significantly under a quarter of characters being capable of generating 100k AD a day.
It's basic maths (again, unless as noted I'm missing some extra source of AD influx -turns out I was, invocation. But that only adds 2k).
And once again, you are wrong. You can make a lot of AD in game without exploiting, spending real-life money, or farming CN. I'm not projecting any issues, but rather stating simple facts.
No, I am not wrong, because unlike you I am not claiming my statements to be "fact." The prices are high, and others have stated this as well, so when I state my opinion that I feel they are for exploiters and people with lots of $$ that they don't mind spending, this is in fact NOT wrong because it is my opinion.
Also, I am not wrong because I never said the only ways to have lots of AD is exploiting, spending $$ or farming CN. YOU are the one who is applying these restrictions to your own comprehension of my posts.
- JailBreak (in development)
No I won't say "farm CN", because that's not what I do.
First, I typically have 6-7 leadership tasks going on at any given time....no surprises there.
Second, invocation...no surprises there either.
Third, I have mailsmithing at 20. Now, that used to be a lot more profitable before the last patch, where I could buy purple T2 bracers (Avatar of War and Miracle Healer) for around 200.000AD, upgrade them to the reinforced version and sell those at 400.000AD (or so). I would typically have 2-3 such upgrades running. However, as I said, that is no longer possible, so now I do exquisite shirts/pants for DCs and GWFs. I have one grandmaster mailsmith, so this is a 8-hour task, and I try to make two shirts/pants per day, but sometimes I am unlucky as the recipes are not available. Now, I get the gemmed version 60% of the time and make a nice profit on those - just check the AH prices. 40% of the time I get the non-gemmed version, and I may actually lose on those, as they may sell for less than I paid for the dragon egg, but the expected average return is quite decent. To be fair, however, I must admit that I still haven't made enough AD from mailsmithing alone to cover the cost of the tools I had to buy at the AH, but I'm getting there. Crafting is getting less profitable as more people reach level 20 and competition increases, but at the moment this is still the most significant income source for me.
Fourth, I do resource runs during the "Professions" slot - running through some high-level area that I know well and visit maybe 25 nodes or so... mostly to gather enchants and runestones, which I fuse together and sell when I have rank 5. Of course, the price of enchants has been driven down by the people farming certain instanced mini-dungeons who then sell 99-stacks of rank-5 enchants, while I sell only 1-3 ... still, this is nice additional income - maybe 20K/day.
Fifth, when I notice a high-demand item being auctioned off at an absurdly low price, I may buy it and re-list it at a higher price. This is, however, not a significant source of income for me.
Finally, I occasionally do a T1/T2 dungeon and sometimes I get something that can be sold for a decent number of AD.
It all adds up ... 100.000 AD/day isn't really that much.
Some people claim its sooo easy, or atleast very doable, yet no one can offer an explanation on "how", when asked, not even in PMs where the tactics wouldnt be wide spread. "Facts", without any proof or theory backing them. Interesting.
(not saying it's not possible, just saying its... interesting. And kinda funny. )
Pro tip; It's reeeaally pointless to argue with ratrail, since he doesn't really grasp the concepts of "argument", "fact", "point", "proof" or "reason" very well, not to mention "debate". And he tends to run around in circles, while flailing about and repeating the same things, no matter how hard you try to explain it, even using kiddie sentences and words.
Actually, you did say that, but think whatever you want. You should choose your words more carefully if that's not what you mean.
Lose a debate with me in your own thread, so you have to come to this thread to try to stir things up. Nice!
Funny thing is that someone made a very detailed post just above yours that talks about how they make 100K/AD a day. I know reading isn't your thing, but you could at least try a little harder to make your arguments factual, no?
Note that aside from crafting stuff and selling stuff on the AH, the overall gains of AD are relatively low...
....and since selling stuff on the AH is not generating AD (it's circulating it), my argument -as far as I can tell- still stands.