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You don't want to eploit and cheat un pugs? Enjoy your kick then!
diogene0
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These days, the pressure in pugs has increased. People are getting so excited about getting their chests and rewards as soon as they can that they don't even care about other players in game. Basically, if you don't want to cheat, use every single non-legit shortcut, use all jump+dodge at the same time stuff, run and die to campfire, you either get kicked or you end up alone in your instance. This week, i've not really been able to play any dungeon if i do not accept to cheat because of that. The only safe places now are Pirate king and frozen heart, but finding parties for the latter is getting long and tedious, and i'm a bit bored to see the pirate king's face. I've often been insulted: ret*rd, facsist, HAMSTER, idiot, and so on. The social aspect of cheating is clearly friendly and quite fascinating.
Cheating, on the other hand, is cheap: injury kits are so cheap that people don't even care to waste 5 or 10 of them instead of doing 20 mins of content. You can even play with one or two injuries without noticing it. Healing them for free takes 3 mins. Rewards can be huge, the prices on the AH have increased recently.
Cheating is also very achievable. While you can't cheat or skip in a foundry mission, you can in endgame content because there is no objectives, except "kill boss x" to unlock the boss room and the final chest when there's one. The only exception is spellplague, and the plague there is also several races to campfires. Doing karrundax is impossible if you're not ready to use all of the 3 major shortcut, turning this dungeon into a 15-20 mins joke at most. So is the temple of the spider. Just run from one campfire to the next one and you're done in 15 mins. And when the team doesn't run to it, the rogue will unlock it via permastealth.
There's been many reports on the forums since the start and even if changes have been made, it's clearly not enough. The design of dungeons should be more scripted, like "collect x tokens", "kill x monsters", and so on. Cheating should be a lot more expensive resource-wise and less rewarding. Scripted content might be less fun sometimes, but content exploited exploited to death is clearly not fun at all for people who really enjoy the game and the combat mechanics.
I know there are people who don't enjoy fighting and keep playing, and i expect them to complain about "adds" and stuff as usual but allowing people to cheat is never a good option, because it's really frustrating for those who enjoy the game currently.
Cheating, on the other hand, is cheap: injury kits are so cheap that people don't even care to waste 5 or 10 of them instead of doing 20 mins of content. You can even play with one or two injuries without noticing it. Healing them for free takes 3 mins. Rewards can be huge, the prices on the AH have increased recently.
Cheating is also very achievable. While you can't cheat or skip in a foundry mission, you can in endgame content because there is no objectives, except "kill boss x" to unlock the boss room and the final chest when there's one. The only exception is spellplague, and the plague there is also several races to campfires. Doing karrundax is impossible if you're not ready to use all of the 3 major shortcut, turning this dungeon into a 15-20 mins joke at most. So is the temple of the spider. Just run from one campfire to the next one and you're done in 15 mins. And when the team doesn't run to it, the rogue will unlock it via permastealth.
There's been many reports on the forums since the start and even if changes have been made, it's clearly not enough. The design of dungeons should be more scripted, like "collect x tokens", "kill x monsters", and so on. Cheating should be a lot more expensive resource-wise and less rewarding. Scripted content might be less fun sometimes, but content exploited exploited to death is clearly not fun at all for people who really enjoy the game and the combat mechanics.
I know there are people who don't enjoy fighting and keep playing, and i expect them to complain about "adds" and stuff as usual but allowing people to cheat is never a good option, because it's really frustrating for those who enjoy the game currently.
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We enforce a zero-exploit policy in our guild and kick those that we catch exploiting, but we are clearly the exception in that.
I'm trying to have fun, but noOOooOoOoOo!
Leader: "Hey CW, stop DPSing, put sing near that ledge and repel them off!"
Me: "I'm not spec for pushback"
You have been kicked from group.
Good! I love being kicked for not cheating. It saves me the time from right-clicking my portrait and leaving the group myself.
Heck even after a developer comes to the forum and states this is a valid and intentional play-style, people still can't get it. Arc, you are getting kicked because you are not making proper use of your class potential, not for any other reason.
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Agreed. I don't mind a few skips if the map allows you not to aggro the npcs. But because of the bad quest design (it's impossible to design a map without any exploitable content), you can run through the dungeon without doing anything but going to the boss.
Well, there are a few things they could do to address the common exploits:
1. Campfires don't unlock until all team members have made it to them.
2. Add doors behind all bosses that don't open until the boss is defeated.
3. Add invisible walls along the quest paths so you can't just jump down to get to a point further ahead.
3. Similar to #2 above, campfires that come right after a boss don't unlock until after the boss is defeated.
4. In the case of Dungeon Delves, the chest at the end only unlocks after all bosses in the dungeon have been defeated.
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Wouldn't solve most of the exploits. Creating a quest inside the dungeon to make people collecting items dropping from npcs or hidden behind mob packs, and increasing the cost of kits by 10 would be more effective imo. But that's up to cryptic to find the solution, i'm just saying there's a problem
Haha, okay.
I think you read the thread wrong.
1/10 and that is generous.
Shard and guild name? I know a few people who would be interested in that.
I'm not asking for bans, i don't mind. I'm just telling i'd really like to see actual dungeon fixes. Something fixing all exploits once and for all.
He wasn't boasting. He was asking "why are so many PuGs eager to use exploits and not care about the consequences?"
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Doing 3 legit runs within 30 mins is achievable. I've done it several times. But the map and quest design allow cheats i don't even want to know. I know some can get under the map via a pillar or something like that. The stealth rogue exploit rules though.
Basic statement: the more it drops the less valuable it is. If T2 dropped all the time it would be completely worthless. Thus the current droprates are fine. It's even a bit high, i keep getting T2s repeatedly. Half of the time.
Maybe if the adds dropped AD I might reconsider. But until it is worth my time to kill them I will try to bypass. If the developers really want us to fight everything they can just add doors. But they do not, so I feel it is OK to run to the next camp and die or to use the terrain to bypass stuff.
Dont worry, REAL exploits like walking under the map are getting removed one by one. I do really hope that the new dungeons will be more interesting. Otherwise it is back to 'speed run now!'.
I know that and that's the sad part , it seems that now at least 3 out of every 5 times I join a pug for that dungeon its either do it the 'fast' way or the highway , I'm a CW on my main so I know how annoying it is when you feel pressured into for want of a better word cheating , its not a very comfortable position to be in when your halfway through a epic with the DD timer ticking away and the other 4 players are basically expecting you to just use AS to sweep everything up and then repel it all off a cliff , not only that but its incredibly tedious gameplay , just joined a guild (Imba) who doesn't really look too kindly on using shortcuts or exploits so hopefully I'll have a regular group at some point in the near future who don't just miss everything possible.
I do believe it is intended game play, especially in some situations like the triple marsh mystics or triple hallucinated erynies in Dread Vault.
But I also believe it seems to be extremely overused towards the high end.
Glitching your way through a dungeon, camp fire respawns after /killme or similar though I put squarely into the exploit category and all excuses as to way it's justified are just that, excuses.
It's all about loot and selling it on the AH, nothing else.
In the light of all the discussed exploits I find it laughable that people are crying for new content. I translate it now as: give us new stuff to exploit, the profit margin on the AH is too little for our liking.
I can't stand these 'holier than thou' scrubs preaching that this is an exploit. Get off your high horse and wake up to yourself.
I think that it Improves the zen bussiness model because the content will last much longer in the long run therefor increasing revenue.