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Cheaters obviously alive and well on Beholder server.
thisisridicilous
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So someone just now decided to buy Zen for aproximatly 175+ milion AD's
The requested zen was about a couple of thousands hitting 320AD / Zen, then suddenly someone offers to buy aproximatley 5-600,000 Zens for about 350AD's / Zen
Smooth. -.-
Same goes for Dragon server, don't have characters on any other servers but I would be surprised if it wasn't happening at all servers atm.
The requested zen was about a couple of thousands hitting 320AD / Zen, then suddenly someone offers to buy aproximatley 5-600,000 Zens for about 350AD's / Zen
Smooth. -.-
Same goes for Dragon server, don't have characters on any other servers but I would be surprised if it wasn't happening at all servers atm.
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No no! there is no cheating at Neverwinter. it's impossible... never happened!
Nothing negative happened to economy...
You don't have proof...
No cheating.. Never...!
-.- The market had no requests for Zens over 10,000 then suddenly it is raised to 5-600,000 at 30 AD over the next requested price. Use your brain.
They (I assume there's more than just one) just sat on all their ill-gotten AD's until the price was right, as the price for Zen has been steadily declining, and then they hit with full force, probably bought 50,000Zen or so on the spot. as the offered prices where in the range of 330 at that point.
The other though is quite obviously hax.
is that all you do, try and hijack threads?
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its their evil plan
now 400.000 zen requested (as far as the window shows ofcourse) with an avarage of 355. someone woke up at the wrong time ? ;p
3.5 mil AD is fairly easy to obtain, FROM FOUNDRY ?
There will be a lot of people offering Zen for sale at 350 AD/Zen simply because 350 is a nice round number. The 350 bid won't show up at all if it isn't one of the top five buy bids, but once it does then *poof*, they all appear at once.
Right now on Dragon, the exchange rate is about 360 AD/Zen. The top five buy bids are from 356 to 360, and the 350 bids are not appearing. If the price of Zen drops to around 354-355, then the 350 bids should reappear all at once.
How is that Hijacking a thread. I asked a question.
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It was not the next set of numbers appearing it was the numbers that were already in the list all skyrocketing by betweem 100k and 150k each one....added on top of the 1k-5k that was already there at that price.
Naturally the market does not fill out that way that fast.
..except that they sell AD, not Zen, you seem to be hopelessly confused. Check your ingame mailbox for the inevitable spam for more details.
Even if I am mistaken and they don't it still is not natural market behavior
It is possible to artifically inflate / deflate the market, then cancel all the offers at once and buy up anyone else who put in the range you set causing a spike.
(Course I don't have 100,000 zen o.0 altho I certainly wouldnt put it past someone to have that much).
Watch the price difference between highest buy and lowest sell. If its greater then 2 someone is probably jacking with the market.
Now let's look at foundry-tipping.
Say you make a foundry quest and it gets 15,000 plays.
If only 40% tip you:
Let's say 30% tip at 500ad, 50% tip at 250, and 20% tip at 100
15,000*0.4 = 6,000 people
30% at 500 = 1,800 people tipping 500AD = 900,000 AD
50% at 250 = 3,000 tips of 250 AD = 750,000 AD
20% at 100 = 1,200 tips of 100 AD = 120,000 AD
Add it all up: 900,000 + 750,000 + 120,000 = 1.77 million AD
For a single Foundry quest you created. Now given that people can only tip an author once, and that any subsequent quests will have repeat visitors.
Either way it's not uncommon for Foundry quests to get 10,000-15,000 plays.
It is VERY profitable to make a good Foundry Quest.
Wouldn't put it past the wannabe Boeskys to try that. OFC, if true, perfect world has found it's pvp pay2win solution once and for all.
Add it all up and it is less than half of what you are talking about.
And that is using some really really generous numbers. The earn AD in the game is pure suckerbait if you are doing it legitimately. It likely costs you more to press the keys than you receive in AD value.
If you further add in the 24k daily refines, proffession gains, loot drops, Skirmish and Dungeon Delve bonuses.....
A level 60 player with the right time and effort could handily make 3-4 mil AD in under a month.
edit: Also not mentioned was the possibility of people with Founders (2mil/600k AD)
Temporarily, yes. This was evident a week and a half ago w/ the Caturday (AD negative bidding) fiasco. The large quantities of AD are being distributed via the AH/trades throughout the game economy, so it's less likely that any one person can control the market. It would take a good number of people (w/ resources) and accounts to coordinate a serious destabilizing effect on the zen/ad exchange. Right now, the zen/ad exchange is easier to cause artificial spikes because the number of offers is quite low when compared to another Cryptic game like STO where the offers on the exchange are quite a bit larger. I think we'll see that change after there is more uses for the zen store w/ improved store items, but of course people will cry out that it's even more p2w.
No, no they don't. You can't send Zen to other accounts, it must be laundered as AD, that being the entire point. No amount of reading my mail seems to change this basic game mechanic. Please advise.
Good luck creating a foundry quest now and getting 15,000 plays without serious help. 'For Review' is stuffed with new foundry content and as the ingame foundry browser is so broken, most people don't even look at it. There's a lot of good stuff there which still has play numbers in single figures.
The AD/Zen market is extremely illiquid, and thus subject to large fluctuations even without market manipulation being attempted.
Perhaps it's me who can't explain good enough. The requested price was at 320... now that's the highest price anyone's willing to pay for zen. This is stated in the OP. Then suddenly 5-600,000 Zen was requested for the price of about 350, now that's the highest offered price, naturally it will show up, it looked something like this like this
(now these are just numbers I come up with but they are fairly accurate, well in the neighbourhood, and will probably give a better idea what happened)
We're talking about people who wants to buy Zen for AD's here.. you find these numbers under the sell zen tag.
It went from looking something like this:
1000 requested at price 322
1469 requested at price 320
+3 lower all below <10k requested
to
350 000 requested at price 350
1000 requested at price 322
1469 requested at price 320
+2lower
to
99 467 reuquested at price 352
125 000 requested at price 351
337 000 requested at price 350
1000 requested at price 322
1469 requested at price 320
in just a couple of minutes.
oh... and similair happened to Dragon server but with different amounts and prices, at about the same time.
50k is only $500. Not really that much when you think about it.
Thats gold, jerry, gold!
Gave me a good laugh.
Yeah, but there are thousands of people playing the game. If just 50 of them put up $10 worth of Zen each: bang - $500. Amounts that look big taken in isolation look pretty small when compared with the player-base.