There needs to be a complete wipe, refund all zen and AD, and start new...We need to speak out and let these people know we are tired of this type of business practice.
No, no, aaaaaaaaaaaand, no. You don't know what you're talking about and are adding nothing of value to what the Developers are already doing.
Why the ignorant choose to open their mouth to a situation they know nothing about is beyond me.
We've made a decision on making a decision, and have decided to make that decision on a decision when we have collected all our facts need to make that decision. We do expect this decision to come shortly after we have made it.
They've formed a committee to determine the members of the committee that will decide how many subcommittees will be needed to fully analyze this issue.
If only it were politics, we wouldn't be waiting for an answer, we'd have given up by now.
xerokewlMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 22Arc User
edited May 2013
I thought that WoW and Age of Conan had bad launchs but this one makes them look not so bad unfixed yet reported bugs Selling store items in a BETA seems alittle suspicious
We've made a decision on making a decision, and have decided to make that decision on a decision when we have collected all our facts need to make that decision. We do expect this decision to come shortly after we have made it.
Further info forthcoming on the gathering of data to formulate a decision about what information is needed in the case where a decision may be reached within the current session set to occur on or before the date of the gathering of the info necessary to provide a basis for deciding the proper course of action in regards to the effect intended.
Not understanding why you wouldn't just shut the servers down due to the severity of this exploit. The economy of the game is broken in so many ways that no amount of traced bans will solve it, I fail to see what "data" needs to be collected for you guys to understand that simple concept.
Well lets see... given that a 24 hour rollback if they decide to go that extreme would wipe pretty much all of this particular problem away, I can imagine that:
1. If you use a little creative thinking and deductive reasoning, its possible servers where left up in order to observe the players and the AH to see who was clearlyt abusing. Makes the job of gathering data a lot easier when you watch the ppl in action while they think they are unobserved.... ya? That too complicated to understand?
2. Its just possible that for the brilliant geniuses who exacerbated this problem exponentially by hollering out the lame brained "warnings to devs" in zone chat in game were totally unaware that this was a Sunday. While community managers and GMs are generally online watching Zone chat, about the worst way to go about getting something done while keeping knowledge of it down to a minimum is to start hollering about it in zone chat, expecting that there is some kind of direct channel to the server killswitch sitting next to some community manager's desk. LMAO... Seriously? WHat did ppl expect to see happen as they started panicing and shouting out about an AH exploit that was putting billions of ADs in exploiters pockets? No, NO ONE is gonna go google and find explicit instructions on how to use this exploit now that they've been told about it by well meaning but incredibly stupid ppl in zone chat. Next time the ppl posting in the forums should have the sense to post in a PM or bug report that isn't open to th epublic eye. And ppl hollering in game should stop and think for a second about how little power the peons in game watching zone chat have when it comes to decisions as large and company affecting as unplanned server kills and downtimes.
3. So, its clear a lot of Chicken Little's are continuing the same kind of attitude, behavior and actions that led to this thing becoming such a large problem in the first place. Namely, getting over excited, running their mouths about things before actually having enough info to make any kind of informed decision... so, maybe all you children should turn your little computers off and go outside for a while. I can tell ya, the weather outside was great today where i live!
Get something straight... if you can't understand the way businesses and their chain of command works and why issues like this a just a little more complex than deciding who gets to pass out the graham crackers before nappy time in kindie garten, then maybe you should actually go get a real job for a few days and learn how the real world works.
No major lasting harm has been done. Things similar to this have happened in so many different games its a joke to even worry about it if youre not on teh company side. Lineage, gw2... theres a good one... you want to see a case of something similar to this but on a far larger scale? Look at GW2 after official release. That was on a scale large enough that it actually did break the economy.. it wasn't something limited enough in scale as to simply be a small hiccup the economy would hiccup and get over on its own over a small period of time. Yes, thats right... Believe it or not, far worse has happened to 9 out of 10 MMOs still alive and well out tehre today. Economies don't break games.. they can add a bit of depth, but in the end what... its impssible to go get 99% of the items in question from actually PLAYING the game?Lol.. go run a dungeon if youre worried about not ebing able to afford that uber rare weapon or armor.
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nodic3Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 4Arc User
edited May 2013
Why wouldnt they just wipe items/currency (refunding pw rm zen purchases) and dish out level-scaled green item kits.
The big reason why most people who dont want a wipe don't want it is so they dont have to go thru the level grind again.
I really dont want to have to do that again, even tho I kinda enjoyed it. But I agree that a wipe will fix the issue best. Just let me keep my level!
shtzngigglzMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 8Arc User
edited May 2013
Sorry but they will NOT do a character wipe. They have already said that if anything needs to be done to characters, it will be done to those characters who were involved in the use of the exploits. A game like this that depends on people spending real world $ will not do a wipe after tons of people have spent money on the game and bought founders packs etc. Please stop making people paranoid and putting word in the Dev's mouths, no mention of wipes has been talked about except for possibly those doing the exploiting.
Why the hell put an real money Shop in Beta phase ?? are u stupid or just greedy ?...Beta phase = bug correction right ?
i think that was the major mistake!
if there wasnt cash shop, wipe already done right now.
If it weren't for the people that have sunk some money into the game the game would mostly likely not be here. Just saying.
Don't feel bad... this just means that you probably have a real life. :P
You're cracking me up. It's good to see someone with a positive attitude. Thank you for post.
My unrelated thoughts on so many other posts...
Personally I've found the game perhaps a bit too easy to level up. I've only played casually about 2 weeks and I'm nearly done leveling up (54 or 55-ish) and I know if I really wanted to level up fast I'd have done so faster. Since I'm not really interested in repeated "end game" repeat runs/raids/dungeons/etc I'm not really sure what I plan on doing once I get to 60 and run out of the solo and small group content. Maybe start another character.
As far as the current kerfuffle I'd like to say I can't believe all the complaining people are doing but I've seen too many things like this happen in too many games and people will always whine. All the arguments for there "needs" to be a wipe or not are simultaneously funny and pointless. There doesn't "need" to be anything. The game developers will determine what they feel is needed and our feedback is only that, feedback. We aren't going to force them.
Regardless of whether there is a wipe or not at some future point there will always be people who demand the opposite, make threats if their wants (not needs, wants) are not met, and will presume they know best. In the end it's almost a certainty that the final decision will be made based not on the squeaky wheel that posts loudest and most often but on whatever the analysts determine will net the game the most money. Our only options are to post feedback and, if we ultimately disagree, stop supporting it by no longer paying money or choosing to play the game. Anything more is about as effective as spitting in the wind.
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internatioMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Well... I Am So Glad I Didn't Buy Any Of Those Astral Diamonds Or Gold From One Of Those Sites That Popped Up All The Time|I Was Close To Buying Though
P.s Where Is The Sword Mage Class They Show In The Begining Scene!!!
We've made a decision on making a decision, and have decided to make that decision on a decision when we have collected all our facts need to make that decision. We do expect this decision to come shortly after we have made it.
I feel that the exploiters should have their accounts permanently banned. With no possibility of being able to play any game ever again. I am so angry with them right now. We have lost our play time, the neverwinter team has had to expend numerous man-hours/resources to try and fix this. I just don't get how people could be so desperate to steal from a game that they would actually do something like this that impacts the entire community.
The mind-boggling thing is they knew exactly what they were doing and did not care one iota for the community, or the developers when they did it.
In conclusion its a Beta test phase,you invite players to test your game for possible flaws,there is no logic in banning your testers.If you want this game to have any future admit to your customers that your decision for naming it open beta or having a real money shop in a beta test phase was dishonest either way and that from now on you will support your customers and treat them with respect.Weather we like it or not,wipe is the only way for this game to roll again,otherwise everyone should open their eyes and see how they're getting exploited by a game company and move forward making this the 1st mmo of history that failed before even going live! My 2 cents..
Actually, there is logic in banning the testers if, instead of testing and reporting exploits, they decide to use them.
Some people don't understand what "BETA test" means, it isn't just to jump in and play, it means that if you find something doesn't work, or something looks broken, you report it. If you just intend on playing so that you can exploit the problems, then you shouldn't be part of the community at all and deserve to be banned, especially if the exploit you are using causes someone else to not enjoy the game. By banning those types of people, they are showing their customers respect.
As for your comment that wiping is the only way that this game will survive through beta testing, that is absolute rubbish, the economy will smooth out fairly quickly once all the cheaters are gone, although they still need to do something about the gold/AD farmers.
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sigaxel77Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Skimming through most of the replies to this thread, I cannot but think, "what an overreaction!".
First of all, it's a game.
Secondly, it's free. If you have chosen to support the developers with your real money, then that was your decision, in the knowing of the game's beta stage, despite its flaws, chances and possible losses. I didn't buy any packs or stuff, but I did spend some
They have already said that if anything needs to be done to characters, it will be done to those characters who were involved in the use of the exploits.
You might want to read up a bit before proclaiming stuff. Hopefully they won't have to, but they did say they were considering a shard-wide rollback. That certainly affects those that were not involved.
"We've made a decision on making a decision, and have decided to make that decision on a decision when we have collected all our facts need to make that decision. We do expect this decision to come shortly after we have made it."
No, no, aaaaaaaaaaaand, no. You don't know what you're talking about and are adding nothing of value to what the Developers are already doing.
Why the ignorant choose to open their mouth to a situation they know nothing about is beyond me.
Well then I'm sure we all want to hear what the almighty defective14 has for a full proof solution. If my suggestion is ignorant, then why don't you tell us a better one.
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No, no, aaaaaaaaaaaand, no. You don't know what you're talking about and are adding nothing of value to what the Developers are already doing.
Why the ignorant choose to open their mouth to a situation they know nothing about is beyond me.
They've formed a committee to determine the members of the committee that will decide how many subcommittees will be needed to fully analyze this issue.
If only it were politics, we wouldn't be waiting for an answer, we'd have given up by now.
All of this is true and majority of players knew it already
Just sayin' because it's true: Trailturtle, you are a class act. Good on ya!
Further info forthcoming on the gathering of data to formulate a decision about what information is needed in the case where a decision may be reached within the current session set to occur on or before the date of the gathering of the info necessary to provide a basis for deciding the proper course of action in regards to the effect intended.
Well lets see... given that a 24 hour rollback if they decide to go that extreme would wipe pretty much all of this particular problem away, I can imagine that:
1. If you use a little creative thinking and deductive reasoning, its possible servers where left up in order to observe the players and the AH to see who was clearlyt abusing. Makes the job of gathering data a lot easier when you watch the ppl in action while they think they are unobserved.... ya? That too complicated to understand?
2. Its just possible that for the brilliant geniuses who exacerbated this problem exponentially by hollering out the lame brained "warnings to devs" in zone chat in game were totally unaware that this was a Sunday. While community managers and GMs are generally online watching Zone chat, about the worst way to go about getting something done while keeping knowledge of it down to a minimum is to start hollering about it in zone chat, expecting that there is some kind of direct channel to the server killswitch sitting next to some community manager's desk. LMAO... Seriously? WHat did ppl expect to see happen as they started panicing and shouting out about an AH exploit that was putting billions of ADs in exploiters pockets? No, NO ONE is gonna go google and find explicit instructions on how to use this exploit now that they've been told about it by well meaning but incredibly stupid ppl in zone chat. Next time the ppl posting in the forums should have the sense to post in a PM or bug report that isn't open to th epublic eye. And ppl hollering in game should stop and think for a second about how little power the peons in game watching zone chat have when it comes to decisions as large and company affecting as unplanned server kills and downtimes.
3. So, its clear a lot of Chicken Little's are continuing the same kind of attitude, behavior and actions that led to this thing becoming such a large problem in the first place. Namely, getting over excited, running their mouths about things before actually having enough info to make any kind of informed decision... so, maybe all you children should turn your little computers off and go outside for a while. I can tell ya, the weather outside was great today where i live!
Get something straight... if you can't understand the way businesses and their chain of command works and why issues like this a just a little more complex than deciding who gets to pass out the graham crackers before nappy time in kindie garten, then maybe you should actually go get a real job for a few days and learn how the real world works.
No major lasting harm has been done. Things similar to this have happened in so many different games its a joke to even worry about it if youre not on teh company side. Lineage, gw2... theres a good one... you want to see a case of something similar to this but on a far larger scale? Look at GW2 after official release. That was on a scale large enough that it actually did break the economy.. it wasn't something limited enough in scale as to simply be a small hiccup the economy would hiccup and get over on its own over a small period of time. Yes, thats right... Believe it or not, far worse has happened to 9 out of 10 MMOs still alive and well out tehre today. Economies don't break games.. they can add a bit of depth, but in the end what... its impssible to go get 99% of the items in question from actually PLAYING the game?Lol.. go run a dungeon if youre worried about not ebing able to afford that uber rare weapon or armor.
The big reason why most people who dont want a wipe don't want it is so they dont have to go thru the level grind again.
I really dont want to have to do that again, even tho I kinda enjoyed it. But I agree that a wipe will fix the issue best. Just let me keep my level!
and make a new event for wipe
you wanna see ppl have ad 999999999 with exploit are you f**k*ng kidding me?
Play offline if you wanna see like that
You're cracking me up. It's good to see someone with a positive attitude.
My unrelated thoughts on so many other posts...
Personally I've found the game perhaps a bit too easy to level up. I've only played casually about 2 weeks and I'm nearly done leveling up (54 or 55-ish) and I know if I really wanted to level up fast I'd have done so faster. Since I'm not really interested in repeated "end game" repeat runs/raids/dungeons/etc I'm not really sure what I plan on doing once I get to 60 and run out of the solo and small group content. Maybe start another character.
As far as the current kerfuffle I'd like to say I can't believe all the complaining people are doing but I've seen too many things like this happen in too many games and people will always whine. All the arguments for there "needs" to be a wipe or not are simultaneously funny and pointless. There doesn't "need" to be anything. The game developers will determine what they feel is needed and our feedback is only that, feedback. We aren't going to force them.
Regardless of whether there is a wipe or not at some future point there will always be people who demand the opposite, make threats if their wants (not needs, wants) are not met, and will presume they know best. In the end it's almost a certainty that the final decision will be made based not on the squeaky wheel that posts loudest and most often but on whatever the analysts determine will net the game the most money. Our only options are to post feedback and, if we ultimately disagree, stop supporting it by no longer paying money or choosing to play the game. Anything more is about as effective as spitting in the wind.
P.s Where Is The Sword Mage Class They Show In The Begining Scene!!!
Wow! Can I borough your T.A.R.D.I.S. cause in my little section of the time space continuum it's still down?
"The server is unavailable at this time."
Says Neverwinter.
We've made a decision on making a decision, and have decided to make that decision on a decision when we have collected all our facts need to make that decision. We do expect this decision to come shortly after we have made it.
The mind-boggling thing is they knew exactly what they were doing and did not care one iota for the community, or the developers when they did it.
Actually, there is logic in banning the testers if, instead of testing and reporting exploits, they decide to use them.
Some people don't understand what "BETA test" means, it isn't just to jump in and play, it means that if you find something doesn't work, or something looks broken, you report it. If you just intend on playing so that you can exploit the problems, then you shouldn't be part of the community at all and deserve to be banned, especially if the exploit you are using causes someone else to not enjoy the game. By banning those types of people, they are showing their customers respect.
As for your comment that wiping is the only way that this game will survive through beta testing, that is absolute rubbish, the economy will smooth out fairly quickly once all the cheaters are gone, although they still need to do something about the gold/AD farmers.
First of all, it's a game.
Secondly, it's free. If you have chosen to support the developers with your real money, then that was your decision, in the knowing of the game's beta stage, despite its flaws, chances and possible losses. I didn't buy any packs or stuff, but I did spend some
Ha ha... Nope.
and make a new event for wipe
you wanna see ppl have ad 999999999 with exploit are you f**k*ng kidding me?
Play offline if you wanna see like that
You might want to read up a bit before proclaiming stuff. Hopefully they won't have to, but they did say they were considering a shard-wide rollback. That certainly affects those that were not involved.
Well then I'm sure we all want to hear what the almighty defective14 has for a full proof solution. If my suggestion is ignorant, then why don't you tell us a better one.