No I won't say "farm CN", because that's not what I do.
stuff and such
It all adds up ... 100.000 AD/day isn't really that much.
Cool...thanks for taking the time to explain.
I only have 5 open slots on my main, so I can't run 6-7 leadership tasks anyway. I do use this for AD of course.
I do invocation daily as well, but that seems to be only about 3k if I hit alot on my L60.
I don't have any profession to L 20 yet, so nothing there for me at all...
Some times I try to farm nodes during the profession event, but I don't usually have the time to do this
I too run dungeons, but since I don't have 14k gear score, I am either getting things I can use or junk that sells for 2k AD.
Ultimately this all relies on other people having AD to spend, which means everyone can't easy mode farm AD.
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So adinosii actually (helpfully) has posted how one achieves this: thanks!
Note that aside from crafting stuff and selling stuff on the AH, the overall gains of AD are relatively low...
....and since selling stuff on the AH is not generating AD (it's circulating it), my argument -as far as I can tell- still stands.
People will continue buying the new packs they introduce, which will continue infusing AD into the game. This means that crafting and selling stuff on the AH will likely always be a way to generate large chunks of AD, if you know what you're doing.
Ok, think about it this way. If earning 100k a day is easy, then everyone should be able to do it, right?
Correct, just like everyone can set up their own business and make money but not everyone does. This is the key, not everyone is inclined to (learn how to/spend the time to) make money.
Personally I spend far too much time in MMOs finding ways to make money and actually end up not doing the instances, exploits or whatever it is that really earns the big money. I do professions, buy and resell, wheel and deal. In fact I spend so much time doing it that for me that is the game that I'm playing when I log in to MMOs. In Everquest I didn't play with my friends who started at the same time as me because I stayed around level 20 for so long crafting, buying and selling, etc. while they were off raiding.
I'm sure other people have more effective ways of making money than I do, but that doesn't mean to say that everyone has the knowledge nor the inclination to do it their way either. I certainly wouldn't expect many others to spend the time I do on what I do, but never the less I make enough AD per day to keep me going without, and what other people do to make some AD makes no difference to how easy or difficult I find it.
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Ultimately this all relies on other people having AD to spend, which means everyone can't easy mode farm AD.
Crafting professions can be profitable earlier - making embrodiered/elegant shirts/pants can be profitable - also, there are a few other items that can be crafted which will actually sell for more than the cost of resources - I used to do that when I was leveling up my professions, but I didn't include them as I don't bother with those any more.
Also, regarding the supply of AD, keep in mind that there is constant inflow of AD into the game from people that buy Zen and convert it to AD. I have no idea how much that is, or how it compares with AD awarded for leadership tasks, invocation or daily tasks, but it is significant.
It is possible to make a nice bit of AD at lower levels - for example by doing the Blacklake skirmish over and over and over......if you do that constantly during the skirmish window and do nothing else to level from 6 to 11, you can make a nice bit (for a low-level char).
I did this during the recent double AD event - made a GF named Draupnir Irontoe, and easily made 20K per skirmish window - enough to pay for all-blue items and upgrades for quite a while afterwards.
Also, regarding the supply of AD, keep in mind that there is constant inflow of AD into the game from people that buy Zen and convert it to AD. I have no idea how much that is, or how it compares with AD awarded for leadership tasks, invocation or daily tasks, but it is significant.
This is a common misconception. Buying Zen and converting it to AD through the exchange does not create new AD; it only redistributes it from one person to another because you are buying already existing AD from someone else. (Someone has to sell existing AD for you to be able to buy it with Zen.)
Crafting professions can be profitable earlier - making embrodiered/elegant shirts/pants can be profitable - also, there are a few other items that can be crafted which will actually sell for more than the cost of resources - I used to do that when I was leveling up my professions, but I didn't include them as I don't bother with those any more.
I did this during the recent double AD event - made a GF named Draupnir Irontoe, and easily made 20K per skirmish window - enough to pay for all-blue items and upgrades for quite a while afterwards.
I don't even think I can make those levels of shirts yet either. I think the best I have seen...of course I could be overlooking them...is just now able to make ornate chain shirt at L 14.
yep, I ran blacklake a lot during the 2x AD event but regularly, I don't want to invest the time to reroll a lowbie char constantly.
Ultimately I'll just have to stick to making about 20k AD a day and not even bother with the companion upgrades...for now.
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Don't try to compare the real world (where money circulates) with this MMO (where money appears out of nowhere and also can be destroyed totally): they're not analogous.
What you're essentially saying is "just like everyone in the real world could set up a stall selling apples and make money"....it doesn't work, because you need someone to BUY those apples, and if everyone is selling them, nobody is buying. The very ability to make money on the auction house absolutely and obligately requires that people be spending money on the auction house. The AH is entirely cash neutral (actually the AH makes everyone overall marginally poorer, as it takes a cut).
Making 100k a day is not easy, since it requires a considerable investment of time and effort, and is utterly utterly dependent on the existence of lots of people NOT making 100k a day, and in fact, spending what AD they DO make. It's an inherently niche position to be in. A very nice one, I'm sure, but don't confuse "I am able to do it" with "everyone is able to do it", especially when the very proposition of everyone doing it would destroy the ability of ANYONE to do it.
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Saying that you think the upgrades cost too much is a perfectly fair opinion to have. However, I was simply referring to your assertions that the only people who have a lot of AD must have exploited or farmed CN, which is not the case.
I made a mill (converted to zen and spent now) AD just by invoking, leadership, and selling items from chests on the AH. I wasn't even trying really. It took a few weeks but just kept adding up.
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Don't try to compare the real world (where money circulates) with this MMO (where money appears out of nowhere and also can be destroyed totally): they're not analogous.
What you're essentially saying is "just like everyone in the real world could set up a stall selling apples and make money"....it doesn't work, because you need someone to BUY those apples, and if everyone is selling them, nobody is buying. The very ability to make money on the auction house absolutely and obligately requires that people be spending money on the auction house. The AH is entirely cash neutral (actually the AH makes everyone overall marginally poorer, as it takes a cut).
Making 100k a day is not easy, since it requires a considerable investment of time and effort, and is utterly utterly dependent on the existence of lots of people NOT making 100k a day, and in fact, spending what AD they DO make. It's an inherently niche position to be in. A very nice one, I'm sure, but don't confuse "I am able to do it" with "everyone is able to do it", especially when the very proposition of everyone doing it would destroy the ability of ANYONE to do it.
While your differences in the economy between an MMO and the real world are correct, the rest of your post sounds exactly like a real-life situation. People who are rich in real life are also dependent on not everyone being able to do what they do to get rich as well.
....and since selling stuff on the AH is not generating AD (it's circulating it), my argument -as far as I can tell- still stands.
Your argument may well be centred on generating, and to be fair you've been hammering the same point about 24k cap over and over, but your argument was "generated" by the following post:
Eh, that is a bit insulting to people who have earned their AD through crafting or AH trading. It's a bit harder now, with the changes to the reinforced gauntlets, but 100.000AD/day is not hard at all.
you realize this game is just a cash grab dont you? ... people come in and see all of the content in a month, and quickly lvl to max and move on.... PWE is jsut trying to grab as much cash from people as they pass through this sleeper of a game.
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Lol. Does anyone else remember the "companion upgrade tome cost prediction" thread from a little while back? These prices were pretty much predicted. The more people blow a mill AD on upgrading a pet to L30, the less AD they have to convert to Zen and thus keeping the exchange rate nice and high.
I'm not going to bother upgrading until performance reviews come in. I'd rather not be stuck with a useless level 30 cleric that still spends all her time on the floor.
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
This is a common misconception. Buying Zen and converting it to AD through the exchange does not create new AD; it only redistributes it from one person to another because you are buying already existing AD from someone else. (Someone has to sell existing AD for you to be able to buy it with Zen.)
One of the new things currently available on Mimic is the ability to upgrade companions.
Now, it costs 750.000 AD to go from a blue companion to a purple one (the other steps being much less expensive, of course), but the question is - is it worth it ? After a bit of experimentation, my opinion is that I will probably upgrade two of my companions - change my blue stone to a purple one - it will give a decent boost in stats, and I will probably also change the green cleric (the $8 tiefling) to a blue one to improve her survival chances while leveling my (non-cleric) alts.
As for other companions....nah, not worth it.
Actually, I was surprised it is cheaper than I thought it would be.
I would love to see slightly lower prices but just maybe we will get some better epic companions in Zstore later and just buy them for the same money.
Don't try to compare the real world (where money circulates) with this MMO (where money appears out of nowhere and also can be destroyed totally): they're not analogous.
What you're essentially saying is "just like everyone in the real world could set up a stall selling apples and make money"....it doesn't work, because you need someone to BUY those apples, and if everyone is selling them, nobody is buying. The very ability to make money on the auction house absolutely and obligately requires that people be spending money on the auction house. The AH is entirely cash neutral (actually the AH makes everyone overall marginally poorer, as it takes a cut).
Making 100k a day is not easy, since it requires a considerable investment of time and effort, and is utterly utterly dependent on the existence of lots of people NOT making 100k a day, and in fact, spending what AD they DO make. It's an inherently niche position to be in. A very nice one, I'm sure, but don't confuse "I am able to do it" with "everyone is able to do it", especially when the very proposition of everyone doing it would destroy the ability of ANYONE to do it.
Are you replying to me? If so I said that in the real world not everyone has the inclination to set up a business to make money, just like here not everyone has the inclination to spend the time doing what I do.
I really don't get your point about everybody selling and if everyone sold there's nowhere for the AD to come from. Didn't I just say that not everyone sells? Didn't I say that where other people's money comes from is irrelevant to whether or not I can make money the way I do?
Of course it relies on other people not making so much, that DOES NOT mean what I do is difficult. It's pretty time consuming, that I'll tell you for free. I don't work due to personal circumstances which are irrelevant here, so I'm free to spend my time how I like.
Yes the proposition of everyone doing it would destroy it. That's why I'm not going to tell you what I do. I'm not the only one that does, and it's all above board. That does not change the fact that it is easy.
Are you replying to me? If so I said that in the real world not everyone has the inclination to set up a business to make money, just like here not everyone has the inclination to spend the time doing what I do.
I really don't get your point about everybody selling and if everyone sold there's nowhere for the AD to come from. Didn't I just say that not everyone sells? Didn't I say that where other people's money comes from is irrelevant to whether or not I can make money the way I do?
Of course it relies on other people not making so much, that DOES NOT mean what I do is difficult. It's pretty time consuming, that I'll tell you for free. I don't work due to personal circumstances which are irrelevant here, so I'm free to spend my time how I like.
Yes the proposition of everyone doing it would destroy it. That's why I'm not going to tell you what I do. I'm not the only one that does, and it's all above board. That does not change the fact that it is easy.
Saying that making 100k AD a day "is easy" is a matter of perception. It is easy for you because as you said, you have the time to devote to it. However, someone that plays much less then you would most likely have a very hard time doing what your doing as they cant devote enough time a day.
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Why are there AD making post in this thread when it is about companion upgrade?
Anyway, dumb AI is dumb AI. A purple healer will die (not as fast) just like a white healer with that kind of AI.
It seems that only the ioun stones of might and allure is worth upgrading, but for 750000 AD? No thanks, I can buy another allure stone with that amount instead of just +50~100 points of stats and no level 30 passive.
I thought someone said it was about 300k to go from white to green.
300K, ouch?
Okay that sounds really steep. Any idea how much the green-> blue upgrade is?
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brendan03usMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2013
Does anyone who has tested this know whether it is possible to do multiple upgrades -- i.e., to upgrade the stock cleric to green and then blue and then purple, or is it only one step upgrade permitted per companion?
I ask because there is currently no purple healer other than the Vegas box scenario.
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
I thought someone said it was about 300k to go from white to green.
I don't remember (and I'm at work right now so I cannot check), but I thought it was 200.000 for white->green and 500.000 for green->blue. Not 100% sure, though, but I did spend 750.000 this morning on upgrading my stone this morning to see what kind of boost I would get.
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Does anyone who has tested this know whether it is possible to do multiple upgrades -- i.e., to upgrade the stock cleric to green and then blue and then purple, or is it only one step upgrade permitted per companion?
I ask because there is currently no purple healer other than the Vegas box scenario.
Not tested, but I believe the announcement indicated you could rank them all the way up, but it was linear progression, meaning you couldn't just buy the upgrade to purple and stick it directly on your white companion.
I don't remember (and I'm at work right now so I cannot check), but I thought it was 200.000 for white->green and 500.000 for green->blue. Not 100% sure, though, but I did spend 750.000 this morning on upgrading my stone this morning to see what kind of boost I would get.
Frankly speaking, for that combination of amount, buyers can just go buy a set of ancient weapons and go rofl.
I don't remember (and I'm at work right now so I cannot check), but I thought it was 200.000 for white->green and 500.000 for green->blue. Not 100% sure, though, but I did spend 750.000 this morning on upgrading my stone this morning to see what kind of boost I would get.
Maybe it is 250K, 500K, and 750K then as those are nice round numbers?
In any case it is incredibly expensive.
What I hate about AD upgrade costs is that it forces me to choose between style and efficiency -- do I upgrade my dog because a dog would be neat, or do I spend _substantially less_ by buying a zen companion?
Meh.
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I don't remember (and I'm at work right now so I cannot check), but I thought it was 200.000 for white->green and 500.000 for green->blue. Not 100% sure, though, but I did spend 750.000 this morning on upgrading my stone this morning to see what kind of boost I would get.
Well ultimately this seems pretty useless to me. The return on investment does not seem worth while for the average player. I have the Teifling Cleric and she is only slightly better then the regular white quality one when running epics. Why would anyone who just hit 60 spend 200k or more to get the regular white cleric to green, when that amount of AD will gear them in purples.
Of course this assumes you are interested in having a better cleric pet. But even the other pets just don't seem worthwhile. There are still Blue skeletal dogs in the AH for about 90k AD. The cost to get a white one to blue is about 700k AD. Seriously...WTF is up with these prices.
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Cool...thanks for taking the time to explain.
I only have 5 open slots on my main, so I can't run 6-7 leadership tasks anyway. I do use this for AD of course.
I do invocation daily as well, but that seems to be only about 3k if I hit alot on my L60.
I don't have any profession to L 20 yet, so nothing there for me at all...
Some times I try to farm nodes during the profession event, but I don't usually have the time to do this
I too run dungeons, but since I don't have 14k gear score, I am either getting things I can use or junk that sells for 2k AD.
Ultimately this all relies on other people having AD to spend, which means everyone can't easy mode farm AD.
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People will continue buying the new packs they introduce, which will continue infusing AD into the game. This means that crafting and selling stuff on the AH will likely always be a way to generate large chunks of AD, if you know what you're doing.
NO I didn't. In the two lines you quoted are not even the same thing. WOW dude...maybe you should learn to read period.
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Personally I spend far too much time in MMOs finding ways to make money and actually end up not doing the instances, exploits or whatever it is that really earns the big money. I do professions, buy and resell, wheel and deal. In fact I spend so much time doing it that for me that is the game that I'm playing when I log in to MMOs. In Everquest I didn't play with my friends who started at the same time as me because I stayed around level 20 for so long crafting, buying and selling, etc. while they were off raiding.
I'm sure other people have more effective ways of making money than I do, but that doesn't mean to say that everyone has the knowledge nor the inclination to do it their way either. I certainly wouldn't expect many others to spend the time I do on what I do, but never the less I make enough AD per day to keep me going without, and what other people do to make some AD makes no difference to how easy or difficult I find it.
Crafting professions can be profitable earlier - making embrodiered/elegant shirts/pants can be profitable - also, there are a few other items that can be crafted which will actually sell for more than the cost of resources - I used to do that when I was leveling up my professions, but I didn't include them as I don't bother with those any more.
Also, regarding the supply of AD, keep in mind that there is constant inflow of AD into the game from people that buy Zen and convert it to AD. I have no idea how much that is, or how it compares with AD awarded for leadership tasks, invocation or daily tasks, but it is significant.
It is possible to make a nice bit of AD at lower levels - for example by doing the Blacklake skirmish over and over and over......if you do that constantly during the skirmish window and do nothing else to level from 6 to 11, you can make a nice bit (for a low-level char).
I did this during the recent double AD event - made a GF named Draupnir Irontoe, and easily made 20K per skirmish window - enough to pay for all-blue items and upgrades for quite a while afterwards.
This is a common misconception. Buying Zen and converting it to AD through the exchange does not create new AD; it only redistributes it from one person to another because you are buying already existing AD from someone else. (Someone has to sell existing AD for you to be able to buy it with Zen.)
I don't even think I can make those levels of shirts yet either. I think the best I have seen...of course I could be overlooking them...is just now able to make ornate chain shirt at L 14.
yep, I ran blacklake a lot during the 2x AD event but regularly, I don't want to invest the time to reroll a lowbie char constantly.
Ultimately I'll just have to stick to making about 20k AD a day and not even bother with the companion upgrades...for now.
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What you're essentially saying is "just like everyone in the real world could set up a stall selling apples and make money"....it doesn't work, because you need someone to BUY those apples, and if everyone is selling them, nobody is buying. The very ability to make money on the auction house absolutely and obligately requires that people be spending money on the auction house. The AH is entirely cash neutral (actually the AH makes everyone overall marginally poorer, as it takes a cut).
Making 100k a day is not easy, since it requires a considerable investment of time and effort, and is utterly utterly dependent on the existence of lots of people NOT making 100k a day, and in fact, spending what AD they DO make. It's an inherently niche position to be in. A very nice one, I'm sure, but don't confuse "I am able to do it" with "everyone is able to do it", especially when the very proposition of everyone doing it would destroy the ability of ANYONE to do it.
I made a mill (converted to zen and spent now) AD just by invoking, leadership, and selling items from chests on the AH. I wasn't even trying really. It took a few weeks but just kept adding up.
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While your differences in the economy between an MMO and the real world are correct, the rest of your post sounds exactly like a real-life situation. People who are rich in real life are also dependent on not everyone being able to do what they do to get rich as well.
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I'm not going to bother upgrading until performance reviews come in. I'd rather not be stuck with a useless level 30 cleric that still spends all her time on the floor.
Ah, of course...sorry, wasn't thinking.
Actually, I was surprised it is cheaper than I thought it would be.
I would love to see slightly lower prices but just maybe we will get some better epic companions in Zstore later and just buy them for the same money.
I really don't get your point about everybody selling and if everyone sold there's nowhere for the AD to come from. Didn't I just say that not everyone sells? Didn't I say that where other people's money comes from is irrelevant to whether or not I can make money the way I do?
Of course it relies on other people not making so much, that DOES NOT mean what I do is difficult. It's pretty time consuming, that I'll tell you for free. I don't work due to personal circumstances which are irrelevant here, so I'm free to spend my time how I like.
Yes the proposition of everyone doing it would destroy it. That's why I'm not going to tell you what I do. I'm not the only one that does, and it's all above board. That does not change the fact that it is easy.
Not true. I and one or two other people currently have a purple augment:
You can get this thru Foundry achievement, but it takes a bit of doing.
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Saying that making 100k AD a day "is easy" is a matter of perception. It is easy for you because as you said, you have the time to devote to it. However, someone that plays much less then you would most likely have a very hard time doing what your doing as they cant devote enough time a day.
Ah, I wasn't aware of that one....thanks - I guess it must take a pretty impressive amount of Foundry work to qualify for that one....
I thought someone said it was about 300k to go from white to green.
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Anyway, dumb AI is dumb AI. A purple healer will die (not as fast) just like a white healer with that kind of AI.
It seems that only the ioun stones of might and allure is worth upgrading, but for 750000 AD? No thanks, I can buy another allure stone with that amount instead of just +50~100 points of stats and no level 30 passive.
300K, ouch?
Okay that sounds really steep. Any idea how much the green-> blue upgrade is?
I ask because there is currently no purple healer other than the Vegas box scenario.
I don't remember (and I'm at work right now so I cannot check), but I thought it was 200.000 for white->green and 500.000 for green->blue. Not 100% sure, though, but I did spend 750.000 this morning on upgrading my stone this morning to see what kind of boost I would get.
Not tested, but I believe the announcement indicated you could rank them all the way up, but it was linear progression, meaning you couldn't just buy the upgrade to purple and stick it directly on your white companion.
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Frankly speaking, for that combination of amount, buyers can just go buy a set of ancient weapons and go rofl.
Maybe it is 250K, 500K, and 750K then as those are nice round numbers?
In any case it is incredibly expensive.
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Well ultimately this seems pretty useless to me. The return on investment does not seem worth while for the average player. I have the Teifling Cleric and she is only slightly better then the regular white quality one when running epics. Why would anyone who just hit 60 spend 200k or more to get the regular white cleric to green, when that amount of AD will gear them in purples.
Of course this assumes you are interested in having a better cleric pet. But even the other pets just don't seem worthwhile. There are still Blue skeletal dogs in the AH for about 90k AD. The cost to get a white one to blue is about 700k AD. Seriously...WTF is up with these prices.
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