I put item on AH for LOOOOONG 5 DAYS, i got a LOT of time to take it back if bid isn't what i wanted. And i always do it like this
- Min bid - 1AD, why more? i dont want waste cash for it.
The point is, When AH was turned off my items could be bidded for 1 more day, and i thought it would be still 1 day after they open AH again. But nope, It seems like AH was closed, but auctions were going on as if AH was working
Everything working as it should. Let me explain. Your method is very valid as long as you are cool with excepting the greater risk for potential greater profit. You place the control in other's hands. If you're not happy with this level of risk, then you should set a minimum that you would be OK with and a buyout that would make you very happy. In this scenario the risk is on the buyer not the seller.
Your method opens you up to unlimited scenarios where you get burned; boss sends you to Timbuktu and no internet available, you get hurt in a car accident, you get locked up for DUI, Auction house goes down for a couple of days, etc....
It's OK to be greedy in this game and in the real world. I'm just sying that I would never invest or do business at that level of risk. All my AH items have a realistic min and a buyout. I don't like risk and a fair return is perfectly acceptable to me.
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sasheriaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
You put on the minimum starting bid and a long duration for this reason, to find the "true" value of the product! The expected result is to get somewhat less than the "true" value of the product.
You don't put a Ferrari at ebay with $0.01 starting bid and 3 months duration, to have auction ended 1 second after the first bid is made.
That's illegal.
but the auction DIDN'T end in 1 second. It ran the duration but it was inaccessible. There is a BIG difference.
You would have to read each auction site TOS to see what they are liable if their site becomes inoperative.
Example:
If it is a live auction, starting bid is X price, but lets stay a tornado appear, usually the auction is cancelled
Ebay usually cancel the auction if it goes against TOS (illegal up bid, defective product, not actual product) but generally most sales are valid
NWN in their TOS specific state on their server and interruption of service (in this case AH) they are not liable per the agreement that YOU (the general YOU) click ok before joining such service.
I suspect that the clock was intentionally not rolled forward. I suspect it was not an act of negligence or ineptitude, but a deliberate, thought out decision, in order to clear the market of items that were for sale by banned players who had obtained those items through exploits.
Certainly, some players would be negatively affected. Some, however, would be positively affected and still obtain those items. By and large, though, the vast majority of the items that were for sale on the market would simply expire and be returned to the sellers (who were now banned), thus vanishing from the market.
I'm not sure this was the best way to do it. From a player's perspective, it doesn't seem so. But from the developers' perspective, I'm sure there were many factors they had to take into consideration. I don't know enough to know one way or the other.
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nullwolf1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
I don't know if it's an oversight, but the OP didn't get 1 AD on the auction, he got 9k, so either there was time for multiple bids, or a single person bid 9k. (Which if it worked like eBay, as some have brought that site up, he would have only gotten the minimum bid of 1 AD [assuming a single bidder].)
I suspect that the clock was intentionally not rolled forward. I suspect it was not an act of negligence or ineptitude, but a deliberate, thought out decision, in order to clear the market of items that were for sale by banned players who had obtained those items through exploits.
Certainly, some players would be negatively affected. Some, however, would be positively affected and still obtain those items. By and large, though, the vast majority of the items that were for sale on the market would simply expire and be returned to the sellers (who were now banned), thus vanishing from the market.
I'm not sure this was the best way to do it. From a player's perspective, it doesn't seem so. But from the developers' perspective, I'm sure there were many factors they had to take into consideration. I don't know enough to know one way or the other.
I suspect that the clock was intentionally not rolled forward. I suspect it was not an act of negligence or ineptitude, but a deliberate, thought out decision, in order to clear the market of items that were for sale by banned players who had obtained those items through exploits.
Certainly, some players would be negatively affected. Some, however, would be positively affected and still obtain those items. By and large, though, the vast majority of the items that were for sale on the market would simply expire and be returned to the sellers (who were now banned), thus vanishing from the market.
I'm not sure this was the best way to do it. From a player's perspective, it doesn't seem so. But from the developers' perspective, I'm sure there were many factors they had to take into consideration. I don't know enough to know one way or the other.
</conspiracyTheory>
Nope, they just forgot about that...
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sasheriaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
I actually brought this very concern up when we were going over our plan for the Auction Hall fixes and it was something considered but given the time and resources we had and what was required to resolve this effectively and reliably it was deemed too risky.
In addition, as others have mentioned the starting bid price should be what you would accept to sell it as (which is one of the reasons we give you a default value with a calculation of the current market price).
I personally lost a couple items that I certainly could have gotten more AD from, I also won a few items more cheaply than I should have. I will certainly bring this up again to see if we can better address in the future, but I think the preferred result is if we don't need extended maintenance on the Auction Hall system (or anything else for that matter).
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nullwolf1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Yeah, I would have thought so, too. But, again, I'm not privy to how their servers are configured, or what information is in the AH database. Typically, the user information is in one server, and the auction data is in another. They'd have to be able to get the list of user ID's from the one server, build the script and then run it, being careful not to disturb any other (legitimate) auctions.
Also, if there were any triggers verifying that auctions can't be canceled with active bids on them, those would have to be disabled before they ran the script, then re-enabled after it was finished.
And, just to be sure everything was peachy, they'd have to back up the database before doing it. All in all, a time-consuming operation. But it could be done.
Not sure why they didn't go that route.
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I actually brought this very concern up when we were going over our plan for the Auction Hall fixes and it was something considered but given the time and resources we had and what was required to resolve this effectively and reliably it was deemed too risky.
In addition, as others have mentioned the starting bid price should be what you would accept to sell it as (which is one of the reasons we give you a default value with a calculation of the current market price).
I personally lost a couple items that I certainly could have gotten more AD from, I also won a few items more cheaply than I should have. I will certainly bring this up again to see if we can better address in the future, but I think the preferred result is if we don't need extended maintenance on the Auction Hall system (or anything else for that matter).
I assure you, just out of curiosity I'm asking this, but wasn't it something as easy as:
UPDATE Auctions_Table
SET Start_Date = (GET_DATE() - (AH_BLOCK_DATE - Start_Date))
WHERE (Start_Date + Auction_Duration) >= AH_BLOCK_DATE;
wow ok well thats a shocker. only way to know is to ask.. So OP did you sell T2 TR Swashbuckling boots? If not then it wasnt me cause thats the auction I won.
I assure you, just out of curiosity I'm asking this, but wasn't it something as easy as:
UPDATE Auctions_Table
SET Start_Date = (GET_DATE() - (AH_BLOCK_DATE - Start_Date))
WHERE (Start_Date + Auction_Duration) >= AH_BLOCK_DATE;
No, sadly, it was not that simple. Nothing is ever "as easy as", as much as we would like in the world of programming, publishing and particular games (yay alliteration). Our database is custom made, not SQL, (there are videos online still probably going over why and lots of details) and these sweeping changes need way more additional testing as well as just additional time from multiple individuals to make sure we do it right.
If it was that easy, I'd have done it myself like a ninja and snuck it into the build somehow, not to mention we would have just done it.
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grzmot33kMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
wow ok well thats a shocker. only way to know is to ask.. So OP did you sell T2 TR Swashbuckling boots? If not then it wasnt me cause thats the auction I won.
1 Day of bidding didn't existed. Due to AH turned off. Is it only me, or everyone would bid on item in last few hours of bidding? It's normal to bid when auction is almost finished. Those items that time finished when AH was down, had no chance to getting more bids
@edit: well, always had in mind cancelling b4 it would be sold for low price, never did it because it was always bought OUT by B/o Price.
Didn't know you cant cancel.
Still, the point of this threat remains the same. Auctions finished but they shouldnt, since AH was frozen, time should be too.
You made a mistake most of us make at some point. You posted a minimum bid lower than you really wanted to accept and someone got it for lower than you wanted. First time this happened to me is when I learned you could not pull down an auction that had been bid on (after a couple days I wanted to lower the buyout but could not remove it to do so).
Even without the AH being down this was bound to happen to you sooner or later. Most of us are going to make this mistake at some point (unless we learn from the mistakes of others or learned about similar systems in past games). The real question is, how many people will use this as a learning experience and not post overly low minimum bids in the future and how many will assume it was PWE's fault and it only happened to them because the AH was down and go ahead and make the exact same mistake only to be burned in the future?
No, sadly, it was not that simple. Nothing is ever "as easy as", as much as we would like in the world of programming, publishing and particular games (yay alliteration). Our database is custom made, not SQL, (there are videos online still probably going over why and lots of details) and these sweeping changes need way more additional testing as well as just additional time from multiple individuals to make sure we do it right.
If it was that easy, I'd have done it myself like a ninja and snuck it into the build somehow, not to mention we would have just done it.
^ regarding this bit here... you really shouldn't list something for a starting bid you aren't ok with getting...
Auction House 101 mate - never set a minimum bid you wouldn't be happy to get.
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wildoxitMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 31Arc User
edited May 2013
Just FYI, my bank called me and said the dispute for zen purchase was refunded with no contest from the paid party! WOOT, PWE I love you for giving me my wasted money back... /faith restored >:)
Just FYI, my bank called me and said the dispute for zen purchase was refunded with no contest from the paid party! WOOT, PWE I love you for giving me my wasted money back... /faith restored >:)
still sad I have nothing to play though....
Honestly since you have your funds back nothing stopping you from enjoying the game, just don't pay again until you feel it's worth it, that's fair...heck I have even heard Cryptic guys say the same thing at PAX east.
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Everything working as it should. Let me explain. Your method is very valid as long as you are cool with excepting the greater risk for potential greater profit. You place the control in other's hands. If you're not happy with this level of risk, then you should set a minimum that you would be OK with and a buyout that would make you very happy. In this scenario the risk is on the buyer not the seller.
Your method opens you up to unlimited scenarios where you get burned; boss sends you to Timbuktu and no internet available, you get hurt in a car accident, you get locked up for DUI, Auction house goes down for a couple of days, etc....
It's OK to be greedy in this game and in the real world. I'm just sying that I would never invest or do business at that level of risk. All my AH items have a realistic min and a buyout. I don't like risk and a fair return is perfectly acceptable to me.
but the auction DIDN'T end in 1 second. It ran the duration but it was inaccessible. There is a BIG difference.
You would have to read each auction site TOS to see what they are liable if their site becomes inoperative.
Example:
If it is a live auction, starting bid is X price, but lets stay a tornado appear, usually the auction is cancelled
Ebay usually cancel the auction if it goes against TOS (illegal up bid, defective product, not actual product) but generally most sales are valid
NWN in their TOS specific state on their server and interruption of service (in this case AH) they are not liable per the agreement that YOU (the general YOU) click ok before joining such service.
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
Certainly, some players would be negatively affected. Some, however, would be positively affected and still obtain those items. By and large, though, the vast majority of the items that were for sale on the market would simply expire and be returned to the sellers (who were now banned), thus vanishing from the market.
I'm not sure this was the best way to do it. From a player's perspective, it doesn't seem so. But from the developers' perspective, I'm sure there were many factors they had to take into consideration. I don't know enough to know one way or the other.
</conspiracyTheory>
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I also suspect that's the case.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/everyone-outage.html
"In the event of a hard outage of two hours or more, eBay automatically extends listings for 24 hours."
My, what a sensible policy to have.
-Travail.
It is in writing
Interruption of Service section.
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
OP, now you know who stole your item...
In addition, as others have mentioned the starting bid price should be what you would accept to sell it as (which is one of the reasons we give you a default value with a calculation of the current market price).
I personally lost a couple items that I certainly could have gotten more AD from, I also won a few items more cheaply than I should have. I will certainly bring this up again to see if we can better address in the future, but I think the preferred result is if we don't need extended maintenance on the Auction Hall system (or anything else for that matter).
I think that one's trolling... but here... I brought this...
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Also, if there were any triggers verifying that auctions can't be canceled with active bids on them, those would have to be disabled before they ran the script, then re-enabled after it was finished.
And, just to be sure everything was peachy, they'd have to back up the database before doing it. All in all, a time-consuming operation. But it could be done.
Not sure why they didn't go that route.
I assure you, just out of curiosity I'm asking this, but wasn't it something as easy as:
UPDATE Auctions_Table
SET Start_Date = (GET_DATE() - (AH_BLOCK_DATE - Start_Date))
WHERE (Start_Date + Auction_Duration) >= AH_BLOCK_DATE;
Author: @BardicKnowledge
Q1: Prologue - The Lady and the Worm NW-DPQPJSVTH
Tags: #Challenge, #Story, #Solo, #Group
No, sadly, it was not that simple. Nothing is ever "as easy as", as much as we would like in the world of programming, publishing and particular games (yay alliteration). Our database is custom made, not SQL, (there are videos online still probably going over why and lots of details) and these sweeping changes need way more additional testing as well as just additional time from multiple individuals to make sure we do it right.
If it was that easy, I'd have done it myself like a ninja and snuck it into the build somehow, not to mention we would have just done it.
nope ^^ (10 chars)
You made a mistake most of us make at some point. You posted a minimum bid lower than you really wanted to accept and someone got it for lower than you wanted. First time this happened to me is when I learned you could not pull down an auction that had been bid on (after a couple days I wanted to lower the buyout but could not remove it to do so).
Even without the AH being down this was bound to happen to you sooner or later. Most of us are going to make this mistake at some point (unless we learn from the mistakes of others or learned about similar systems in past games). The real question is, how many people will use this as a learning experience and not post overly low minimum bids in the future and how many will assume it was PWE's fault and it only happened to them because the AH was down and go ahead and make the exact same mistake only to be burned in the future?
Thank you for the answer
Author: @BardicKnowledge
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Tags: #Challenge, #Story, #Solo, #Group
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You just discovered the Next class and race to be released
I think I'm going to be sick .....
Auction House 101 mate - never set a minimum bid you wouldn't be happy to get.
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still sad I have nothing to play though....
Okay who are you and what have you done with the real embracemysword???
Honestly since you have your funds back nothing stopping you from enjoying the game, just don't pay again until you feel it's worth it, that's fair...heck I have even heard Cryptic guys say the same thing at PAX east.