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keeganfox
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Perfectly succinct.It's true that it can be abused, but the benefits are worth the risks.
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Do you have a problem with the current system? I don't. Personal view. I hate spam. I hate going into Protector's Enclave because of the spam there. I'm glad a system exists to mute people who are spamming 5 lines of nonsense, or trying to sell things in Zone chat.
I've said a lot of obnoxious things in zones before. People put me on ignore for this I imagine. (Maybe not) But I've not been muted for chatting, and really expected to.
This said, if anyone should have been muted once or twice, I'm a candidate, and I didn't. So frankly, it's being used responsibly. I wasn't selling anything in Zone, so I didn't get muted.
If anyone has a legitimate reason for otherwise, feel free to voice it, but from what I've seen, you're a minority. No one is going to back you up but other spammers. You're the telemarketer of the Internet and most of us hate you. It's why you're being muted because we're reporting you as spam.
I think the system is working quite well. If anything, more people need to report spam.
Perhaps more people should be educated about where they are expected to sell things, and how to report spammers who aren't following the expected levels of decorum.
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You make a poll, and put your bias opinion in the first post. Without making it clear how the system works.
Not to mention this "I should have the right to spam people in zone to sell something." Which isn't even the argument. Stop being so dense.
It's NOT about zone ban it's about banning their chat entirely, including guild, party, and whispers. You obviously aren't getting it.
If you're making a fair poll don't be so bias about it. Holy ****.
Every system is exploitable, and will need some reasonable enforcement, but by and large this system works well. I'm not saying a certain IP shouldn't be limited on the total number of reports it can fire off against someone in a day, (or at all) I'm saying that the premise behind it is strong and works well. You're harnessing the power of the players to maintain an expected level of behavior.
I'm all for that.
You're **** right I did. If you want to comment on it and don't like either of the first two options I was unbiased enough to leave an 'other'.
I'm permitted to express my opinion; it's the purpose of the forums. Zone chat is not designed to be spammed. Deal with it.
The abuse issue is the problem. It needs oversight. A muting shouldn't be automatic. It needs to pop up some kind of alert on some CSRs screen and they need to be the one to activate it. A live person, or two, 24 hours a day monitoring things. But sadly that is never going to happen. The system will stay the way it is. Ive learned to tolerate it. Id rather have it, then not have it, But i'm not happy with it.
"What do you burn apart from witches?"
"MOAR WITCHES!"
Robert, aye. I know exactly what you mean. First thing I did when I logged into the game was turn off zone chat. At first I tried to look at it as a 'role playing' mechanism. I turned off player names too. If I just saw someone in town I shouldn't be able to know who they are, and I shouldn't be able to read a 'zone chat'. But later I had to ask questions, and found (mercifully) that other zones aren't as bad. Some good chat in those. So I turn it back on. If I had an option to turn off zone just for Protector's Enclave, I would.
But that's avoidance. We're talking about actively enforcing a spam policy; giving players the power.
STEP 2. LOGIN ON MULTIPLE SHARDS AND ADVERTISE PLAYERS @HANDLE SAYING HE NINJAED OR KILLED A KITTEN AND ASK PEOPLE TO REPORT HIM FOR SPAM.
STEP 3. HE GETS SILENCED
STEP 4. VOTE THAT THE SYSTEM IS STABLE AND UNEXPLOITABLE
anyone who doesn't have a problem with this is a complete moron like the thread starter.
Generally, I feel that this is a good tool and while it can be misused, I believe that all the alternatives are worse than the mostly theoretical risk of abuse. I would, however, be in favor of some tweaks:
- The inability to chat/talk should be limited to the type of channel where most of the ignores were accumulated (e.g. if someone spammed Zone chat, they should be unable to use Zone, but their ability to whisper should not be affected).
- "Ignore" should not lead to chat bans, only "report spam" should.
- Limitation of how many times a player can report spam within a specific time frame.
- Multiple reports from the same IP/MAC address for the same player should be discarded.
But all in all I feel that this is a valuable community tool.
Being the little hater you are , you have articulated the polls in such way to sway favor of keeping your power.How low.
You are clearly very stubborn and don't understand basic arguments.
Ban zone, i don't care. But don't take away all forms of communication.
I laughed so hard at this.
Clearly I want to keep the system to log into twenty different accounts, one after another, to report a single person for spam. Or, apparently, I want to be able to advertise some guy somewhere bothered me, so I'll try to recruit my own personal army to mute him for a day. Or something. I guess there are people out there with the free time to do that.
It's not that some people claiming I'm doing this for X reason simply want the ability to spam chat with whatever they want and not have any retribution sought against them for behaving like children online. Couldn't be that. Naaah.
Heh. Two words: "Anger Management"
Is this the best comeback your moronic brain could think of?Hard to find arguments isn't it?
I bring you irrefutable proof that the system is flawed.Prove me wrong.
Not voting cause the options are trash. Have fun with that.
I don't have to. You're doing a pretty good job making an example of the kind of person who probably gets muted regularly. It's likely why you're so upset.
I'd hand you a shovel to help you dig your own hole, but you already seem to have rented a backhoe. I'll just grab some popcorn and beer.
I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
but let me check just to be sure.
Nope 'irrefutable proof' and 'hysterical paranoia' - two totally different meanings. I knew that but it's always better to be safe. Now you wipe the sputum from your monitor and carry on. Popcorn's a-popping and the beer, it's getting warm.
This system is awsome
Or
I love to spam.
lol..... just lol
that has nothing to do with the argument kid. It's not about removing a feature to block spam. Seriously. It's about removing someone from guild / whispers / party chat.
Yup, dem the only two options. No third option some have used to express a middle-ground. Newp. That hasn't happened.
Except for the 15% of people where it did happen.
Perfect. That's going into the first post. Thank you.
When the ignore flag triggers, squelch the account pending GM. A chat box with the accounts last 20? chats pops up on a GM's screen.
GM hits Squelch or Don't Squelch button. It would take 5 seconds.
If the ignore was a report spam, the GM can also hit a button (Not Spam) which would flag the accounts who reported spam as abusers. Consequences to be determined (first one or two would be nothing as everyone could just misclick).
I can always be wrong, but I don't believe Cryptic has the man-power to monitor spam abuse 24-7. I know our company doesn't; it's why we make it automated or give users the right to report spam.