grzmot33kMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
1. I dont use ALT to bump my own items (dont even have alt)
2. All my items so far sold via B/O, so didn't know that i can't take back item before auction finish
3. Yes. I risked, expected higher price ...and it would be higher. Coz any1 would bid on low bid price high quality item when auction are going to finish soon. For example a purple mount from lock box, u can post it for 1 AD, bid will read 100k, and then no one more will bid and it will sell for this price, thats just...impossible. But if sth like this would happent to me, i would have dealt with it, why not?
But last day of bidding didn't exist and item sold.
keep reading whole threat or shut up...eh, as I said , I never even tried to cancel (and as I heard in this thread, you cant even do it), every item sold by BO....just had it in mind, in case if...
And if the people who were going to bid on your insanely low auction were unable to because their ISP crapped out, who would you be crying to?
The real question is: who would THEY have been crying to? "I can't buy this fantastic item for 1 AD! It's not fair!" Nobody has paid a cent to the makers of this game to guarantee all parts of it (or any part of it) will be running 24/7/365. Sometimes you take a risk and you get burned. That's exactly what happened here.
Mouthbreathers having trouble understanding the problem with low starting bid auctions expiring? It's really ****ing simple.
The risk i AM willing to take is that no one bids on my item and someone gets it for 1 AD.
The risk i am NOT willing to take is that no one CAN bid on my item and someone gets it for 1 AD.
If you don't grasp the ENORMOUS difference, please go back to pre-school, cause you got issues.
If no one can bid then no one can get the item for 1AD.
If I set the opening bid to 500AD Then nobody can get my item for less than that... You gamble every time you try to play the system. Some times you lose. Man up and take your lose for what it is. Your fault.
The sense of entitlement in the argument is unbelievable. Furthermore, the argument fails for more than one reason. The poster clearly didn't count on anyone bidding so early in the auction process and that is his strategy: assuming that a low price will keep bids away until the frenzied bidding at the end drives the price up. The poster was counting on the auction lasting a long time in order to maximize his profit, hence his long auction time. Thus, he takes a gamble, pays less initially, and gets a higher profit. The alternative is that he sets his minimum bid higher, pays more in fees, but if someone bites, he gets a guaranteed profit at a certain level. More safety for more cost. Clearly, the poster took the riskier route and now complains that his non-guaranteed profit isn't as high as he'd like. Is anyone using the auction house guaranteed a certain level of profit, or even a sale? No. It is always a trade-off between selling an item quickly and potentially for less compared to playing a waiting game and hopefully selling the item for more. It was his strategy, his choice, and his loss. That's how economies work. Sometimes you take a risk and it pays off and others, it does not. In this case, the complainer lost through a choice he made.
Granted, Cryptic could have frozen the auction house, which may have been a smarter decision to avoid this issue, but there was never a guarantee that his item would have sold for more, thus he's lost nothing to which he was entitled.
I feel sorry for you, spending so much time to present a non-argument.
It's totally understandable though, cause for you time is of no essence: 5 days are equal to 1 minute.
You missed the point... it doesn't matter WHY it finished at the price it did. Once you set the price and click post, it's out of your hands. Set a minimum you are willing to accept, or accept the consequences.
I feel some sympathy for the "you set a ridiculous low bid to game the system and save money - live with it" camp but no one could have expected the AH to be out so long and PW really should have done something like treat the downtime as not having happened and returned to the status quo ante. Just as they should have done the same on celestial coins or at least included some in the gift pack. So I'll come down on the side of the OP - Perfect World applied a very very imperfect approach.
I feel sorry for you, spending so much time to present a non-argument.
It's totally understandable though, cause for you time is of no essence: 5 days are equal to 1 minute.
It took very little time to post and I do not feel sorry for you for not comprehending it. Perhaps take some time to consider it, much like the poster should have before he listed his item.
You missed the point... it doesn't matter WHY it finished at the price it did. Once you set the price and click post, it's out of your hands. Set a minimum you are willing to accept, or accept the consequences.
You are wrong, the duration of the auction is important and is there for a reason.
The sense of entitlement in the argument is unbelievable. Furthermore, the argument fails for more than one reason. The poster clearly didn't count on anyone bidding so early in the auction process and that is his strategy: assuming that a low price will keep bids away until the frenzied bidding at the end drives the price up. The poster was counting on the auction lasting a long time in order to maximize his profit, hence his long auction time. Thus, he takes a gamble, pays less initially, and gets a higher profit. The alternative is that he sets his minimum bid higher, pays more in fees, but if someone bites, he gets a guaranteed profit at a certain level. More safety for more cost. Clearly, the poster took the riskier route and now complains that his non-guaranteed profit isn't as high as he'd like. Is anyone using the auction house guaranteed a certain level of profit, or even a sale? No. It is always a trade-off between selling an item quickly and potentially for less compared to playing a waiting game and hopefully selling the item for more. It was his strategy, his choice, and his loss. That's how economies work. Sometimes you take a risk and it pays off and others, it does not. In this case, the complainer lost through a choice he made.
Granted, Cryptic could have frozen the auction house, which may have been a smarter decision to avoid this issue, but there was never a guarantee that his item would have sold for more, thus he's lost nothing to which he was entitled.
they close AH but they don't close the auction.
don't you see something strange?
it's like E.BAY close his server for one week without close auction....that's just stupid,rollback 7 hours but no rollback on AH ?
that's just stupid,stupid like the bug exploit.
all this story is just an epic FAIL.
EPIC BUG
WORST EPIC RESOLVE
wow, how can anyone with common sense even try to defend Cryptic. Taking an AH down without stopping the timers.
Yeah right it's not Cryptics fault it's the players fault who started the auction? C'mon fanboys.
Imagine Ebay would do the same, would you blame the users if they would have lost thousands and thousands of $$$$ because they took Ebay offline but didn't stop the timers?
I can't believe what some of you are writing, trying to defend another epic fail of Cryptic.
Do what I do. Place a minimum bid at a point where you're comfortable at, but nope you had to putt it at the lowest, let me guess. so you don't pay a measley little poster fee? Well next time suck up the several 100 or 1000 AD and you don't have to come crying on the forums
It took very little time to post and I do not feel sorry for you for not comprehending it. Perhaps take some time to consider it, much like the poster should have before he listed his item.
I'm done trying to reason with you. You'll get automated responses from me from now on.
It took very little time to post and I do not feel sorry for you for not comprehending it. Perhaps take some time to consider it, much like the poster should have before he listed his item.
I don't even know why you guys are replying to him. His grammar is **** and he either sounds like hes a child or someone whos language isn't primarily english.
I mean, what kind of retort is this?
"You are wrong, the rules were broken the moment the AH went down and the auction time kept running.
You are wrong. The transaction must be reversed."
Sounds like a child throwing a tantrum "you are wrong! you are wrong!"
LOL. I only hope these crybabies up and leave the game, less asshats I have to deal with during dungeon runs.
Actually, a simple way where no one would have been upset is if the AH were simply stopped when it wasn't functioning.
It was , I still had active auctions . I do not know when they stopped it , but it obviously didn't run the whole time . All my no bid auctions were still there . I placed them Saturday night . All that got at least a min bid were gone . Would it be fair to the bidder , once the time was up to not get their item ? I sold some stuff for my min bid , I am not upset .
Trying to escape posting fee is good for the game and is what smart people do, because valuable items will always be bought at the buyout price if it's acceptable. It's assuming that the game is working and that game developers have some sense of anticipation when they turn a system off.
wow, how can anyone with common sense even try to defend Cryptic. Taking an AH down without stopping the timers.
Yeah right it's not Cryptics fault it's the players fault who started the auction? C'mon fanboys.
Imagine Ebay would do the same, would you blame the users if they would have lost thousends and thousends of $$$$ because they took Ebay offline but didn't stop the timers?
I can't believe what some of you are writing, trying to defend another epic fail of Cryptic.
Wake up, it's about time.
I don't know, I think they are just trolling.
Or perhaps they think they landed on some side of the fence and they have to defend this side till death without putting any critical thinking into it.
I put item on AH for LOOOOONG 5 DAYS, i got a LOT of time to take it back if bid isn't what i wanted. And i always do it like this
- Min bid - 1AD, why more? i dont want waste cash for it.
The point is, When AH was turned off my items could be bidded for 1 more day, and i thought it would be still 1 day after they open AH again. But nope, It seems like AH was closed, but auctions were going on as if AH was working
The actual mechanic that needs to be removed is removing items that have a bid on them. This will fix this problem right up. It will force people to start with a Min Bid that they'd be willing to take instead of allowing them to exploit the AH by removing items that others have already bid on.
Reading comprehension is essential in a medium that requires reading for communication.
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grzmot33kMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Do what I do. Place a minimum bid at a point where you're comfortable at, but nope you had to putt it at the lowest, let me guess. so you don't pay a measley little poster fee? Well next time suck up the several 100 or 1000 AD and you don't have to come crying on the forums
NEVER - I'm a cheapskate and I'm proud of it :-) . If it would be sold for low AD but with normal AH, i would have no problems...why should I?
The actual mechanic that needs to be removed is removing items that have a bid on them. This will fix this problem right up. It will force people to start with a Min Bid that they'd be willing to take instead of allowing them to exploit the AH by removing items that others have already bid on.
If you would have read whole thread (11 pages now :O ) you would know that your post is wothless.
they close AH but they don't close the auction.
don't you see something strange?
it's like E.BAY close his server for one week without close auction....that's just stupid,rollback 7 hours but no rollback on AH ?
that's just stupid,stupid like the bug exploit.
all this story is just an epic FAIL.
EPIC BUG
WORST EPIC RESOLVE
PW IS LIKE MY ENGLISH=> VERY BAD
Actually your point is clear. Still I have no sympathy for someone trying to play the odds and losing. If the OP had set a realistic Min Bid, he MAY still have his item to sell. He didn't pay for the security of a set Minimum and got burned. Lesson learned.
If no one can bid then no one can get the item for 1AD.
If I set the opening bid to 500AD Then nobody can get my item for less than that... You gamble every time you try to play the system. Some times you lose. Man up and take your lose for what it is. Your fault.
My gamble is that the item will not receive any bids OVER 5 DAYS! NOT 2 hours. Are you honestly this stupid?
What I, who posted my auctions about 2h before the rollback, missed out on:
1) 98,3% of the intended auction time. <- Please try to comprehend this.
2) The possible bids of everyone that sorts auction by TIME REMAINING, to get good deals.
So no, that's not my fault. It's the fault of a company who obviously can't handle running a game.
I'm done trying to reason with you. You'll get automated responses from me from now on.
You did not attempt to reason. You leveled a personal attack.
As for the Ebay argument, if anyone had paid any money to Cryptic in order to host their auction under terms of a contract (as one does every time one lists something on Ebay) they might have a case. However, nothing has actually been lost in this case. The item merely sold for less than the poster expected by virtue of the way he listed the item and an unexpected event. Even in the case of Ebay, nobody would "lose" anything. They would be selling items below their worth but again, Ebay has safeguards to prevent that from happening (the same safeguards the auction house has, if people choose to use them) and I believe Ebay even warns users not to list items below what they're comfortable selling for.
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sasheriaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 1Arc User
I mean... how stupid does one have to be, to say its ok the guys items got sold for that low.
Your point is valid when the auction is going on normal tracks, you set the minimum value, you set the time ppl will be able to bid on it, if under those terms the best bid was, lets say 20AD -> you deal with it.
But here The guy set the minimum value, and set the time for ppl to bid on it. But becouse of Cryptics, CRYPTICS! (not his) mistake, the time he set for ppl to bid was diminished to less than 20% of the time. The item was processed by the auction house (CRYPTICS system) on different terms than it is described when you posted an item. It is a bug, The 5 days set were not 5 days on auction house, they were probably less than a day if it was sunday that he put the items up. That is, nothing more, than a bug, and should be treated like that.
All the posts saying that he should accept since he just put such minimal bid is irrelevant couse there is a bug involved of not letting ppl use the auction house and bid, and counting the maintenance time like it was working properly.
What if.... he did the same thing but mother nature took out the power and he can't do a thing and STILL sold for a low price. Who will be at fault? Mother Nature? Power company?
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2. All my items so far sold via B/O, so didn't know that i can't take back item before auction finish
3. Yes. I risked, expected higher price ...and it would be higher. Coz any1 would bid on low bid price high quality item when auction are going to finish soon. For example a purple mount from lock box, u can post it for 1 AD, bid will read 100k, and then no one more will bid and it will sell for this price, thats just...impossible. But if sth like this would happent to me, i would have dealt with it, why not?
But last day of bidding didn't exist and item sold.
@edit: ppl keep posting
"you exploit AH"
keep reading whole threat or shut up...eh, as I said , I never even tried to cancel (and as I heard in this thread, you cant even do it), every item sold by BO....just had it in mind, in case if...
1 person agains whole server, huh?
What.
This argument is a new level of stupid.
Lemme see. People were level 60 in a couple days after launch.
Sounds to me like the casuals are in the right place. Theres no hard core gaming happening here.
The real question is: who would THEY have been crying to? "I can't buy this fantastic item for 1 AD! It's not fair!" Nobody has paid a cent to the makers of this game to guarantee all parts of it (or any part of it) will be running 24/7/365. Sometimes you take a risk and you get burned. That's exactly what happened here.
If I set the opening bid to 500AD Then nobody can get my item for less than that... You gamble every time you try to play the system. Some times you lose. Man up and take your lose for what it is. Your fault.
I feel sorry for you, spending so much time to present a non-argument.
It's totally understandable though, cause for you time is of no essence: 5 days are equal to 1 minute.
It took very little time to post and I do not feel sorry for you for not comprehending it. Perhaps take some time to consider it, much like the poster should have before he listed his item.
You are wrong, the duration of the auction is important and is there for a reason.
don't you see something strange?
it's like E.BAY close his server for one week without close auction....that's just stupid,rollback 7 hours but no rollback on AH ?
that's just stupid,stupid like the bug exploit.
all this story is just an epic FAIL.
EPIC BUG
WORST EPIC RESOLVE
PW IS LIKE MY ENGLISH=> VERY BAD
Yeah right it's not Cryptics fault it's the players fault who started the auction? C'mon fanboys.
Imagine Ebay would do the same, would you blame the users if they would have lost thousands and thousands of $$$$ because they took Ebay offline but didn't stop the timers?
I can't believe what some of you are writing, trying to defend another epic fail of Cryptic.
Wake up, it's about time.
I'm done trying to reason with you. You'll get automated responses from me from now on.
I don't even know why you guys are replying to him. His grammar is **** and he either sounds like hes a child or someone whos language isn't primarily english.
I mean, what kind of retort is this?
"You are wrong, the rules were broken the moment the AH went down and the auction time kept running.
You are wrong. The transaction must be reversed."
Sounds like a child throwing a tantrum "you are wrong! you are wrong!"
LOL. I only hope these crybabies up and leave the game, less asshats I have to deal with during dungeon runs.
It was , I still had active auctions . I do not know when they stopped it , but it obviously didn't run the whole time . All my no bid auctions were still there . I placed them Saturday night . All that got at least a min bid were gone . Would it be fair to the bidder , once the time was up to not get their item ? I sold some stuff for my min bid , I am not upset .
This ^ ...I will never understand some people's children
+1
I don't know, I think they are just trolling.
Or perhaps they think they landed on some side of the fence and they have to defend this side till death without putting any critical thinking into it.
The actual mechanic that needs to be removed is removing items that have a bid on them. This will fix this problem right up. It will force people to start with a Min Bid that they'd be willing to take instead of allowing them to exploit the AH by removing items that others have already bid on.
NEVER - I'm a cheapskate and I'm proud of it :-) . If it would be sold for low AD but with normal AH, i would have no problems...why should I?
If you would have read whole thread (11 pages now :O ) you would know that your post is wothless.
My gamble is that the item will not receive any bids OVER 5 DAYS! NOT 2 hours. Are you honestly this stupid?
What I, who posted my auctions about 2h before the rollback, missed out on:
1) 98,3% of the intended auction time. <- Please try to comprehend this.
2) The possible bids of everyone that sorts auction by TIME REMAINING, to get good deals.
So no, that's not my fault. It's the fault of a company who obviously can't handle running a game.
For the BUYER too , once he bid he was entitled to the item unless someone else bid within the time allotted .
You did not attempt to reason. You leveled a personal attack.
As for the Ebay argument, if anyone had paid any money to Cryptic in order to host their auction under terms of a contract (as one does every time one lists something on Ebay) they might have a case. However, nothing has actually been lost in this case. The item merely sold for less than the poster expected by virtue of the way he listed the item and an unexpected event. Even in the case of Ebay, nobody would "lose" anything. They would be selling items below their worth but again, Ebay has safeguards to prevent that from happening (the same safeguards the auction house has, if people choose to use them) and I believe Ebay even warns users not to list items below what they're comfortable selling for.
What if.... he did the same thing but mother nature took out the power and he can't do a thing and STILL sold for a low price. Who will be at fault? Mother Nature? Power company?
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.