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stormdrag0n
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For the most part I am very happy about the upcoming patch, a lot of needed features and fixes are being addressed, however one of the things I would love to see is the current trap system addressed. Right now traps are anemic, to the point where people just run through them, they are to be ignored in dungeons and in many cases solo play.
It really shouldn't be like that, in DDO traps were significant and they really should be in Neverwinter as well. Knowing where the traps are and knowing they really won't hurt you, makes them completely useless. Traps should be deadly, or at the very least extremely dangerous, and the should be random, because what's the sense of adventure when you know where every single trap is? What I would really like to see is Rogues not always making their detect trap rolls and other classes with thieve kits having a greatly reduced chance of them actually being successful, the random and deadly level should also be available to foundry creators as another tool to make our creations more challenging.
I really love this game despite the bugs and issues...but the trap system above all is a mockery to D&D and really needs to be addressed.
It really shouldn't be like that, in DDO traps were significant and they really should be in Neverwinter as well. Knowing where the traps are and knowing they really won't hurt you, makes them completely useless. Traps should be deadly, or at the very least extremely dangerous, and the should be random, because what's the sense of adventure when you know where every single trap is? What I would really like to see is Rogues not always making their detect trap rolls and other classes with thieve kits having a greatly reduced chance of them actually being successful, the random and deadly level should also be available to foundry creators as another tool to make our creations more challenging.
I really love this game despite the bugs and issues...but the trap system above all is a mockery to D&D and really needs to be addressed.
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It would be neat if disarming traps had some other meaning, though; such as a coin drop to the group.
I'd love to see them become more worthwhile, but there needs to be a good way to balance them before that happens.
Well Theif kits do take care of that don't they? It offers an out or at least a chance to run the dungeon without the rogue.
In table top play when you know a rogue is present it is a neat addition, but in a multi-player video game it's just annoying. "HAMSTER the cleric hit a trap, ok everyone wait here until he runs back." bleh
The traps don't have to be a major part of the dungeon or an area where you NEED to get through lots of traps, the way they have them placed now is great because there isn't any dungeon that requires you to intentionally get hit.
Thats why introducing a 1 hit KO would still be a good idea, doesn't stop progression of any kind, but adds in a fun/funny exploration mechanic that will give some players a good laugh or 2
Agree with this 100%, personally I'd love to be on skype with all my mates and see a spear from a wall 1 hit KO and ragdoll him 20 metres across a room, would be hilarious, and since we're all Aussie 0 fcuks given. Either that or just remove them.
Actually after thinking about this, traps are just an annoyance. With no consequence for death in this game, all a 1 shot kill trap would do would make it so you have to be rezzed and cleansed if in a group, or just run back while solo. So all you are really asking for is to be annoyed a little more.
An annoyance can sometimes be a fun thing in this game, especially when running with a group of friends/guildies
or exp bonuses for the rogue. since its not like they get any reward for disarming them at the moment.
the lack of traps or doors to lockpick at the same time, has killed the enjoyment of the rogue class outside Foundry for me, amusingly.
I dont wanna be a ****ing 1337 dps with knivezzz
I wanna be a rogue.
Traps were meaningless there too.
Everyone either knew where they were, or just ran through and healed afterwards.
But they at least had enough teeth you had to know where they were and how theyd hit. Especially in the raids.
and disarming them actually gave the party exp bonuses.
Its not quitte the same as here where there is literally no downside and theyre all easily sidestepped.
What is the oldest on three of them?
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What could an interesting approach, rather than going for incredibly high damage, could be to have several different traps that could provide a variety of different debuffs from inconsequentially mild to quite annoying, especially if the effect of the traps was randomly determined each time the dungeon was instanced. People would perhaps be less likely to run blithely through them if the effects of tripping them were unknown, and couldn't be removed by downing a quick potion.
It would be nice if the location of the traps was slightly varied with each instance as well, but that's probably beyond what can be done as the dungeon layouts aren't randomly generated.
They all came into existence at the same time, and will all eventually be folded into one server. As such, there is absolutely no age-related differences between them.
Poison Trap (vent/arrow): take X damage for X seconds (already functions this way just need to increase damage)
Steam Trap (vent): Take X damage. Movement slowed for X seconds due to burns.
Stake Trap: snare and damage (already like this but bugged and needs damage increased)
Spear Traps: Impaled, take X damage and a bleed effect for X seconds.
Regular Arrow Trap: straight damage
Easy way to scale the traps is for all damage taken to be a percent of total health. That allows for the traps to do reasonable damage/debuff at all levels.
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Traps in DDO on Elite mode can still kill you outright; they certainly do have teeth.
I still pay DDO and often play a trap disabling class, so I see trap deaths quite often, especially those heedless Barbarians
Neverwinter needs to make disarming a trap something useful to do for both the rogue and party and kits allow any to do it, so having to have a rogue in the party will not be forced on anyone.
-Let every class disarm traps with thief kits, with associated failure rates (no 1-shot kills though, but make them reasonably scary).
-Let rogues disarm them in-combat, with the perk of making them harmless for the party but still affect enemies.
-Add a feat that allows rogues to disarm traps instantly, or bake it into the default skill.
Boom. Balanced.