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were the buffs to the GWF enough ?
hedas8
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Hedas 60 GWF.
Hrod 60 GF.
Alain Loreweaver 60 CW.
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Hedas 60 GWF.
Hrod 60 GF.
Alain Loreweaver 60 CW.
Dragon.
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While what was changed is great fact is all the at-wills should have been buffed the same amount as SS and WS were. WMS and Reaping needed the same level of damage buff. Even though I don't use Reaping I do use WMS as my primary AoE attack at-will.
Also the damage causing encounters could have been buffed a bit too.
What's weird is for a AoE DPS class the Damage encounters, with the exceptions of Not so fast (which was buffed), and Roar, which does do decent damage, but to me seems strange for a GWF as it pushes the enemy away from the GWF which IMHO is the last thing a GWF wants is to have his enemies outside the range of his sword swing. But maybe that's just me.
Back to encounters, Knockdown, restoring strike, Flourish and IBS are all single target attacks which seems kind of weird for an AoE based class, but then again we do need that little bit of extra damage when we do get in a 1 on 1 situation.
I also think that many of the Paragon feats need to move away from being so situational/conditional.
I disagree. I play both a GF and GWF and the only upside of the GWF is more time of CC immunity, I don't think its crazy to expect similar levels of control and more damage than a GF as a GWF. If you compare feats like disciple of strength 6% for GWF 15% for GF/TR and other victims of the BW4 nerf this class seems a long way from a "balanced" unless you really enjoy playing the underdog, I think the best place to start is by giving GWF realiable damage on at wills and better CC on encounters such as knockdown on not so fast (even if only on crits) or change reaping strike to slow animation heavy damage/knockdown attack such as the mace wielding gnoll "fang" from the blackdagger area.
in general, I think the devs are overestimating the GWF pros, and underestimating the cons.
Hedas 60 GWF.
Hrod 60 GF.
Alain Loreweaver 60 CW.
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I'd love to see the Destroyer tree do something to give bonus lifesteal. Lifesteal combined with Slam makes for amazing sustain when coupled with Unstoppable.
Damage would be nice, but even a little more staying power would feel neat, to me.
I would not ask for too much more for the GF though. Daring shout is currently broken it is no longer generating Determination per enemy hit. I have seen no patch notes on that so this obviously needs to be fixed. The sentinel threat buffs for Daring SHout and Come and get it do not compare to the threat generated from the GWFs other AOE damage moves strckly form just dealing damage. With the sentinal buffs these moves need to make more threat than damage moves or else whats the point of the threat buffs.
And GWF encounter powers still need a damage buff. It is nice having a roll in the party again but when your party wants you to DPS a boss because they could not get a rogue you Know that you have nothing that can hold a candle to the rogue. GWF should have better single target damage options.
Wow what did you do play to level 2? Try it at 60 then come back to me. Posts like this are so counter-productive.
Don't believe me? Try it out.
Nah, I can completely disagree with this. My current GS is only 10.2 and I do fine. Once you get up there the damage goes up, especially if you're paying attention to how to use your powers and feats.
No I played each class to level 30 This was more than enough time spent to see how the patch fairs on low level classes. I have played GWF to 30 in every beta weekend. I would like to see the GWF perform on par with the other classes low levels since I see the game as mor ethan just lv 60 and onward.
People still want 2 cw/2 dc in their grp rogues just get 1 space because they so viable anymore when more than 1.
In PvE, not much difference either. Q-E-R all together will remove 25% of the elite's life, if you follow with the Daily then you might reach almost 50%. But at least, unlike PvP, the skills do hit the target.
For me the only difference is that Sure Strike is now back in my At-wills. But then, being able to use a single-target At-will to hit a single target is more a bug fix than a balance patch.
With this said, one of my guildies is a very happy GWF and feels over-powered. True, he just reached 60 and equipped expensive gear such as the Ancient Castle, he has everything gemmed (including pants and shirt). His feeling of Over-Poweredness may come from his reaching 60 rather than from the patch.
PVP has changed a ton for GWF, I think you are mistaken here.
How it generally goes now; Your dazed, your dazed, your dazed, UNSTOPPABLE, your healed, people are struggling to damage you. GWF is now tanky in pvp which is something it really needed.
The issue of being kited still remains though which was the biggest problem in the first place. At least now with temp hp from unstoppable the other classes will struggle greatly to kill you while kiting you.
As it see it GWF is great in PVP atm. The class still isnt' good 1v1 vs. anyone that can kite you, but if you have support, such as a CW, that can control a target so they can't kite, or can't kite as well, you can land your cc as well as do alot of damage and have the advantage of hitting unstoppable if they try to kill you.
GWF is by far the best class to go solo cap an undefended base. If someone comes to recap the base you can stand on teh flag for quite some time and just tank the damage that is being done to you. If more than 1 comes you can also run away better than pretty much every other class.
I think he's still at level 23.
Can we please have people that actually PVP discuss here? I am a GF and the only thing I do is pvp. GWF is the most overpowered class in the game right now. Not only can they beat ANYBODY on a 1v1 now, but they are also able to pretty much "tank" a group of 5 players FOCUSING on him / her WHILE regaining health. GWF are a beast now IF you don't generally suck.
This is how my fights with GWF go now:
round one: Almost kill GWF, GWF becomes IMMUNE, and also regains health close to 100%
round two: Same deal as round one, except now I have 50% health.
round three: I am dead because this GWF manages to become immune, regain health when he is almost down.
Or, I like how we have 5 people on base 2 then comes a GWF taking ALL THE DAMAGE from the ENTIRE TEAM, while killing people and regaining health.
It's pretty broken, if you still lose with a GWF in pvp you should REALLY consider quitting this game.
First and foremost the GWF I feel should be given a slight system tweak that is sort of like how the mages (TAB) ability works but different. For a GWF here's how I think it should work. Each passive (Class Feature) should add a new effect to all encounter and at will abilities allowing for the mix-n-matching of two extra bonus effects. Each Class feature slotted has a particular bonus and use.. From what I've seen tho most opt for the same two at end game no matter what they are doing pvp or pve unless they are trying to off tank because everyone wants more determination gains to be even remotely effective and oh yeah.. crit crit crit or forget it.. So having said that I'll use one of our class abilities as an example below (See Reaping Strike) to show how some tweaks might spice things up a bit and make other passives worth using.
Reaping Strike should be changed drastically. I know it adds to our determination but at what cost? Moving so slow you can't position yourself well enough to use it and doing abysmal damage if you do hit? Let's face it it's the attack that is basically worthless from level 2-60. Here's some suggestions for it..
Reaping strike. I think the best way to fix reaping strike is making it's effect be changed by which class features are active. Such as Destroyer gives a LARGE Damage boost, Steadfast determination gives the increased determination gains & Movement speed buff after using it, Bravery gives a big boost to defense & movement speed buff while using it & threat generation buff lasting 3s per stack up to a max of 3 stacks for a few seconds after use or make the time flat bonus and the amount of threat based on 3 stacks, Weapon master makes it have the instant no charge up requirement and bonus chance to crit, etc. This same type of situation should be applied to every ability but especially this one as it is literally the only other ability we have for AOE for half the game at the very least..
Restoring strike - Destroyer - Increases the damage of this ability. Steadfast determination makes the ability also add to determination such as 5%. Bravery - Increases the healing effect by 50%-100% more than it's current value.. Weapon Master - Allows the ability to be used twice within 12s or reduces the cooldown by 50%.
Mighty Leap - Increase range by a significant amount period.. Destroyer - Increases the size of the AOE of this ability. Bravery - gives a short term Heal over time healing something like 5/10/15% HP over 12s, Stead fast Determination - +1/3/5% determination per target hit, Weapon Master - Increase the damage of the ability by a significant amount.
I could easily continue on with this for each of the other abilities but I think this should properly illustrate the point. I might come back and add more later if anyone shows interest in it..
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I pretty much always kill a GWF in a straight 1v1 on my rogue or on my CW. Either that or he runs away. In team fights they can kill me pretty easily though if a CW lands a choke on me or something so he can close the gap and land takedown. They are pretty tanky now though, but for a melee only class with no shift dodge, they need a way to survive while they get kited.
Not sure if they are overpowered personally. If they are I wouldn't say it's something drastic and gamebreaking.
Just my opinion though, I know some people that would agree with you that GWF is too strong.
Except that the game isn't just pvp. People feeling that the class has issues getting groups has nothing to do with viability in pvp. That there are mechanical issues with the class is a valid concern.