Its in poor taste, and takes the fun out of it. I believe its a side effect of involving real money in a video game. It turns some players whom had standards into exploiters and attracts a large crowd of "specialist" exploiters whom cheating and cutting corners is an actual gameplay "strategy" or "style". In short, this creates a pool of money grubbing *****s whose primary function is material gain instead of enjoying game content.
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bellaralodunMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
Lets just hope it gets fixed soon so people can just stop complaining about it.
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falson1Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 135Bounty Hunter
There's all kinds of cheaters. "using terraign to your advantage" is a gray area. Some cheaters just love to cheat - its part of their playstyle. They will argue tooth and nail that just because they CAN, that its the intended game play and therefore vindicates them of all repercussions. They are wrong. If they are not playing the game the way it was attended, they are cheating in my book. If they dont want to "kill the mobs in the way", they are cheating in my book. Simple as that. Now again, they'll fight tooth and nail. Too bad, you are cheating.
Best thing to do is report anyone taking advantage of the terrain, or any other part of the game. Report the areas where they cheated, so that it can be patched in a later update.
That's the nice thing about Neverwinter, because you decide the type you play with, you do not need to associate yourselves with that type of play. The great majority of players will always play honestly. You just need to seek them out.
Pro tip: Check out some of the the guilds in Neverwinter, and inquire with their guild leader if they tolerate that type play or not. What they say, and how they say it, means something.
OP i totaly understand ure position, however exploiting is self regulating in a way.
1. prices drop because of them, resulting in even less rewards for the exploiters in time. Making the game even more borring for them as they already think it is (obviuesly if u use exploits u are not playing for "fun" but are playing for the greed and to be an economy tycoon)
2. by using the exploit's they get attention from the dev's, be it now ore in 4 months, they wil get adressed.
3. exploiters wil have finished the game in 2 weeks tops and get bored so easily they have the most potential of leaving, so by exploiting they are doing the community a favor. (i dont think the community needs greedy people like them to create a fun mmo community)
I totaly understand u because i also play for fun, a rare currency in the current gaming age where ego seems to trump any sense of honor ore achievement. And people joining a DUNGEONS & dragons game who refuse to kill trash and clear out dungeons, wel i think that says enuf and they should find another game to play.
I dont care if it takes my characters 2 months to gear up ore 5 months, as long as i farmed it all the hard way, in that fashion i ensure that I feel pride when looking at my character at the end of it all. Instead of visiting the AH buying 10k+ GS then roflstomping some dungeons, and going "pfffs endgame sux, so borring, fail cryptic".
-itheryel-
(bash away at me u greedy HAMSTER's )
Edit : just to be clear here, i also think the dungeons arent very unrewarding atm, and i have hopes this wil be adressed by cryptic if the community post's this enuf of times. However the exploiters wont post things like that because it is already "rewarding" for them. In that sense they dont help remove the issue they are experiencing and result's in them being "forced" to exploit. I agree trash should drop more usuable items to allow people to enjoy clearing trash mobs.
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falson1Member, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 135Bounty Hunter
"Shortcuts (speaking of natural shortcuts, not glitching) in dungeons seem to be there by design, if not, then why ban someone for using the terrain to their advantage?
Same goes for using pillars, etc. for spreading out the party versus bosses and sniping. I call it good ****ing tactics, so stop whining about it! When has an army general ever said, "Well troops we're not gonna position snipers and artillary above on the enemy's flank, out of their range, because it's JUST NOT ****ING FAIR!" LOL
Maybe cheats should be better defined by the devs, dunno." - My original post that you trolled, you moron.
just saying that you need to...........reeeeeeeead. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ can form what we call "words", which together form a logical thought (something you failed to master).
*drops the mike*
cya later folks!
Well it looks like the Moderator agrees with me and you are 100% wrong. You fail again.
While I agree that the loot in dungeons isn't the greatest, and at times fighting the same mobs can get a bit tedious, I enjoy the hell out of running dungeons and find it a lot of fun working my way to the boss at the end.
Sometimes I really hate people who are in such a hurry we can't even enjoy the scenery the devs have worked so hard on.
There's all kinds of cheaters. "using terraign to your advantage" is a gray area. Some cheaters just love to cheat - its part of their playstyle. They will argue tooth and nail that just because they CAN, that its the intended game play and therefore vindicates them of all repercussions. They are wrong. If they are not playing the game the way it was attended, they are cheating in my book. If they dont want to "kill the mobs in the way", they are cheating in my book. Simple as that. Now again, they'll fight tooth and nail. Too bad, you are cheating.
Best thing to do is report anyone taking advantage of the terrain, or any other part of the game. Report the areas where they cheated, so that it can be patched in a later update.
That's the nice thing about Neverwinter, because you decide the type you play with, you do not need to associate yourselves with that type of play. The great majority of players will always play honestly. You just need to seek them out.
Pro tip: Check out some of the the guilds in Neverwinter, and inquire with their guild leader if they tolerate that type play or not. What they say, and how they say it, means something.
Devs could define this "grey area" better imo. Despite my contrary position versus the OP, I do not like to cheat in order to gain a piece of virtual equipment made of 1's and 0's. I do like to find tactical advantages (natural terrain) versus bosses that hit for my hp total and have, themselves, millions of hps (i think).
Skipping small groups of enemies once in a while doesn't seem like cheating to me atm. If the Devs define this as cheating, then that's that. Grey areas can be easy deconvoluted (to use a spectroscopy term).
"Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny" - Frank Zappa
Devs could define this "grey area" better imo. Despite my contrary position versus the OP, I do not like to cheat in order to gain a piece of virtual equipment made of 1's and 0's. I do like to find tactical advantages (natural terrain) versus bosses that hit for my hp total and have, themselves, millions of hps (i think).
Skipping small groups of enemies once in a while doesn't seem like cheating to me atm. If the Devs define this as cheating, then that's that. Grey areas can be easy deconvoluted (to use a spectroscopy term).
It does not matter what is cheating to you.
Thanks Mod to clear facts out and thanks in advance for fixing the maps :-)
The fact that most people cheat is an indication that people no longer play mmos for fun and adventure. They play it to get little trinkets and rewards that fulfill the conditioning.
Devs could define this "grey area" better imo. Despite my contrary position versus the OP, I do not like to cheat in order to gain a piece of virtual equipment made of 1's and 0's. I do like to find tactical advantages (natural terrain) versus bosses that hit for my hp total and have, themselves, millions of hps (i think).
Skipping small groups of enemies once in a while doesn't seem like cheating to me atm. If the Devs define this as cheating, then that's that. Grey areas can be easy deconvoluted (to use a spectroscopy term).
I think this person should be watched. Its obvious they use these cheats as they have defended them tooth and nail until the moderator shows up. This person needs their account investigated, I will open a ticket now. I have not seen this much back peddling in a long time ROFL!!
Skipping small groups of enemies once in a while doesn't seem like cheating to me atm.
Oh I agree there... depending on how you avoid them. There's good strategy, and then there outright cheating. These are just going to contain grey areas. No game developer can fill in all the blanks there.
However you have outright cheating. if you are rubbing your character against a wall to push through an immovable object, and it lets you through... and its impossible and illogical to do in real life, its something that probably needs to be fixed. You either report it, or use it to cheat. Games this large need the help of the community at large to help them... and reporting bugs are always the way to go.
However, walking around the edge of a room to avoid a group of mobs because you are low on hp and you are out of pots, that's just pure strategy..
Thanks Mod to clear facts out and thanks in advance for fixing the maps :-)
Like I said, "If the Devs define this as cheating, then that's that."
No big deal to me. Being definitive (Devs) can be a monumental task when there is such varied opinion about such grey areas. I am willing to admit I am wrong if presented with a reasonable argument, as oppose to many (not necessarily you) just labeling those, who find tactical advantages within the natural terrain, as "cheaters".
"Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny" - Frank Zappa
Oh I agree there... depending on how you avoid them. There's good strategy, and then there outright cheating. These are just going to contain grey areas. No game developer can fill in all the blanks there.
However you have outright cheating. if you are rubbing your character against a wall to push through an immovable object, and it lets you through... and its impossible and illogical to do in real life, its something that probably needs to be fixed. You either report it, or use it to cheat. Games this large need the help of the community at large to help them... and reporting bugs are always the way to go.
However, walking around the edge of a room to avoid a group of mobs because you are low on hp and you are out of pots, that's just pure strategy..
Absolutely agree with you Mr. Giant
"Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny" - Frank Zappa
I think this person should be watched. Its obvious they use these cheats as they have defended them tooth and nail until the moderator shows up. This person needs their account investigated, I will open a ticket now. I have not seen this much back peddling in a long time ROFL!!
Bring it, I have nothing to hide. Nothing I have said defends cheating. You need to grow up, I quit trying to get you to actually read peoples posts. I consider you submitting a false ticket accusing me of cheating to be harassment then, so should I report you too. Wow. Just a game child.
"Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny" - Frank Zappa
funny, I've done a lot of dungeons and never once ran into a group that wanted to glitch or cheat.
toss mobs off a cliff, sure every chance I get.
skip a pull that's out of the way, of course.
last nite we got right up to the boss and my reminder for DD went off, so we relogged ("pre" cleared). big deal, we got a chest that we would have got if we had started a few minutes later anyway. IMO the DD event should give you a chest every time you kill a boss while it's active. why not, you can see it's coming up in 30 mins so you start clearing to the boss, then when you get there, poof DD.
map glitching or the like is not allowed and people HAVE been banned for it.
Oh I agree there... depending on how you avoid them. There's good strategy, and then there outright cheating. These are just going to contain grey areas. No game developer can fill in all the blanks there.
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Yeah, i think no one here is speaking of not pulling any possible mob = cheating. Also the OP stated he does not. This thread is about terrain exploiting and yeah, it is hard to find any T2 group (spiders for example) that does not want to exploit terrain (i dont use the word skip here because to write exploit hits the nail). Of course some guys can turn it into a "hate each other" thread so it may be closed...
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malkavierMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
It's all good. The rebalance patch is closing all of the skip loopholes for Spider, Pirate, Spellplague, CN etc by simply blocking access to the "holes", relaxing the leashes on NPCs so they chase you longer in one dungeon + adding MORE NPCs, to outright killing you from the "falls". Currently, from testing in Vault, whenever you die, etc, you're put back at the starting campfire. This is different than pre-patch .45, and a taste of what is to come.
How Cryptic trolls the entire NWO playerbase: 9200 GS listed for CN, implying anyone who needs more has no skill.
I've said it several times... give the mobs quality drops (blue/purple runes/enchants,professions,dyes...) at 1/100(blue) 1/1000(purple) ratio and suddenly killing a gazillion mobs seems reasonable... also, would make the game a lot more enjoyable.
I dont have a guild... i pug, and pugging T2 is like a hell's nightmare during delves... most people just want to go to the boss as fast as possible... and ins understandable, mobs are boring and loot nothing, and pots/kits arent cheap... give people a reason to kill mobs... and you will have them killing them 24/7
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jihancritiasMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
My green gear? I have a 12k GS. how you ask? People there are a few whom agree with me. Using bugs to take shortcuts is an exploit. Exploits are used by brain dead kids who don't want to work for something or earn it. They want their participation trophy and they want it now.. I earned my gear. people like you are the reason I don't solo queue, All you know is exploiting game bugs and when you get to the boss you have no clue how to play your class.
Actually, for a lot, it's the bad design. Blue drops in an epic dungeon, even from the delve chest, makes many not want to legitimately run the dungeon. The ridiculous amount of adds as well contributes to this. Certain ones I will pull the boss back, or stand on something, but only because the adds are insane.
Pirate king. Yesterday. Had a run with so many adds, I had to turn physics particles down after the fight, which helped on the next run. My game was freezing, and then I was dead. I mean, 50 - 60 adds. The only way in hell to go against that is for the cleric to stand on the side.
I've beaten spider one time, only because the pug I ran with exploited it instead of going in. No loot though. Trying that otherwise, boss jumps around like crazy, adds hit like trucks. If there were a place to stand high instead of getting owned every second, I'd do that one as well.
I don't think taking advantage of terrain like that is an exploit, or pulling bosses back. Getting the boss to suicide though is.
"Shortcuts (speaking of natural shortcuts, not glitching) in dungeons seem to be there by design, if not, then why ban someone for using the terrain to their advantage?
Same goes for using pillars, etc. for spreading out the party versus bosses and sniping. I call it good ****ing tactics, so stop whining about it! When has an army general ever said, "Well troops we're not gonna position snipers and artillary above on the enemy's flank, out of their range, because it's JUST NOT ****ING FAIR!" LOL
Maybe cheats should be better defined by the devs, dunno." - My original post that you trolled, you moron.
just saying that you need to...........reeeeeeeead. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ can form what we call "words", which together form a logical thought (something you failed to master).
*drops the mike*
cya later folks!
This made me laugh, just for the fact that 98% of people in these forums can't even use "
Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz", at all. I forgive those that can't speak English, But those that can really need to learn how to spell correctly (or use the spell check) because it gets really annoying trying to decipher what they are trying to say, and IMHO it just looks stupid.
Seriously, every single group I get into these days, people are trying to use exploits to take shortcuts to try and skip content, or even doing these "preclears" for a dungeon delve is also a cheat. When getting into a group people are just shocked I don't want to cheat. I have had several people just throw a complete tantrum, because I did not want to use an exploit to skip content.
Seriously, PW needs to start banning these people. An example needs to be made for this to stop. I just want to play the game how it was intended and do not want to cheat or use bugs to do exploits what the heck is wrong with that?. Why do you think the markets are so flooded with end game gear? Its because during a Dungeon delve they use cheats and clear 3-4 dungeons in a single hour and get chests on them all, castle never included.
I realize everyone was very offended during the AH cheating scandal, Why is there no outrage over these cheats? because almost every single player is doing them.
PW please start banning some people for this, if examples are made of the worst offenders this type of behaviour will stop and we can actually play the game as intended and not just being lazy and try and cheat the system.
World wide phenomenon Zergers mate, but yeah is up to you to find a group of lads/ladettes to run with, i like exploration, and have a like minded guild/group that is no hurry to power lvl.
Exploits = Boring and they are only cheating themselves. Perhaps a need to activate something here at A, to get to B there might prevent the skip half the dungeon and maybe devs can rework that.
People avoid the xtra chests and i can say with running cragmire about 5-6 times and out of those side chests, "lolths daughter ect, ive pulled 5-6 blues
You are welcome to do all that, but you should understand not everyone wants to get into a dungeon and stare at the walls for 3 hours. Some want to actually get it done, and do another because they are trying to get gear... no notice some random chest with 2 greens, 5c, and a healing potion.
The game has a D&D IP no? Not getting into the "is this D&D" argument, just pointing out that it has a licensed D&D name and worldset. One of the principal things about D&D has always been exploration.
So again, if it is all about loot/gear & rushing through while ignoring the scenery why not skip the dungeon completely, buy some zen, convert to AH and buy your gear?
World wide phenomenon Zergers mate, but yeah is up to you to find a group of lads/ladettes to run with, i like exploration, and have a like minded guild/group that is no hurry to power lvl.
Exploits = Boring and they are only cheating themselves. Perhaps a need to activate something here at A, to get to B there might prevent the skip half the dungeon and maybe devs can rework that.
People avoid the xtra chests and i can say with running cragmire about 5-6 times and out of those side chests, "lolths daughter ect, ive pulled 5-6 blues
Where does one find these like minded Guilds. The ones I have seen recruiting in game do not seem to be like you describe.
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wildswannMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
There's all kinds of cheaters. "using terraign to your advantage" is a gray area. Some cheaters just love to cheat - its part of their playstyle. They will argue tooth and nail that just because they CAN, that its the intended game play and therefore vindicates them of all repercussions. They are wrong. If they are not playing the game the way it was attended, they are cheating in my book. If they dont want to "kill the mobs in the way", they are cheating in my book. Simple as that. Now again, they'll fight tooth and nail. Too bad, you are cheating.
Best thing to do is report anyone taking advantage of the terrain, or any other part of the game. Report the areas where they cheated, so that it can be patched in a later update.
That's the nice thing about Neverwinter, because you decide the type you play with, you do not need to associate yourselves with that type of play. The great majority of players will always play honestly. You just need to seek them out.
Pro tip: Check out some of the the guilds in Neverwinter, and inquire with their guild leader if they tolerate that type play or not. What they say, and how they say it, means something.
This is a huge problem and sadly not as easy as reporting those that do it... since hitting 60 I have not been in a dungeon group that hasn't wanted to climb walls and drop through floors and as far as I can tell all dungeons are affected. Chat is full of LFG particularly around DD time and only twice have I ever seen ppl asking for a full run no exploits/cheats etc all the other has been FAST RUN must know shortcuts... It's come to the point where I don't bother with dungeons anymore it's all about skipping as many fights as possible rushing from boss to boss there's zero fun in a loot zerg for me.
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I should hope not. If you did I would call it wierd.
There's all kinds of cheaters. "using terraign to your advantage" is a gray area. Some cheaters just love to cheat - its part of their playstyle. They will argue tooth and nail that just because they CAN, that its the intended game play and therefore vindicates them of all repercussions. They are wrong. If they are not playing the game the way it was attended, they are cheating in my book. If they dont want to "kill the mobs in the way", they are cheating in my book. Simple as that. Now again, they'll fight tooth and nail. Too bad, you are cheating.
Best thing to do is report anyone taking advantage of the terrain, or any other part of the game. Report the areas where they cheated, so that it can be patched in a later update.
That's the nice thing about Neverwinter, because you decide the type you play with, you do not need to associate yourselves with that type of play. The great majority of players will always play honestly. You just need to seek them out.
Pro tip: Check out some of the the guilds in Neverwinter, and inquire with their guild leader if they tolerate that type play or not. What they say, and how they say it, means something.
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1. prices drop because of them, resulting in even less rewards for the exploiters in time. Making the game even more borring for them as they already think it is (obviuesly if u use exploits u are not playing for "fun" but are playing for the greed and to be an economy tycoon)
2. by using the exploit's they get attention from the dev's, be it now ore in 4 months, they wil get adressed.
3. exploiters wil have finished the game in 2 weeks tops and get bored so easily they have the most potential of leaving, so by exploiting they are doing the community a favor. (i dont think the community needs greedy people like them to create a fun mmo community)
I totaly understand u because i also play for fun, a rare currency in the current gaming age where ego seems to trump any sense of honor ore achievement. And people joining a DUNGEONS & dragons game who refuse to kill trash and clear out dungeons, wel i think that says enuf and they should find another game to play.
I dont care if it takes my characters 2 months to gear up ore 5 months, as long as i farmed it all the hard way, in that fashion i ensure that I feel pride when looking at my character at the end of it all. Instead of visiting the AH buying 10k+ GS then roflstomping some dungeons, and going "pfffs endgame sux, so borring, fail cryptic".
-itheryel-
(bash away at me u greedy HAMSTER's
Edit : just to be clear here, i also think the dungeons arent very unrewarding atm, and i have hopes this wil be adressed by cryptic if the community post's this enuf of times. However the exploiters wont post things like that because it is already "rewarding" for them. In that sense they dont help remove the issue they are experiencing and result's in them being "forced" to exploit. I agree trash should drop more usuable items to allow people to enjoy clearing trash mobs.
Well it looks like the Moderator agrees with me and you are 100% wrong. You fail again.
Sometimes I really hate people who are in such a hurry we can't even enjoy the scenery the devs have worked so hard on.
Devs could define this "grey area" better imo. Despite my contrary position versus the OP, I do not like to cheat in order to gain a piece of virtual equipment made of 1's and 0's. I do like to find tactical advantages (natural terrain
Skipping small groups of enemies once in a while doesn't seem like cheating to me atm. If the Devs define this as cheating, then that's that. Grey areas can be easy deconvoluted (to use a spectroscopy term).
*slow claps* this is fun, like arguing with my cat.
no hard feelings, nothing personal there fella.
It does not matter what is cheating to you.
Thanks Mod to clear facts out and thanks in advance for fixing the maps :-)
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I think this person should be watched. Its obvious they use these cheats as they have defended them tooth and nail until the moderator shows up. This person needs their account investigated, I will open a ticket now. I have not seen this much back peddling in a long time ROFL!!
Oh I agree there... depending on how you avoid them. There's good strategy, and then there outright cheating. These are just going to contain grey areas. No game developer can fill in all the blanks there.
However you have outright cheating. if you are rubbing your character against a wall to push through an immovable object, and it lets you through... and its impossible and illogical to do in real life, its something that probably needs to be fixed. You either report it, or use it to cheat. Games this large need the help of the community at large to help them... and reporting bugs are always the way to go.
However, walking around the edge of a room to avoid a group of mobs because you are low on hp and you are out of pots, that's just pure strategy..
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Like I said, "If the Devs define this as cheating, then that's that."
No big deal to me. Being definitive (Devs) can be a monumental task when there is such varied opinion about such grey areas. I am willing to admit I am wrong if presented with a reasonable argument, as oppose to many (not necessarily you) just labeling those, who find tactical advantages within the natural terrain, as "cheaters".
Absolutely agree with you Mr. Giant
Bring it, I have nothing to hide. Nothing I have said defends cheating. You need to grow up, I quit trying to get you to actually read peoples posts. I consider you submitting a false ticket accusing me of cheating to be harassment then, so should I report you too. Wow. Just a game child.
toss mobs off a cliff, sure every chance I get.
skip a pull that's out of the way, of course.
last nite we got right up to the boss and my reminder for DD went off, so we relogged ("pre" cleared). big deal, we got a chest that we would have got if we had started a few minutes later anyway. IMO the DD event should give you a chest every time you kill a boss while it's active. why not, you can see it's coming up in 30 mins so you start clearing to the boss, then when you get there, poof DD.
map glitching or the like is not allowed and people HAVE been banned for it.
Yeah, i think no one here is speaking of not pulling any possible mob = cheating. Also the OP stated he does not. This thread is about terrain exploiting and yeah, it is hard to find any T2 group (spiders for example) that does not want to exploit terrain (i dont use the word skip here because to write exploit hits the nail). Of course some guys can turn it into a "hate each other" thread so it may be closed...
Effectively?
I dont have a guild... i pug, and pugging T2 is like a hell's nightmare during delves... most people just want to go to the boss as fast as possible... and ins understandable, mobs are boring and loot nothing, and pots/kits arent cheap... give people a reason to kill mobs... and you will have them killing them 24/7
Actually, for a lot, it's the bad design. Blue drops in an epic dungeon, even from the delve chest, makes many not want to legitimately run the dungeon. The ridiculous amount of adds as well contributes to this. Certain ones I will pull the boss back, or stand on something, but only because the adds are insane.
Pirate king. Yesterday. Had a run with so many adds, I had to turn physics particles down after the fight, which helped on the next run. My game was freezing, and then I was dead. I mean, 50 - 60 adds. The only way in hell to go against that is for the cleric to stand on the side.
I've beaten spider one time, only because the pug I ran with exploited it instead of going in. No loot though. Trying that otherwise, boss jumps around like crazy, adds hit like trucks. If there were a place to stand high instead of getting owned every second, I'd do that one as well.
I don't think taking advantage of terrain like that is an exploit, or pulling bosses back. Getting the boss to suicide though is.
This made me laugh, just for the fact that 98% of people in these forums can't even use "
Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz", at all. I forgive those that can't speak English, But those that can really need to learn how to spell correctly (or use the spell check) because it gets really annoying trying to decipher what they are trying to say, and IMHO it just looks stupid.
World wide phenomenon Zergers mate, but yeah is up to you to find a group of lads/ladettes to run with, i like exploration, and have a like minded guild/group that is no hurry to power lvl.
Exploits = Boring and they are only cheating themselves. Perhaps a need to activate something here at A, to get to B there might prevent the skip half the dungeon and maybe devs can rework that.
People avoid the xtra chests and i can say with running cragmire about 5-6 times and out of those side chests, "lolths daughter ect, ive pulled 5-6 blues
The game has a D&D IP no? Not getting into the "is this D&D" argument, just pointing out that it has a licensed D&D name and worldset. One of the principal things about D&D has always been exploration.
So again, if it is all about loot/gear & rushing through while ignoring the scenery why not skip the dungeon completely, buy some zen, convert to AH and buy your gear?
Where does one find these like minded Guilds. The ones I have seen recruiting in game do not seem to be like you describe.
This is a huge problem and sadly not as easy as reporting those that do it... since hitting 60 I have not been in a dungeon group that hasn't wanted to climb walls and drop through floors and as far as I can tell all dungeons are affected. Chat is full of LFG particularly around DD time and only twice have I ever seen ppl asking for a full run no exploits/cheats etc all the other has been FAST RUN must know shortcuts... It's come to the point where I don't bother with dungeons anymore it's all about skipping as many fights as possible rushing from boss to boss there's zero fun in a loot zerg for me.