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You took the easy way out of designing more animations by pigeon holing us into very restrictive class builds. Then only gave us five builds. This is not acceptable. Players want options. Players want to feel unique. Sure, we have aesthetic differences, but my character is pretty much identical to every Trickster Rogue of my level in terms of what I can do. The only difference is in the gear. People are leaving in droves, and it's hard to get any of my D&D buddies to give this game a chance once they discover how limited the class system is. Please, drop everything else, and get to work on this. We don't need nerfs and buffs. We don't need more mounts. We don't need more companions. We don't need a dungeon that only guilds can participate in. We need classes. And LOTS of them, fast. Not just one or two every six months.
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A rise in the average IQ of this playerbase is not a bad thing, it's a good thing.
But yeah I'm saving up and as soon as I can afford gw2 I'm gone.
I am not a huge D&D fan but my wife is. She grew up on it.
And as soon as I said the classes she flipped a brick and was like
"They didn't even have the decency to put in an archer!!" (with some colorful vocabulary thrown in.
But yeah the lack of classes and class builds is a joke. IDC if you had to be in development stage for another year, in mmos you NEED classes.
Hell instead of letting everyone do professions, you could have made profession classes, a blacksmith and an alchemist, 2 classes right there and let their "skill" points go toward improving base eq they produce.
But yeah, this game is going downhill. Takes 1 week of casual gameplay to get to 60 and with 2 weeks of decent try hard-ness you can have the best eqs in the game. Depending if you spend money or not.
Not much about this game was thought out.
And I know that people say "well its only been out for a month"
And that's fine, however mmos are competitive. I spent $20 on this game, was planning on easily spending $400+ a year, but my money is gonna have to go to gw2..it looks way better.
Classes can wait until the game is less of a buggy mess.
GW2 has a little more diversity, but it's not WAY better than this. GW1 was vastly superior in terms of customization IMO.
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I've heard this being said over and over, sadly I agree
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You spent $20 on this game and planned to spend maybe $400 on it over the course of the year but as soon as you save money for GW2 your off?
I think your talking utter smack and havent spent a penny but same as yours its just an opinion
Patience isn't really the problem here. There is also way less builds than D3 (which I agree was a pile of ****), and D3 isn't even an MMO. Just because each class has 3 paragon trees doesn't mean for a second that any or all of them are viable. The best build for a Guardian Fighter is their DPS tree, does that make any sense? There is an extreme lack of endgame content and like the OP said, it's too easy to reach endgame and get your BiS gear. Running poorly designed 5-mans whose main boss strategies are "kite the adds and burn the boss" isn't going to keep any serious MMO-er's attention for long. People are maxing out and moving on and the only way to keep them coming back is to create more content. They haven't garnered much trust in the playerbase as far as endgame content, so creating more classes and diversity seems to be the best option.
Also, this is D&D. A game concept that has literally thrived on its inherent customization ranging from character to quest. How does this game set itself apart from other MMOs right now aside from the Foundry system which is fairly limited as well? How does Neverwinter identify as a D&D game besides taking place in Faerun, one of many D&D settings? There should be a much more flexible class system and everyone is talking about it in some capacity, whether about expanding the current options or adding new classes. Personally I was appalled that there wasn't at least the entire set of main core classes. Druid, Ranger, Bard, Pally, and Monk should have made the release build for sure. And what then? Will there be 3 types of druid, 3 types of ranger, etc... We already have two fighters so we know it's going to look something like that.
Personally I find it hard to attach to my TR or CW. Knowing that as soon as we can role a two blade ranger or scourge warlock they will be relegated to alt status. But the reality is we will get the classes when they come and not before. They'd release them if they were done.
Which means changes to existing feats.
If they are only adding one tree to each existing class, that's about 40 new skills + the base skills of a new class and ~ 16 paragon skills for that class, along with reworked feats. Add 2 paragon trees instead of 1? 102 new paragon skills.
Who is this "we?" That is only you and the few people who agree with you.
Hell no. Two or three every six months is perfectly fine. That's more than can be asked of any MMO currently. Do you really think that new classes, skills, trees, and feats just poof out of the air free of bugs and exploits and are perfectly balanced? Cryptic can barely manage five classes, and some are still bugged.
Now i'm not saying that we don't need more classes. We do. But rushing ahead on this, simply for the sake of appeasement, when there is so much still undone seems foolish.
Personally, the idea to push the launch forward with the bare minimum, and build on it from there. Was a poor idea. The game shoulda had more to start with. But you cant unbreak eggs. This is what we have, and id rather we stick to the plan, as slow as it might be. Then to rush classes in, just because people want them now!
I could make nothing but human fighters in games for the rest of my life, and every one of them would be unique.
You're keen on defining things, aren't you? The we is him and the people that agree with him, yeah, duh. And it's more than just a few, so open your eyes pal. All you've done is define parameters and I don't think you understand the direction they are taking with the paragon "classes". They will not be adding more trees to the classes anytime soon, that would be ludicrous. They will tweak and rework but you're looking at the hunk of it already. You don't actually gain anything right now by choosing your paragon, it only allows you to progress further in the Power Tree. Your power tree choices do not affect your feat tree choices. There is no room for expanding the current system without doing what you're suggesting, which is ridiculous. So let's stop being silly and realize what the best option for change is.
One class at a time means that they have to provide an incentive for you to continue playing your current main class, which doesn't exist in the current game content. If you slow leak the classes, people will be oversaturating the newest one and leaving the older classes in the dust. Another factor that leaves players feeling detached from their characters. Multiple classes released together means that people get to try out the classes that they like and maybe people start buying character slots because they have all these choices to try. The classes that already existed will be abandoned by people who are bored with them or just want something new, but the idea is that groups will have more diversity and in turn, dungeons will have more strategies. Which strikes at what all serious MMO players play MMOs for; the excitement of conquering complex fights using teamwork and strategy. This also means that new players will be able to pick up the original classes without feeling like their role is overplayed or unnecessary. The game has a serious lack of content and depth, and MMO vets know well by now when to give up on a game.
Agreed, they rushed the live build as it is and you can't just shove classes into the game because of balance issues. What is killing everybody the most is Cryptic's unwillingness to even discuss future class options. If I had my way, they wouldn't have gone "live" until we had more classes, more in depth end game, less bugs and less "buy this thing so you can do that thing". The economy of free to play w/ microtransactions is completely artificial anyhow. You can get BiS too quickly and everything feels so cheap.
Druid, Ranger, Bard, Pally and Monk are not core classes.
Monk is far from being a core D&D class.
More classes are in the works.
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Here's what I don't:
Patience is key, period. The OP here is just yet another load of bull, yet another Chicken Little, from someone who wants it all and wats it NOW. Solution: Patience. Rome was not built in a day. To go back to Diablo... the second title in the seires was merely "good" on release, it wasn't until the the expansion that it became what we remember it as: "great".
In the case of most, if not all, MMOs, Day One release versions are works-in-progress. I have a lot of experience with this: Ultima, Shadowbane, Guild Wars, to name a few. Day One, or Version 1.0, of MMOs, hell of MANY games, is never as good as the game ends up being down the line. Or in Cryptics history that I was a part of - City of Heroes? Crappy in Issue 1, but by Issue 3 or 4 it started getting good (partly because Jack Emmert was told to stop jacking with stuff, the first but not last time Cryptic would have to do that).
So, yeah, patience is the key. Those who don't have it, tend to cry DOOOM, like this thread right here. Me? I'll wait - since, you know... good things are worth waiting for.
Ranger, Bard, Paladin, and Monk are not core classes? Wow, 4E is worse than I ever suspected.
I've played every Neverwinter video game since 1991, and they all had pvp. The last Official D&D product I purchased was D&D miniatures, back when it was a DCI sanctioned tournament pvp game.
D&D itself was based on an earlier game called Chainmail, which was a purely pvp.
Pvper's have been here since the start. We are not as fickle as you seem to think, so long as we are given the proper product support we need.
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Well, he's off base since the devs have already dropped enough hints that the Ranger will be in Module 1 that I'm almost to the point of thinking it's a lock.
As a side note theyre adding new weapons and armor models in the upcoming feywild module, and im VERY excited for this.
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It just seems half baked.
While i agree that pvp is important, its rarely the biggest part of the game, it also takes constant balance tweaking as the new flavor of the month comes around. I really think its a bad idea to hold of new class and path choices for the sake of pvp. New classes will take a bunch more balance tuning so i think it would be better to just get them out and go from there.
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I very much want to play different classes... Druid, paladin, monk... Some of my favorites.
I do understand the need to limit equipment types to classes as well. If you can equip anything you're proficient in, then you have fighters rolling need on rogue gear. (Don't pretend it wouldn't happen... We all know better!) However, different model options for each level would be nice.. Or even a full customization thing like in Neverwinter Nights, where you could use the crafting skills to modify the appearance of your weapons and armor. Note, I'm not saying that you make all customization options open to all.. Just give a few different looks for each part of the armor, and the different parts of the weapon. Hell, you could even sell customization packs on the zen store. Make some more money while making people happier.