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Trickster Rogue
Cloud of Steel: This power now has 8 maximum charges, down from 12.
Duelist's Flurry: When the bleed portion of this power is at 10 stacks, further applications now recalculate damage in addition to refreshing the duration.
Feat: Speed Swindle: This feat is now properly considered a Control effect for calculations and procs.
Lurker's Assault: This power now grants 5 / 10 / 15% bonus Crit Severity, instead of 20 / 40 / 60% bonus damage.
Stealth: At-will powers used from stealth will now partially deplete the Stealth Meter.
Trickster Rogue
Cloud of Steel: This power now has 8 maximum charges, down from 12.
Duelist's Flurry: When the bleed portion of this power is at 10 stacks, further applications now recalculate damage in addition to refreshing the duration.
Feat: Speed Swindle: This feat is now properly considered a Control effect for calculations and procs.
Lurker's Assault: This power now grants 5 / 10 / 15% bonus Crit Severity, instead of 20 / 40 / 60% bonus damage.
Stealth: At-will powers used from stealth will now partially deplete the Stealth Meter.
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However, this one is game changing / ( ending ) for some.
3 CoS daggers drops stealth completely.
I am really happy that this broken class is getting some fixes so players can PvP. Perma stealth isn't even fighting and really needed to be addressed this is a huge step in the right direction a lot of players will rejoice. Some other dmg and SE nerfs should be added but ill take this major one since it was the biggest issue and really needed a fix. PvP will be so much better now this game will be a lot better.
However, the perma stealth build has become so standard and cookie cutter, I for one do not mind them looking for ways to change this.
I do not agree with how they did it however as this now effects every rogue, even the ones not perma stealth.
Lol
Id like more feats aim that are in the middle path to a support rogue as of now no one takes it cause its not min maxing towards crit-DPS-rogue or perma-stealth maybe buff the temp hp feat a bit, add some extra flanking benefits for team. these kind of builds wont really be useful to a pvp character sooo shouldn't contribute to rogues being OP
i thought this was a troll cuz it was jus too freakin ridiculous until i saw the patch notes....LOL what da hell is cryptic doing. This is way too much, duelist flurry needed some attention and lurkers was a bit powerful but ****. Definitely gonna see some buffs to TR in the future after they realize how dumb this change is....sad day for TRs
Seze - Rogue - Necropolis -
Now, they're completely destroying Rogues again by ruining Rogues' primary class feature: Stealth and being able to attack while in stealth. They're also destroying another Daily (Lurker's Assault), which affects both PvE and PvP. Instead of nerfing the damage output of that Daily by let's say, 20%, they completely got rid of the original damage increase and instead, added a worthless 15% Crit Severity to a DAILY. Again, 0 playtesting, 0 thought was put into these gigantic and dramatic nerfs that completely cripples the entire class both in PvE and PvP.
If they wanted to shut the PvP whiners up and nerf permastealth (which should be nerfed), they could have easily changed Bait and Switch's ability to refill the stealth meter while in stealth. But no, Cryptic decides to ruin the entire class by making At-Wills deplete the stealth meter instead. Shows once again how incompetent these guys are at balancing this game.
Meanwhile, they leave the ridiculously overpowered Sentinel GWFs and GFs in tact simply because all the whiners ignore those broken classes/builds and focus on Rogue QQ instead. Greater Tenebrous stacking is still taking 1/3 to 1/2 of people's health bars with just 1 proc every 20 seconds. CWs are still able to stunlock everyone and spam Ice Knife for 40k+ at a ridiculous range. But no, let's nerf Rogues to the ground again because the forums say we should.
No amount of respec tokens will fix what Cryptic is about to break.
PvE Rogues are finished, completely annihilated and useless once this patch hits live servers.
PvP Rogues will still manage to do well if they're geared, spec'd, and played properly, but their overall effectiveness will be dramatically reduced. All the scrub Rogues will be even more worthless now and should just reroll asap.
Sent. GWFs, GFs, and tanky Clerics will be even more immortal now that good Rogues can't do nearly as much damage to them and will be fodder to their CC locks and 3-shots. CWs are super happy too because they can sit back, CC lock everyone, nuke people for 40k+, and not worry about being 1-shot by LA+Lashing.
Our best Daily is going to be Courage Breaker and a nerfed Shocking Execution now. The slowest AP-gaining class with the most useless Dailies in the game is soon going to be Rogues.
SE is still to strong. Shouldn't be doing as much damage as it is.
You have impact shot super OP.
Still have immunes and tons of utilities.
This just brings you down from the exploit heaven you were in. This is a great Balancing.
On well, I'll guess I'll soldier on, and see how it goes, and if I can salvage anything out of the character. Since I was only interested in the stealth aspect of the character if I can't get that to work passably then I'll just end up deleting.
Oh well, at least I didn't spend too much money on him, and I'm sure I'll find another character I enjoy playing as much eventually.
With lurkers being reduced so much, geared Sent. GF's and GWF are going to be an even bigger problem. I'm sure they're all jumping for joy seeing as none of them & their precious Tene's got any ball-busting nerfs. Paired with reduced CoS and it now effecting stealth's longevity...
stealth is only useful for losing aggro and running away from players now, might as well call it 'Play dead'
trying to nerf perma-stealth rogues does not justify the changes that are going to happen. a Simple tweak to Bait and Switch or Shadow strike could easily fix perma-stealth. This 'fix' makes the class feature 'stealth' totally useless. I had 5 seconds of combat advantage regardless of mob's facing, now....i have a skill to break aggro and run away cuz at-wills break it. That is why i'm displeased at the devs decision.
If this was an attempt to nerf perma-stealth rogues then mission accomplished but don't drag the entirety of all the other rogue specs with it, like myself. If this was an attempt to nerf rogues as a whole, than they've gone about it wrong.
Agreed. in PvE perma stealth for bypassing trash and has numerous exploit abilities for parties.
In PvP perma stealth isn't fighting at all. So these fixes are needed for the game.
Dev's are spot on with this and a lot of players are really happy
Perma stealth needed to go but rogues as a whole have to much and the whole class needs adjustments and fixes not just the permastealth.
Sure perma-stealth needed to go but it doesn't justify the changes that have been made to the other rogue specs. "but rogues as a whole have to much.." To much what? Fixes for what? Adjustments to what? How about some examples.
He's not going to explain. He doesn't know the first thing about the TR class.
Lurkers changes sadden me to oblivion and back, though.
To much Burst
The best Ranged class
The best melee class
The best utility class
The best pretty much anything its pretty simple you can't have 1 class be the best at so much then have perma stealth build in the mix as well. Rogues have stealth immunity, smokebomb, a Daily in SE that still does WAY to much damage. So lets fix the broken class and bring it in line some. Good work cryptic.
Wow, I didn't know Smokebomb and the fixed SE are OP TR skills! Smokebomb was until most players learned how to counter, dodge or evade it. As for SE, after the fix, it is sometimes, the TR can't even kill an opponent with 1/2 HP bar using SE. In additional, SE can be interrupted or dodged easily due to its long animation, just like TR Daze.
Ebony (Whisperknife)
And did they even think about every leveling rogue out there when they made these notes? Every rogue below level 59 is going to be in each of the 9 burning hells now. In pve and Pvp. This is just beyond stupid. I cant even fathom..
This game has been as balanced as its ever been yet, and they are tossing that RIGHT out of the window. From a 50 story building.
the prime class for dps in dungeons now = Control Wizards
The prime class that will be running pvp = Control Wizards and Great Weapon Fighters
TR rogues wont even be considered worthy in either of these scenarios.