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Castle Never - Where no GWF or GF has ventured before!
ioannides5
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So...Wondering if there's any GWFs or GFs out there who have actually been steadily able to get into a castle never group. So far, TODAY ALONE, I (playing an 11k gs GWF), have been turned down from 5 different CN groups, and have failed on 3 different attempts of making my own, due to people leaving. Both scenarios, simply because I was playing a GWF. Yup, not because of any skill level determinants, gear score, or anything of the such, simply because my class is "useless" to bring along (and my guess is guardian fighters are too). I understand stability and exploits are a top priority and all.. but seriously.. can we get some god **** class fixes going on here?
This is getting SEVERELY irritating, that there has been a "meta" established regarding dungeon groups (being either 2DC/2TR/1CW or 2DC/2CW/1TR), and the 2 of the classes in the game aren't even used. You may as well just add an extra requirement to queuing for castle never: "only available for rogues, wizards, and clerics!", because we all know, those are the only 3 classes who get to enjoy end game content. Hell, as a GWF, I don't even get the ****ing opportunity to partake in end game content, strictly due to the **** class I'm playing.
This is getting SEVERELY irritating, that there has been a "meta" established regarding dungeon groups (being either 2DC/2TR/1CW or 2DC/2CW/1TR), and the 2 of the classes in the game aren't even used. You may as well just add an extra requirement to queuing for castle never: "only available for rogues, wizards, and clerics!", because we all know, those are the only 3 classes who get to enjoy end game content. Hell, as a GWF, I don't even get the ****ing opportunity to partake in end game content, strictly due to the **** class I'm playing.
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Thank you for proving my point.
I have also witnessed GFs do just as much damage. GWFs and GFs struggling to compete in damage are either not geared or not aware of the best way to play/spec their class. Even at their best though, an equally geared and versed rogue should be doubling their damage in the current state of the game, while most wizards cannot beat an equally geared/competent GF/GWF.
QFT
I'm a CW and I run with a very knowledgeable GFW, and in the past run with some very good GF. The 2 TR or 2 DC or 2 CW is just an easy mode for some people, the place is doable with other classes the issue is people are lazy
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It can also be done with 1 DC + any 4 dps (assuming 1 is a wizard of course). I have personally witnessed one CW handle all of the adds but it is rare that you can find a CW able to do so by themselves.
How do you fix this? Either 2 options: 1) make the game harder by nerfing (making astral shield not stack, adding DR to CC's so bringing 2 CWs isn't a golden rule of thumb, nerfing TR's incredible easy stupid damage), or make the game a tad easier (well, really just buffing GFs and GWFs, whether it be their damage, or more utility to make them more liked in parties).
2. Increase agro from GF.
3. Increase GF mitigation.
4. Increase Mob damage so they hit GFs about as hard as they do now.
5. No more double DC groups.
CW can do it by themselves if they are geared properly and the DC's aren't bad. It's mostly an issue of "dps" CW's vs CC CW's. A CC CW will actually parse pretty close to a TR and definitely ahead of a GWF or GF. It's pretty rare to find a good one though.
We get the point quite well, but the community has a bad opinion of GWF and GF which is unjustified, Not all GWF and GF suck at playing their class, GFW are not Broken our guild GWF's do just fine same with GF's, but I have seen pug gf's compain about tanking to the point just just dps and forget about control, just ask some of them what they bring to the team and they will say DPS!
Why would I bring a DPS GF over a CW or TR which do more and bring more to the team, now if your full tank you have a use or a defense reducing GWF then you have a place. Find your niche you have one it just may not be what you thought it was.
When I'm building a Never team I look at what a class brings to the team, A good GF brings control, survivability and buffs, making the group stronger, a Good GWF brings Defense reduction, off tank and DPS.
GF and GWF are not broken but the community thinks they are, oh and before you say I have no Idea what I'm talking about. 12k GF, 11k CW, 10k DC and I have cleared never and all t2's without exploiting on all my character's.
OP: You haven't got a clue how pointless this thread is. They don't care. They have their own timetable for fixing issues and making your class "viable" as you put it doesn't seem like it's one of them. In the end, the only thing I can say to you that matters is what I've said to countless other scrubs in the past: Learn2Play.
Class stacking happens in all games.
I am a DC and I think double shield is too strong, but I think it needs to nerfed more intelligently than just making it not stack. I can solo heal any instance with a CW that is good, but that always isn't the case and the two clerics are somewhat of a necessity. Without the stacking shield I'd probably be dead all the time and at present I am stacking defensive gear on my non-tier pieces just incase I get a bad group. Making astral shield would make it so you would never want to run two Clerics. And I don't think that its a good thing to lock out one class out of a group when you can potentially have two of any other class.
Really? Never in any mmo's that I Played. Well since vanilla Everquest. It is almost always detrimental to have 2 of the same class, in every other mmo that I can remember.
WOW - 5 man paladin groups
EQ - Monk groups
Warhammer - x2 Bright wizard
Final fantasy online - Ninja group's
Do I need to continue? Class stacking is normal welcome to mmo's.
Pretty sure I could 5 man anything with 5 druids in WoW
Not much you can do about other players assuming that GF/GWF are useless though I guess.
After about a week or so though the 2DC stuff started and from then trying to get a T2 run on a GF is just plain irritating. Meh.
I rolled a DC. My DC is now 11K GS and I have no issues getting groups. I still hate the 2xDC <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and would much rather solo heal T2's, but if I join a group and its 2DC I dont bail. I do still run my GF in T2's, now that my friends have caught up in levels we run a GF DC CW CW then either Rogue or GWF (Depends who's on) group and do fine, I just dont bother wasting my time looking for T2 PuGs on my GF.
Join the darkside .. roll a DC and /laugh.
The answer to this issue is refining the roles of each class better so that clerics don't step on GF's tanking toes with shield stacking nonsense, and diversifying wizards and GWF:s somehow. I don't know how.
One thing they could have done is have all the mob pulls be on one class and all the pushbacks on another. That way you would have a strong inter-personal synergy. Right now though, the wizard does all that on his own which is sort of boring.
I believe a big part of the GWF trouble is that when you have a melee and a ranged class who do the same thing, guess which one will be better at it.
It seems normal that dishing out with a 2h could have this result cuse of the force implemented, also on unstopable deu to the rapid attacks it would become 50%, also there is no attack speed in this game so it could not be manipulated other then unstopable...?
This would give a great team advantage the CW does not have...who doesnt like a aoe machine that prones enemy's interupting there action for 1 sec?...
On the topic of PvE, there could be a reduction on it per proned target(cannot be proned in the next 4 seconds ore something) to disable permaprone, because obviuesly that is not what im going for here...just an added feature that sets him apart from the CW, and that would allow him to participate at the same lvl of content.
Obviuesly CW is optimal atm because he is ranged and can do all the same features a capable GWF can, so why not give a melee designed bonus?..shouldent going melee give a certain benefit to counter going ranged? Obviuesly its not his dps, considering he hits with a massive 2H and CW does a few pew pew orbs...if anything i would expect some sort of slow deu to "crippling" ure targets when u hit them...
lol........ I think you did not understand the point ... they have created 2 classes completely useless! I play a cleric, but I understand that those who play those 2 classes is angry, and he's right to be!
I play a GF I am not angry or useless. It's the community perception of the class.
You should check out this thread - http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?296512-So-what-s-the-point-of-having-gears and re-think the GF conq spec. ATM I run conq spec, but the additional power is not mind-blowing. Seriously thinking that Envy's Crit builds are a better option atm with the returns on the power stat. If I had the AD I'd regear my GF in a heartbeat, but sadly I've sunk too much into my DC to afford it atm ... soon tho (tm)