What i dont get is that they get massive HP and mitigation, defense, deflection. Whereas im in a flimsy piece of cloth and they out damage me.
Seems a touch strange.
I love such exaggerations. Basically the other guy has everything. You might want to do the math and come up with stats and feat point distribution that allows massive hp, massive power, deflection and fine tuned dps feats. I don't think it's possible without trade-offs.
Ran CN yesterday with another CW with full shadow weaver and ancients in every slot. I was in the same and a GF in average gear. Had green shirt and pants.
We were AOEing like crazy which is what you would expect from two geared CW in a run.
GF easily topped the damage charts. Im seeing more and more of this. I'm also seeing the 90% health prone stunning attacks from tanks in PVP. Their at will gap closer is a real killer. Just got hope they dont catch you near a wall.
What i dont get is that they get massive HP and mitigation, defense, deflection. Whereas im in a flimsy piece of cloth and they out damage me.
Seems a touch strange.
If your cws are losing dmg meters to a GF somethings wrong. With you.
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
If your cws are losing dmg meters to a GF somethings wrong. With you.
No. Their is not. This is type of self elitist "Learn to play" rhetoric that irate me slightly. CW are there not to do insane dps but to control, its not in their spec to do max DPS. However I ran a dungeon with a Guardian and behold he nearly was top DPS again, beating out almost every single person expect me by just a few numbers.
A: No its not me
B: I know how to play
I have experimented with his, running numerous dungeons and doing PVP. Most, if not all of the time in the Dungeon the Tank ends up out DPSing by a large number every other class there. I am equipped in T2 Gear, with a rotation and spells learned from the forum.
Everything on my end is fine. Why is it so hard to admit, they are over powered. I mean, does everyone think its just by chance dozens of threads pile on the same class. Then to say "Oh never mind its just you. I'm going dismiss all those threads"
How can you ignore the logic on the forums. If people wanted to complain for sake of complaining, we'd be hearing about every class being over powered. I counted at least five separate threads talking about how over powered they are. This came after the latest patch.
So debate is over if they're over powered. Just how they're over powered, what changed. They should not be out dpsing pure DPS class and doing massive damage in PVP.
No. Their is not. This is type of self elitist "Learn to play" rhetoric that irate me slightly. CW are there not to do insane dps but to control, its not in their spec to do max DPS. However I ran a dungeon with a Guardian and behold he nearly was top DPS again, beating out almost every single person expect me by just a few numbers.
A: No its not me
B: I know how to play
I have experimented with his, running numerous dungeons and doing PVP. Most, if not all of the time in the Dungeon the Tank ends up out DPSing by a large number every other class there. I am equipped in T2 Gear, with a rotation and spells learned from the forum.
Everything on my end is fine. Why is it so hard to admit, they are over powered. I mean, does everyone think its just by chance dozens of threads pile on the same class. Then to say "Oh never mind its just you. I'm going dismiss all those threads"
How can you ignore the logic on the forums. If people wanted to complain for sake of complaining, we'd be hearing about every class being over powered. I counted at least five separate threads talking about how over powered they are. This came after the latest patch.
So debate is over if they're over powered. Just how they're over powered, what changed. They should not be out dpsing pure DPS class and doing massive damage in PVP.
probably because forum whiners are the minority. This is a statistical fact. I have 60 CW gwf and gf all geared. All of them consistantly top pvp charts as well as dmg meters. Sorry to say it is in fact a L2P issue.
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
probably because forum whiners are the minority. This is a statistical fact. I have 60 CW gwf and gf all geared. All of them consistantly top pvp charts as well as dmg meters. Sorry to say it is in fact a L2P issue.
Does anyone get the feeling, people who are defending them claiming its more of a learn to play issue, actually have guardians. For example. CW got a nerf last patch, we didn't have people ranting and raving on the forums. The devs knew there to be an issue and took the solution for it.
Now there is an obvious problem, the forums are flooding with complaints of only one class. The complaint is they are able to stun a target in PVP, drop them below half health then before the target can respond (still stunned) kill them easily or that I'm able to use more then three spells and not even gain it down to half its health.
Its not learn to play. I play very well. Its a game issue. Or do you think people just making threads because they feel like it.
Does anyone get the feeling, people who are defending them claiming its more of a learn to play issue, actually have guardians. For example. CW got a nerf last patch, we didn't have people ranting and raving on the forums. The devs knew there to be an issue and took the solution for it.
Now there is an obvious problem, the forums are flooding with complaints of only one class. The complaint is they are able to stun a target in PVP, drop them below half health then before the target can respond (still stunned) kill them easily or that I'm able to use more then three spells and not even gain it down to half its health.
Its not learn to play. I play very well. Its a game issue. Or do you think people just making threads because they feel like it.
I believe I already answered your question in my previous post. You... the people whining balance on the forums... are the minority of the player base. This is a statistical FACT. Considering my CW and gwf are performing just as well as my gf, pre and post patch says enough. Unless I'm just magically the best player around.
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degraafinationMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
Sadly, it all comes down to BiS gear and P2W. Sure, some people farm for BiS gear, but it takes a long, long time to do. The only major loses/slaughters I've been a part of is when the other team is insanely decked out. Everyone has Greater SF/Tenebrous. Then it's not even a fight. We're all dead in 2-3 hits. I don't consider that PVP, because there's no test of skill, just test of gear (so to speak).
Oh man, this was pretty funny to read. Does OP even know what you're fighting? It doesn't seem so.
1) They have a greater burst damage then rogues
-No they don't. A GF burst is completely reliant on CD's, rogues have superior dmg from both CDs and at wills, GWFs do as well.
2) They have the best movement with a at will basically leap
-Do you mean encounter? or are you talking about the 20' threatening rush? The ability that sticks often unless the GF jumps while using it. Even then, it has a slow animation leaving the GF open for a good 3 sec without Guard being possible. If you are talking about Lunging; its one of the easiest moves in the game to dodge with 40' range.
3) They can pump out massive damage in little under 3 secs
-Every class but cleric can do that. Hell even clerics do decent dmg they just have no CC locks.
4) they have a At will stun... with a difference there stuns send opponents prone for 3 seconds
- Again do you mean encounter? The one with a 10' range? If you dodged lunging you're already out of range of it.
5) heavy armor class which means hard to damage
-Defense means near to nothing in well geared games, if defense is a problem for you. You have low end gear. It is by far the most worthless stat in PvP.
6) large health pool
- Yes. Correct. Both MELEE fighters have higher health pools than other classes.
7) a shield that can block nearly all stuns and attacks
- Yes again, thats 2. It can indeed block all CC but about 3-4 seconds worth of REAL dmg.
Conq spec is THE ONLY spec GF have since "release" months ago. Every GF is speced exactly the same in the exact same freats. This is not because they're good but because there is nothing else even close to viable in PvP. I myself made the mistake of Specing Prot to start, thinking there was a true tank and trinity in this game. GF has 1 spec, GWF has 2, TR has 2-3 and CW has 2 I don't play cleric so I have no clue on that.
GF is easy to kill with my TR and GWF and CW, Knowing their weaknesses from playin the class myself and most of them make the same mistakes such as holding block until their guard breaks and opening them to a CC chain. The Knight Challenge GF are the funniest. Yes, put a laser on me telling me where you are on the field and that you're about to lunging strike so I can dodge it. I just traded a dodge for 2 of your encounters, good job.
People post these threads because they either don't understand how to deal with guard mechanic or how to take advantage of range. Stop tryin to face tank a Fighter.
Oh man, this was pretty funny to read. Does OP even know what you're fighting? It doesn't seem so.
1) They have a greater burst damage then rogues
-No they don't. A GF burst is completely reliant on CD's, rogues have superior dmg from both CDs and at wills, GWFs do as well.
2) They have the best movement with a at will basically leap
-Do you mean encounter? or are you talking about the 20' threatening rush? The ability that sticks often unless the GF jumps while using it. Even then, it has a slow animation leaving the GF open for a good 3 sec without Guard being possible. If you are talking about Lunging; its one of the easiest moves in the game to dodge with 40' range.
3) They can pump out massive damage in little under 3 secs
-Every class but cleric can do that. Hell even clerics do decent dmg they just have no CC locks.
4) they have a At will stun... with a difference there stuns send opponents prone for 3 seconds
- Again do you mean encounter? The one with a 10' range? If you dodged lunging you're already out of range of it.
5) heavy armor class which means hard to damage
-Defense means near to nothing in well geared games, if defense is a problem for you. You have low end gear. It is by far the most worthless stat in PvP.
6) large health pool
- Yes. Correct. Both MELEE fighters have higher health pools than other classes.
7) a shield that can block nearly all stuns and attacks
- Yes again, thats 2. It can indeed block all CC but about 3-4 seconds worth of REAL dmg.
Conq spec is THE ONLY spec GF have since "release" months ago. Every GF is speced exactly the same in the exact same freats. This is not because they're good but because there is nothing else even close to viable in PvP. I myself made the mistake of Specing Prot to start, thinking there was a true tank and trinity in this game. GF has 1 spec, GWF has 2, TR has 2-3 and CW has 2 I don't play cleric so I have no clue on that.
GF is easy to kill with my TR and GWF and CW, Knowing their weaknesses from playin the class myself and most of them make the same mistakes such as holding block until their guard breaks and opening them to a CC chain. The Knight Challenge GF are the funniest. Yes, put a laser on me telling me where you are on the field and that you're about to lunging strike so I can dodge it. I just traded a dodge for 2 of your encounters, good job.
People post these threads because they either don't understand how to deal with guard mechanic or how to take advantage of range. Stop tryin to face tank a Fighter.
Intelligent posts from well informed players who have knowledge on all classes not just the class they play is always refreshing.
probably because forum whiners are the minority. This is a statistical fact. I have 60 CW gwf and gf all geared. All of them consistantly top pvp charts as well as dmg meters. Sorry to say it is in fact a L2P issue.
It seems you say this all over the place. I havent seen you actually post advice at all as to how to play them. Just l2play. I notice you PVP with your guildies. So you play premade vs pug. Actually it can be easy to dominate on all classes in a premade vs scrubs.
rapticorMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,078Arc User
edited June 2013
Well you guys have me convinced.. As someone who originally specced as Protector because I didn't know any better it's time to use my free respec to go Conqueror so I can pwn everyone. Thanks for the tips!
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
I believe I already answered your question in my previous post. You... the people whining balance on the forums... are the minority of the player base. This is a statistical FACT. Considering my CW and gwf are performing just as well as my gf, pre and post patch says enough. Unless I'm just magically the best player around.
Your saying since we're on the forums its useless. Of course we are a fraction of the game. Using you're logic, a person cannot protest against an injustice because we're on the forums, and no matter how many people are convinced on here.
You are convinced its a minority therefore nothing will happen. That's a great filled nonsense. The devs will look at the design like they did CW. No one had to scream and create threads. The designers of this game can look at the data and decide on their own even with our input to tweak some things.
You seem to believe that they will dismiss everything said on the forums and nothing in game will change because a minority. How about devs looking at the outcome and deciding minority or no things need be fixed.
It seems you say this all over the place. I havent seen you actually post advice at all as to how to play them. Just l2play. I notice you PVP with your guildies. So you play premade vs pug. Actually it can be easy to dominate on all classes in a premade vs scrubs.
You seem like a HAMSTER to me.
Considering there are only two ppl in said guild that me and 1 friend made i don't see how that's possible. Try again. I pug my way to victory.
Your saying since we're on the forums its useless. Of course we are a fraction of the game. Using you're logic, a person cannot protest against an injustice because we're on the forums, and no matter how many people are convinced on here.
You are convinced its a minority therefore nothing will happen. That's a great filled nonsense. The devs will look at the design like they did CW. No one had to scream and create threads. The designers of this game can look at the data and decide on their own even with our input to tweak some things.
You seem to believe that they will dismiss everything said on the forums and nothing in game will change because a minority. How about devs looking at the outcome and deciding minority or no things need be fixed.
you must be new. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting nonsense about how ppl weren't whining about CW as it was. Ppl are still whining about cw. And tr. And gwf. And GF. So everything but dc is op? K.
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
you must be new. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting nonsense about how ppl weren't whining about CW as it was. Ppl are still whining about cw. And tr. And gwf. And GF. So everything but dc is op? K.
I'm using common sense. CW was actually nerfed last patch on several different levels. I haven't seen a thread pop up since the patch. What I do is, thread about thread people are complaining directly about one class, and rightfully so. Its not a mixture of "This class is over powered" or "that one is over powered" ..I just see one class directly people are talking about.
I'll have to try this melee CW spec you guys are using. Maybe it is underpowered.
Ive had a few "Good" CW beat my GF/GWF and it was annoyingly simple, all they have to do is stay max range.
Even when one of them had let me into 40' and I lunge, they easily dodge it, wait 1 second and dodge again cuz most GF are going to try a frontline after a dodged Lunging. Now they have 6-7 seconds before lunging and 15-16 before frontline. In 7 sec a CW will have another blink, bringing them back to two blinks. Dodge lunging again and by then it should be over. If not repeat first step but then you ARE out of blinks, though you've had a full 30+ sec to dps a GF without him landing a single blow on you. As for GWF, when they sprint blink twice, If they're foolish and Unstoppable + Sprint it's even easier to dps once its off.
I'm using common sense. CW was actually nerfed last patch on several different levels. I haven't seen a thread pop up since the patch. What I do is, thread about thread people are complaining directly about one class, and rightfully so. Its not a mixture of "This class is over powered" or "that one is over powered" ..I just see one class directly people are talking about.
I don't see how your inability to read or browse the forums relates to your common sense or lack there of. You see what you want to see.
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fusedmassMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 252Bounty Hunter
I don't see how your inability to read or browse the forums relates to your common sense or lack there of. You see what you want to see.
I wish this was solely on my end. I just exited a PVP, in the party chat. I saw a man say "Why can't I beat Guardian 1 vs 1 now?" I didn't speak the entire time in the session, about anything. He said that, and I have no idea who he was. Even he could see it.
Its not what I want to see. I don't wish to see "guardians are over powered" threads. I am seeing it because they are there. its not there because I'm actively browsing looking for it. Sooner or later, you're going have to admit.
They are over powered, this over and over assurance the player its them not the actual class, when more then five threads popped up in past two weeks about this class alone. I don't recall seeing a CW or any other class since the patch.
I'll have to try this melee CW spec you guys are using. Maybe it is underpowered.
Ive had a few "Good" CW beat my GF/GWF and it was annoyingly simple, all they have to do is stay max range.
Even when one of them had let me into 40' and I lunge, they easily dodge it, wait 1 second and dodge again cuz most GF are going to try a frontline after a dodged Lunging. Now they have 6-7 seconds before lunging and 15-16 before frontline. In 7 sec a CW will have another blink, bringing them back to two blinks. Dodge lunging again and by then it should be over. If not repeat first step but then you ARE out of blinks, though you've had a full 30+ sec to dps a GF without him landing a single blow on you. As for GWF, when they sprint blink twice, If they're foolish and Unstoppable + Sprint it's even easier to dps once its off.
You think the wizard should out dps the fighter? why?
GF and GWF are just variants of Fighter, neither should do more dmg than the other given their respective trees nor do
Maybe its becuase your health pools and damage mitigation far outweigh the guy standing around in cloth armor. If they are going to give us HAMSTER amor etc shouldnt we make up for that somewhere. And save your HAMSTER about ccs they nerfed the timesframes on them and you can dodge them and iceknife as well.
Explain that nubarono.
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yushirokaneMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Oh man, this was pretty funny to read. Does OP even know what you're fighting? It doesn't seem so.
1) They have a greater burst damage then rogues
-No they don't. A GF burst is completely reliant on CD's, rogues have superior dmg from both CDs and at wills, GWFs do as well.
2) They have the best movement with a at will basically leap
-Do you mean encounter? or are you talking about the 20' threatening rush? The ability that sticks often unless the GF jumps while using it. Even then, it has a slow animation leaving the GF open for a good 3 sec without Guard being possible. If you are talking about Lunging; its one of the easiest moves in the game to dodge with 40' range.
3) They can pump out massive damage in little under 3 secs
-Every class but cleric can do that. Hell even clerics do decent dmg they just have no CC locks.
4) they have a At will stun... with a difference there stuns send opponents prone for 3 seconds
- Again do you mean encounter? The one with a 10' range? If you dodged lunging you're already out of range of it.
5) heavy armor class which means hard to damage
-Defense means near to nothing in well geared games, if defense is a problem for you. You have low end gear. It is by far the most worthless stat in PvP.
6) large health pool
- Yes. Correct. Both MELEE fighters have higher health pools than other classes.
7) a shield that can block nearly all stuns and attacks
- Yes again, thats 2. It can indeed block all CC but about 3-4 seconds worth of REAL dmg.
Conq spec is THE ONLY spec GF have since "release" months ago. Every GF is speced exactly the same in the exact same freats. This is not because they're good but because there is nothing else even close to viable in PvP. I myself made the mistake of Specing Prot to start, thinking there was a true tank and trinity in this game. GF has 1 spec, GWF has 2, TR has 2-3 and CW has 2 I don't play cleric so I have no clue on that.
GF is easy to kill with my TR and GWF and CW, Knowing their weaknesses from playin the class myself and most of them make the same mistakes such as holding block until their guard breaks and opening them to a CC chain. The Knight Challenge GF are the funniest. Yes, put a laser on me telling me where you are on the field and that you're about to lunging strike so I can dodge it. I just traded a dodge for 2 of your encounters, good job.
People post these threads because they either don't understand how to deal with guard mechanic or how to take advantage of range. Stop tryin to face tank a Fighter.
Now, this is a GOOD post from a guy that understands teh game and mechanics, you can learn a bit from him whiners
Maybe its becuase your health pools and damage mitigation far outweigh the guy standing around in cloth armor. If they are going to give us HAMSTER amor etc shouldnt we make up for that somewhere. And save your HAMSTER about ccs they nerfed the timesframes on them and you can dodge them and iceknife as well.
Explain that nubarono.
Okay, even though I'm pretty sure you and Fussdmas are just fluffing this post to get attention.
#1 Mages get cloth armor because they have 80' range and they are a ranged class.
#2 Mages SHOULD do the same dmg as a dmg based fighter and one could even argue a fighter should do more given melee restraints. But that entirely depends on the combat system.
#3 Fighters should have more HP and def because they are NOT ranged and they have to go all in when they want to attack and any PvPer in this game will tell you HP and Mitigation are bottom of the barrel for stats.
#4 If you noticed none of my examples even mentioned the fact you can buy distance and time with your CC's I left that out on purpose and stuck with the pure fact you CAN keep your distance without them.
#5 Neither fighter can dodge, wtf are you talking about. If you're trying to knife a guarding GF you're a fool.
Quit being a creep and looking through my posts I don't love you and if you want me to make a video of my CW you'll have to buy me dinner first. I do put out on the first date but I want a free dinner first.
I wish this was solely on my end. I just exited a PVP, in the party chat. I saw a man say "Why can't I beat Guardian 1 vs 1 now?" I didn't speak the entire time in the session, about anything. He said that, and I have no idea who he was. Even he could see it.
Its not what I want to see. I don't wish to see "guardians are over powered" threads. I am seeing it because they are there. its not there because I'm actively browsing looking for it. Sooner or later, you're going have to admit.
They are over powered, this over and over assurance the player its them not the actual class, when more then five threads popped up in past two weeks about this class alone. I don't recall seeing a CW or any other class since the patch.
Like I keep saying. Your inability to browse the forum isn't my problem. It's yours. Much like your class issue. So you found another ill informed player like yourself. I'm shocked. Still doesn't explain why my CW and gwf stomp gfs.
There are plenty of gwf tr and CW QQ threads. Denying this blatant fact just to further prove your mute point doesn't help your arguement any. I'm truely sorry you are having such issues. Still haven't explained how all my goons got bloodthirsty and hh titles. Must have just played all those matches without any gfs. Or maybe I played hundreds of bot games where I was the only active player in the arena. The planets must have aligned and pigs sprouted wings just for me.
The GF is overpowered in pvp there is no arguing it.
If there were no arguing it, then why does the topic persist? GF are classic tanks heavily armed and armored front loaded with long reloads before they can fire again. Frankly if people are having trouble with them I'd wager 90% of the time Knight's Challenge is involved with a knockdown.
If there were no arguing it, then why does the topic persist? GF are classic tanks heavily armed and armored front loaded with long reloads before they can fire again. Frankly if people are having trouble with them I'd wager 90% of the time Knight's Challenge is involved with a knockdown.
Removing knight challenge would eliminate 80% of this babbling brigade.
Removing knight challenge would eliminate 80% of this babbling brigade.
Knight's Challenge will only screw you against a good player.
It relies on you're other encounters being up. Frontline works with your CDs buying more time for each.
And anyone with a brain will see the laser and dodge the incoming lunging strike. After they dodge it they're out of range of bullrush and your best gap closer is on CD. Threatening rush does little dmg and will leave you open to CC. At that point a TR will just range knife/impact shot you down a GWF will take your lung/bullrush and if they didn't double crit he will unstoppable break your guard in 2 seconds and CC lock you down and a CW will get double dmg on someone who can't hit back at all for 6-7 seconds, they'll likely dodge that next lunging and you're still stuck.
There's the idea you could slot lunging, frontline, Knight's but then you've got two long easily dodged CDs. Ive never tried that myself but doesn't seem any better in thought.
Knight's Challenge is great for killing people who double tap dodge.
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Oh but yea, they can nerf that ability into the ground. I just don't want to give credit to people who die from it as an initiator, not that I haven't died from it but it was in a situation where I was dodged out and KC or not I prolly would have died.
Spot on except that timless is the preferred pvp set. Stalwart is the preferred pve set.
i tried both crit and high def
tineless = glass cannon its def is lower than t1 set except for valiant warrior
stalwart = high def and deflect and gives 8k+ power you can focus on getting arpen and crit
deflect makes your GF last a lot longer i can even do 3v1 and kill 1 with normal gears rank5 enchant
When GF's here start blabbing about blink and CW's cc ... that's when I know they're full of bs and just defend a broken mechanic cause they benefit from it.
Blink might let you dodge, but it's not getting you out of range of other **** GF throws your way, so you can't cast anything. You stop to cast, so stop-lose range-die.
CC barely holds the target enough to compensate for time you spend to cast it and you have the means to ignore it.
You get ton of health/def and ignore cc abilities for giving up range ... and then get range anyway.
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If your cws are losing dmg meters to a GF somethings wrong. With you.
No. Their is not. This is type of self elitist "Learn to play" rhetoric that irate me slightly. CW are there not to do insane dps but to control, its not in their spec to do max DPS. However I ran a dungeon with a Guardian and behold he nearly was top DPS again, beating out almost every single person expect me by just a few numbers.
A: No its not me
B: I know how to play
I have experimented with his, running numerous dungeons and doing PVP. Most, if not all of the time in the Dungeon the Tank ends up out DPSing by a large number every other class there. I am equipped in T2 Gear, with a rotation and spells learned from the forum.
Everything on my end is fine. Why is it so hard to admit, they are over powered. I mean, does everyone think its just by chance dozens of threads pile on the same class. Then to say "Oh never mind its just you. I'm going dismiss all those threads"
How can you ignore the logic on the forums. If people wanted to complain for sake of complaining, we'd be hearing about every class being over powered. I counted at least five separate threads talking about how over powered they are. This came after the latest patch.
So debate is over if they're over powered. Just how they're over powered, what changed. They should not be out dpsing pure DPS class and doing massive damage in PVP.
probably because forum whiners are the minority. This is a statistical fact. I have 60 CW gwf and gf all geared. All of them consistantly top pvp charts as well as dmg meters. Sorry to say it is in fact a L2P issue.
Does anyone get the feeling, people who are defending them claiming its more of a learn to play issue, actually have guardians. For example. CW got a nerf last patch, we didn't have people ranting and raving on the forums. The devs knew there to be an issue and took the solution for it.
Now there is an obvious problem, the forums are flooding with complaints of only one class. The complaint is they are able to stun a target in PVP, drop them below half health then before the target can respond (still stunned) kill them easily or that I'm able to use more then three spells and not even gain it down to half its health.
Its not learn to play. I play very well. Its a game issue. Or do you think people just making threads because they feel like it.
I believe I already answered your question in my previous post. You... the people whining balance on the forums... are the minority of the player base. This is a statistical FACT. Considering my CW and gwf are performing just as well as my gf, pre and post patch says enough. Unless I'm just magically the best player around.
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1) They have a greater burst damage then rogues
-No they don't. A GF burst is completely reliant on CD's, rogues have superior dmg from both CDs and at wills, GWFs do as well.
2) They have the best movement with a at will basically leap
-Do you mean encounter? or are you talking about the 20' threatening rush? The ability that sticks often unless the GF jumps while using it. Even then, it has a slow animation leaving the GF open for a good 3 sec without Guard being possible. If you are talking about Lunging; its one of the easiest moves in the game to dodge with 40' range.
3) They can pump out massive damage in little under 3 secs
-Every class but cleric can do that. Hell even clerics do decent dmg they just have no CC locks.
4) they have a At will stun... with a difference there stuns send opponents prone for 3 seconds
- Again do you mean encounter? The one with a 10' range? If you dodged lunging you're already out of range of it.
5) heavy armor class which means hard to damage
-Defense means near to nothing in well geared games, if defense is a problem for you. You have low end gear. It is by far the most worthless stat in PvP.
6) large health pool
- Yes. Correct. Both MELEE fighters have higher health pools than other classes.
7) a shield that can block nearly all stuns and attacks
- Yes again, thats 2. It can indeed block all CC but about 3-4 seconds worth of REAL dmg.
Conq spec is THE ONLY spec GF have since "release" months ago. Every GF is speced exactly the same in the exact same freats. This is not because they're good but because there is nothing else even close to viable in PvP. I myself made the mistake of Specing Prot to start, thinking there was a true tank and trinity in this game. GF has 1 spec, GWF has 2, TR has 2-3 and CW has 2 I don't play cleric so I have no clue on that.
GF is easy to kill with my TR and GWF and CW, Knowing their weaknesses from playin the class myself and most of them make the same mistakes such as holding block until their guard breaks and opening them to a CC chain. The Knight Challenge GF are the funniest. Yes, put a laser on me telling me where you are on the field and that you're about to lunging strike so I can dodge it. I just traded a dodge for 2 of your encounters, good job.
People post these threads because they either don't understand how to deal with guard mechanic or how to take advantage of range. Stop tryin to face tank a Fighter.
Intelligent posts from well informed players who have knowledge on all classes not just the class they play is always refreshing.
It seems you say this all over the place. I havent seen you actually post advice at all as to how to play them. Just l2play. I notice you PVP with your guildies. So you play premade vs pug. Actually it can be easy to dominate on all classes in a premade vs scrubs.
You seem like a HAMSTER to me.
Yep they hit them hard with the nerf bat.
Your saying since we're on the forums its useless. Of course we are a fraction of the game. Using you're logic, a person cannot protest against an injustice because we're on the forums, and no matter how many people are convinced on here.
You are convinced its a minority therefore nothing will happen. That's a great filled nonsense. The devs will look at the design like they did CW. No one had to scream and create threads. The designers of this game can look at the data and decide on their own even with our input to tweak some things.
You seem to believe that they will dismiss everything said on the forums and nothing in game will change because a minority. How about devs looking at the outcome and deciding minority or no things need be fixed.
Considering there are only two ppl in said guild that me and 1 friend made i don't see how that's possible. Try again. I pug my way to victory.
you must be new. Otherwise you wouldn't be spouting nonsense about how ppl weren't whining about CW as it was. Ppl are still whining about cw. And tr. And gwf. And GF. So everything but dc is op? K.
I'm using common sense. CW was actually nerfed last patch on several different levels. I haven't seen a thread pop up since the patch. What I do is, thread about thread people are complaining directly about one class, and rightfully so. Its not a mixture of "This class is over powered" or "that one is over powered" ..I just see one class directly people are talking about.
Ive had a few "Good" CW beat my GF/GWF and it was annoyingly simple, all they have to do is stay max range.
Even when one of them had let me into 40' and I lunge, they easily dodge it, wait 1 second and dodge again cuz most GF are going to try a frontline after a dodged Lunging. Now they have 6-7 seconds before lunging and 15-16 before frontline. In 7 sec a CW will have another blink, bringing them back to two blinks. Dodge lunging again and by then it should be over. If not repeat first step but then you ARE out of blinks, though you've had a full 30+ sec to dps a GF without him landing a single blow on you. As for GWF, when they sprint blink twice, If they're foolish and Unstoppable + Sprint it's even easier to dps once its off.
I don't see how your inability to read or browse the forums relates to your common sense or lack there of. You see what you want to see.
I wish this was solely on my end. I just exited a PVP, in the party chat. I saw a man say "Why can't I beat Guardian 1 vs 1 now?" I didn't speak the entire time in the session, about anything. He said that, and I have no idea who he was. Even he could see it.
Its not what I want to see. I don't wish to see "guardians are over powered" threads. I am seeing it because they are there. its not there because I'm actively browsing looking for it. Sooner or later, you're going have to admit.
They are over powered, this over and over assurance the player its them not the actual class, when more then five threads popped up in past two weeks about this class alone. I don't recall seeing a CW or any other class since the patch.
This below is why you are not bright.
Maybe its becuase your health pools and damage mitigation far outweigh the guy standing around in cloth armor. If they are going to give us HAMSTER amor etc shouldnt we make up for that somewhere. And save your HAMSTER about ccs they nerfed the timesframes on them and you can dodge them and iceknife as well.
Explain that nubarono.
Now, this is a GOOD post from a guy that understands teh game and mechanics, you can learn a bit from him whiners
Okay, even though I'm pretty sure you and Fussdmas are just fluffing this post to get attention.
#1 Mages get cloth armor because they have 80' range and they are a ranged class.
#2 Mages SHOULD do the same dmg as a dmg based fighter and one could even argue a fighter should do more given melee restraints. But that entirely depends on the combat system.
#3 Fighters should have more HP and def because they are NOT ranged and they have to go all in when they want to attack and any PvPer in this game will tell you HP and Mitigation are bottom of the barrel for stats.
#4 If you noticed none of my examples even mentioned the fact you can buy distance and time with your CC's I left that out on purpose and stuck with the pure fact you CAN keep your distance without them.
#5 Neither fighter can dodge, wtf are you talking about. If you're trying to knife a guarding GF you're a fool.
Quit being a creep and looking through my posts I don't love you and if you want me to make a video of my CW you'll have to buy me dinner first. I do put out on the first date but I want a free dinner first.
Like I keep saying. Your inability to browse the forum isn't my problem. It's yours. Much like your class issue. So you found another ill informed player like yourself. I'm shocked. Still doesn't explain why my CW and gwf stomp gfs.
There are plenty of gwf tr and CW QQ threads. Denying this blatant fact just to further prove your mute point doesn't help your arguement any. I'm truely sorry you are having such issues. Still haven't explained how all my goons got bloodthirsty and hh titles. Must have just played all those matches without any gfs. Or maybe I played hundreds of bot games where I was the only active player in the arena. The planets must have aligned and pigs sprouted wings just for me.
Removing knight challenge would eliminate 80% of this babbling brigade.
Knight's Challenge will only screw you against a good player.
It relies on you're other encounters being up. Frontline works with your CDs buying more time for each.
And anyone with a brain will see the laser and dodge the incoming lunging strike. After they dodge it they're out of range of bullrush and your best gap closer is on CD. Threatening rush does little dmg and will leave you open to CC. At that point a TR will just range knife/impact shot you down a GWF will take your lung/bullrush and if they didn't double crit he will unstoppable break your guard in 2 seconds and CC lock you down and a CW will get double dmg on someone who can't hit back at all for 6-7 seconds, they'll likely dodge that next lunging and you're still stuck.
There's the idea you could slot lunging, frontline, Knight's but then you've got two long easily dodged CDs. Ive never tried that myself but doesn't seem any better in thought.
Knight's Challenge is great for killing people who double tap dodge.
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Oh but yea, they can nerf that ability into the ground. I just don't want to give credit to people who die from it as an initiator, not that I haven't died from it but it was in a situation where I was dodged out and KC or not I prolly would have died.
i tried both crit and high def
tineless = glass cannon its def is lower than t1 set except for valiant warrior
stalwart = high def and deflect and gives 8k+ power you can focus on getting arpen and crit
deflect makes your GF last a lot longer i can even do 3v1 and kill 1 with normal gears rank5 enchant
Blink might let you dodge, but it's not getting you out of range of other **** GF throws your way, so you can't cast anything. You stop to cast, so stop-lose range-die.
CC barely holds the target enough to compensate for time you spend to cast it and you have the means to ignore it.
You get ton of health/def and ignore cc abilities for giving up range ... and then get range anyway.