whelp i hope this gets resolved soon, I'm really enjoying this game although my highest toon is lvl 16-17 atm. That said this economy stuff is really confusing and 'm kinda hoping the get rid of the astral diamonds and stuff like that completely as understanding the interaction between cash, diamonds and zen is so complicated that I don't feel like even bothering. Then again that's what BETA is all about finding the bugs and stress testing the servers.
1 - AH exploit - This is what all the current fuss is about. Too bad it was discovered and reported in closed beta, only to still make it in. Through this exploit one can earn unlimited AD and simply clean out the AD vendors, as well as buy up all the Zen they wanted. I knew about it and reported it on the day that I logged in. My ticket was closed and marked as resolved. Upon reading it further, I noticed that a GM told me the ticket was lost and to resubmit it. I did and kept playing. The second ticket was closed and "lost again". So I gave up reporting it.
2 - Quest sharing exploit - This allowed you to reach level 60 in about an hour of playing. It also allowed people to farm unlimited bags, assets, and materials. It was discovered and reported in closed beta, but still made it in to the open beta. Once again, I made a ticket about it only to have it closed. My follow up ticket was also closed.
3 - Foundry bugs - Were used to gain max level and farm gear. Although I knew about this bug, I did not report it because I thought the other two were more important.
4 - The CW set bonus bug allowing them to hit for millions points of damage. This was a very minor bug, but it still allowed a team of two or more CW's to farm end game content. I did not know about this bug, but plenty of people in my guild did.
5 - The GF set bug - Yet another set bug that allowed the GF to almost instantly kill any mob in the game. A lot more consistent than the CW set bug, and caused a lot of damage to the economy. I knew about this a few days into the game, but decided not to report it since my other tickets kept being closed and "lost".
6 - Chest farming exploits - These are still in the game and allow people to farm easy money, as well as gear and ingredients.
7 - There is already a bot out for Neverwinter that members of Tault Unleashed have been using. Currently it can be made to level or exploit chests. They are working on having it take care of professions and auto pray for you as well.
8 - TR DC bug - this was used mostly in PvP to instantly disconnect anyone the TR targeted with certain abilities. It allowed all TR groups to quickly win matches in the least amount of time possible.
9 - Potion exploit - Basically you can have unlimited healing potions - not much of an exploit since you can accomplish the same thing easier by using any other AD earning exploit and buying potions.
10 - AutoHotkey - Macro software that allows you to easily max your crafting.
11 - AFK PvP groups - creating a few accounts and making an AFK group (managed by AutoHotkey or the Viper bot), you can quickly earn XP and gear while you sleep.
12 - Their support site has not worked since launch. That's right, you can't even request a refund or report bugs through that thing! it gets stuck in an infinite loop after you log in to submit a ticket.
There needs to be a complete wipe, refund all zen and AD, and start new...We need to speak out and let these people know we are tired of this type of business practice.
Unless there is a character wipe there is no longer any reason to keep playing this game. There have been so many economy based exploits run at this point the economy is already ruined.
I don't want to hear any whining about how you got max level characters. So do I. I still want it to be player wiped, and they need to take care of the emerging bot problem too. I count no less than 5 at this point and all are easy to detect, but its not being done.
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sylphmoreMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 3Arc User
i didnt make this list but its true. We need a wipe. Let me fill you in on all the exploits and when we found them.
1 - ah exploit - this is what all the current fuss is about. Too bad it was discovered and reported in closed beta, only to still make it in. Through this exploit one can earn unlimited ad and simply clean out the ad vendors, as well as buy up all the zen they wanted. I knew about it and reported it on the day that i logged in. My ticket was closed and marked as resolved. Upon reading it further, i noticed that a gm told me the ticket was lost and to resubmit it. I did and kept playing. The second ticket was closed and "lost again". So i gave up reporting it.
2 - quest sharing exploit - this allowed you to reach level 60 in about an hour of playing. It also allowed people to farm unlimited bags, assets, and materials. It was discovered and reported in closed beta, but still made it in to the open beta. Once again, i made a ticket about it only to have it closed. My follow up ticket was also closed.
3 - foundry bugs - were used to gain max level and farm gear. Although i knew about this bug, i did not report it because i thought the other two were more important.
4 - the cw set bonus bug allowing them to hit for millions points of damage. This was a very minor bug, but it still allowed a team of two or more cw's to farm end game content. I did not know about this bug, but plenty of people in my guild did.
5 - the gf set bug - yet another set bug that allowed the gf to almost instantly kill any mob in the game. A lot more consistent than the cw set bug, and caused a lot of damage to the economy. I knew about this a few days into the game, but decided not to report it since my other tickets kept being closed and "lost".
6 - chest farming exploits - these are still in the game and allow people to farm easy money, as well as gear and ingredients.
7 - there is already a bot out for neverwinter that members of tault unleashed have been using. Currently it can be made to level or exploit chests. They are working on having it take care of professions and auto pray for you as well.
8 - tr dc bug - this was used mostly in pvp to instantly disconnect anyone the tr targeted with certain abilities. It allowed all tr groups to quickly win matches in the least amount of time possible.
9 - potion exploit - basically you can have unlimited healing potions - not much of an exploit since you can accomplish the same thing easier by using any other ad earning exploit and buying potions.
10 - autohotkey - macro software that allows you to easily max your crafting.
11 - afk pvp groups - creating a few accounts and making an afk group (managed by autohotkey or the viper bot), you can quickly earn xp and gear while you sleep.
12 - their support site has not worked since launch. That's right, you can't even request a refund or report bugs through that thing! It gets stuck in an infinite loop after you log in to submit a ticket.
i agreee this game need to be wipe asap , c`mon gm use your brain you wanna game this destroy?
You must thinking fast gm this the right time to wipe .. If anyone buy zhen just put in new char again simple
1 - AH exploit - This is what all the current fuss is about. Too bad it was discovered and reported in closed beta, only to still make it in. Through this exploit one can earn unlimited AD and simply clean out the AD vendors, as well as buy up all the Zen they wanted. I knew about it and reported it on the day that I logged in. My ticket was closed and marked as resolved. Upon reading it further, I noticed that a GM told me the ticket was lost and to resubmit it. I did and kept playing. The second ticket was closed and "lost again". So I gave up reporting it.
2 - Quest sharing exploit - This allowed you to reach level 60 in about an hour of playing. It also allowed people to farm unlimited bags, assets, and materials. It was discovered and reported in closed beta, but still made it in to the open beta. Once again, I made a ticket about it only to have it closed. My follow up ticket was also closed.
3 - Foundry bugs - Were used to gain max level and farm gear. Although I knew about this bug, I did not report it because I thought the other two were more important.
4 - The CW set bonus bug allowing them to hit for millions points of damage. This was a very minor bug, but it still allowed a team of two or more CW's to farm end game content. I did not know about this bug, but plenty of people in my guild did.
5 - The GF set bug - Yet another set bug that allowed the GF to almost instantly kill any mob in the game. A lot more consistent than the CW set bug, and caused a lot of damage to the economy. I knew about this a few days into the game, but decided not to report it since my other tickets kept being closed and "lost".
6 - Chest farming exploits - These are still in the game and allow people to farm easy money, as well as gear and ingredients.
7 - There is already a bot out for Neverwinter that members of Tault Unleashed have been using. Currently it can be made to level or exploit chests. They are working on having it take care of professions and auto pray for you as well.
8 - TR DC bug - this was used mostly in PvP to instantly disconnect anyone the TR targeted with certain abilities. It allowed all TR groups to quickly win matches in the least amount of time possible.
9 - Potion exploit - Basically you can have unlimited healing potions - not much of an exploit since you can accomplish the same thing easier by using any other AD earning exploit and buying potions.
10 - AutoHotkey - Macro software that allows you to easily max your crafting.
11 - AFK PvP groups - creating a few accounts and making an AFK group (managed by AutoHotkey or the Viper bot), you can quickly earn XP and gear while you sleep.
12 - Their support site has not worked since launch. That's right, you can't even request a refund or report bugs through that thing! it gets stuck in an infinite loop after you log in to submit a ticket.
There needs to be a complete wipe, refund all zen and AD, and start new...We need to speak out and let these people know we are tired of this type of business practice.
Are you people serious? It's a game. Just wipe away ALL the currency. Anybody ever play an actual table-top game? You know.. risk or chess or something? Ever wonder what you do if the table gets bumped and all the pieces get mixed up.... you start again. I repeat myself.. but ... It's a game.
Hi guys i used the bug!!!!!! I didn't wanna spend zen on Astral Diamonds so i used it!!! I got all my friends to use it as well then we made new accounts and gave astral diamonds to other accounts IT WAS AMAZING!!!!! I then told more friends about it and they did the same this is awesome!!!! If you guys want some astral diamonds msg me they cant ban all my accounts, or my friends accounts or theres.
I hope they ban you and send their lawyers after you (or your parents, who are obviously terrible at raising children), and generally make your life as miserable as possible for the next couple of years. That would be, how would you say?--"AMAZING!!!!!"
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seattlescirenMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2013
Originally Posted by fangowned
In conclusion its a Beta test phase,you invite players to test your game for possible flaws,there is no logic in banning your testers.If you want this game to have any future admit to your customers that your decision for naming it open beta or having a real money shop in a beta test phase was dishonest either way and that from now on you will support your customers and treat them with respect.Weather we like it or not,wipe is the only way for this game to roll again,otherwise everyone should open their eyes and see how they're getting exploited by a game company and move forward making this the 1st mmo of history that failed before even going live! My 2 cents..
Good point ONLY if the exploit was tested a few times to see if it was repeatable and reported on..IF it was done numerous times and then the exploit was then utilized over and over again...then ban them. Since everything I am reading thus far.. the people responsible did it for quite a long time and benefited from it - THAT is not what beta testing is about. That makes it a bannable offense imo.
Well in his defence it did seem to be the only way for them to acknowledge and fix the exploit, which people would have continued using if it had not been released publicly.
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lycanus06Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 2Arc User
We've made a decision on making a decision, and have decided to make that decision on a decision when we have collected all our facts need to make that decision. We do expect this decision to come shortly after we have made it.
1 - AH exploit - This is what all the current fuss is about. Too bad it was discovered and reported in closed beta, only to still make it in. Through this exploit one can earn unlimited AD and simply clean out the AD vendors, as well as buy up all the Zen they wanted. I knew about it and reported it on the day that I logged in. My ticket was closed and marked as resolved. Upon reading it further, I noticed that a GM told me the ticket was lost and to resubmit it. I did and kept playing. The second ticket was closed and "lost again". So I gave up reporting it.
2 - Quest sharing exploit - This allowed you to reach level 60 in about an hour of playing. It also allowed people to farm unlimited bags, assets, and materials. It was discovered and reported in closed beta, but still made it in to the open beta. Once again, I made a ticket about it only to have it closed. My follow up ticket was also closed.
3 - Foundry bugs - Were used to gain max level and farm gear. Although I knew about this bug, I did not report it because I thought the other two were more important.
4 - The CW set bonus bug allowing them to hit for millions points of damage. This was a very minor bug, but it still allowed a team of two or more CW's to farm end game content. I did not know about this bug, but plenty of people in my guild did.
5 - The GF set bug - Yet another set bug that allowed the GF to almost instantly kill any mob in the game. A lot more consistent than the CW set bug, and caused a lot of damage to the economy. I knew about this a few days into the game, but decided not to report it since my other tickets kept being closed and "lost".
6 - Chest farming exploits - These are still in the game and allow people to farm easy money, as well as gear and ingredients.
7 - There is already a bot out for Neverwinter that members of Tault Unleashed have been using. Currently it can be made to level or exploit chests. They are working on having it take care of professions and auto pray for you as well.
8 - TR DC bug - this was used mostly in PvP to instantly disconnect anyone the TR targeted with certain abilities. It allowed all TR groups to quickly win matches in the least amount of time possible.
9 - Potion exploit - Basically you can have unlimited healing potions - not much of an exploit since you can accomplish the same thing easier by using any other AD earning exploit and buying potions.
10 - AutoHotkey - Macro software that allows you to easily max your crafting.
11 - AFK PvP groups - creating a few accounts and making an AFK group (managed by AutoHotkey or the Viper bot), you can quickly earn XP and gear while you sleep.
12 - Their support site has not worked since launch. That's right, you can't even request a refund or report bugs through that thing! it gets stuck in an infinite loop after you log in to submit a ticket.
There needs to be a complete wipe, refund all zen and AD, and start new...We need to speak out and let these people know we are tired of this type of business practice.
Hi guys i used the bug!!!!!! I didn't wanna spend zen on Astral Diamonds so i used it!!! I got all my friends to use it as well then we made new accounts and gave astral diamonds to other accounts IT WAS AMAZING!!!!! I then told more friends about it and they did the same this is awesome!!!! If you guys want some astral diamonds msg me they cant ban all my accounts, or my friends accounts or theres.
Maybe next time you release a patch and it breaks the game, can it be during the middle of the week?
What are you going on about? What patch that broke the game? Hmmm? I think you missed the entire thing. This problem has existed since closed beta. People talking about it and telling everyone & exploiting it rampantly broke the game. Reading is fundamental to understanding.
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dahlyraMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 7Arc User
As a founder and someone who's happily sunk plenty of cash into this game my concerns are what I'd call realistic.
1. Figure out the exploits performed. Make it so that it can't happen again.
2. Deal with the people who preformed these exploits accordingly. Capture their mac addresses, their credit cards and IP space if not natted and email addresses. Ban the accounts. Hopefully by exploiting your software they took enough money for you to pursue legal action.
3. If you can't track down all the items/AD/transactions linked to this simply roll back to a date where you can without any doubt believe it's safe.
We just want to play, you made a great game. Fix your issues and let's move on.
If they are only going to ban the cheaters for 72 hours that is bs. They should be ban from this game for life and their IP address so they can not make other acct's up. It is a shame that the few bad apples always have to ruin it for the rest of us honest players.
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w0lfpcakfanMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
The damage is already done. Banning/limited wipes doesn't cure the problem, it is just a insulation of the problem. To say "we have done something" to the folks. A guy on this one website I seen today, managed to exploit this from the beginning. He has several accounts, exploited on Account A and B transferred it to legit new Accounts C, D, and E. Give many items to normal Players, and friends too.
If they want "ban" then they must literally ban all accounts which were affected of this. They cant really do anything to clean up all of this. This guy exploited thousands of millions of diamonds, and he was not alone.
It's pretty amateur hour that Cryptic didn't plan on people using the program they used for this (not going to name it, but it is a very well know tool for this type of thing). Really drops my faith that they have the right people in the right positions managing this game.
Oh PLEASE do a full wipe! then the little jerk that wrote: I WILL QUIT! I will tell everyone who as played D& D with me in RL not to play this. They will listen to me, because I am their Dungeon Master. will QUIT. Then the people like myself, that have been playing D&D for the last 30+ yrs can have fun without whining little 14 yr old kids flashing around the bazaar on their hobby horses as if they were 4. GRIN
Don't Mess with the Affairs of Dragons for you are Crunchy and Good with KETCHUP!!:p
At least I can give you some comforting feedback. IF they did ever do a wipe, they would use the same procedures they have demonstrated both here and in STO. In the case of Neverwinter a lot of us bought Zen during the closed weekends. When they did the server wipe, all zen was re-applied back to our store account, so that we could re-purchase whatever items we wanted again. I also went on a crazy spending spree with my AD during closed beta, and when they did the wipe, all of that AD was refunded back to me as well.
As long as we acquired our funds and resources following the game rules, we have nothing to worry about. I hope this helps
It is comforting, actually, to know that they have past actions like that. It makes me have a bit more hope towards a good solution, one way or another. I'll leave it up to the people who actually know what they're doing!
Why the hell put an real money Shop in Beta phase ?? are u stupid or just greedy ?...Beta phase = bug correction right ?
i think that was the major mistake!
if there wasnt cash shop, wipe already done right now.
I think I represent a little-heard majority of gamers when I say I don't much care if you roll back. Don't much care if you wipe. This is a free game, I've been enjoying it, I'll keep playing it. I'd never in my life pay real money in a beta game, so I've never had those kinds of worries. If there's a 24-48 hour rollback, I'll just power through all the work I've done. If there's (ever) a wipe, I've already thought long and hard about changes I'll make to how I play the next time around. It's a beta game, I expect bumps along the way, don't know of a released MMO that didn't go through (sometimes major) growing pains during the beta. The addition of real money transactions within beta games is a very troubling modern development, but I've already made a commitment to myself that until a game goes live, I don't consider it a finished product and it is not yet worthy of my cash. This isn't an indie game or an indie company, they by no means need my money to continue development or survive. This is a multi-million dollar enterprise. For a previous poster who said that beta is for finding bugs, not making money, I have to disagree. In this day-and-age, it has become both. Buyer beware.
Meanwhile, best of luck to the devs getting this sorted out.
For I prefer no wipe just because we don't know the true facts of the case and to make a decision without all the information is well, fool-hardy. It's easy to complain but much harder to fix the fundamental flaws. A wipe is just a shortcut not what I would consider a true fix.
That said I would prefer the solution is to permanently ban all toons that have gained 10k in AD or more and let the rest of the community move forward. The message should be clear. If you use an exploit for your own personal gain, you run the chance of losing your toon. Sure they can come back, but all the mules and any other related toon should be perma-banned.
If your familiar with the 2008 financial meltodwn the reason is simply "moral hazard". You don't want people thinking using an exploit won't have any consequence, therefore perma-ban the toon, give them slots to make new toons with but leave the old one locked and visible as sign of what not to do in the future.
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raddatackMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
How hard is it to find a problem, fix it, and IP ban all those ******s?
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Heh... what patch do you think they released?
There needs to be a complete wipe, refund all zen and AD, and start new...We need to speak out and let these people know we are tired of this type of business practice.
I don't want to hear any whining about how you got max level characters. So do I. I still want it to be player wiped, and they need to take care of the emerging bot problem too. I count no less than 5 at this point and all are easy to detect, but its not being done.
i agreee this game need to be wipe asap , c`mon gm use your brain you wanna game this destroy?
You must thinking fast gm this the right time to wipe .. If anyone buy zhen just put in new char again simple
There needs to be a complete wipe, refund all zen and AD, and start new...We need to speak out and let these people know we are tired of this type of business practice.
I hope they ban you and send their lawyers after you (or your parents, who are obviously terrible at raising children), and generally make your life as miserable as possible for the next couple of years. That would be, how would you say?--"AMAZING!!!!!"
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In conclusion its a Beta test phase,you invite players to test your game for possible flaws,there is no logic in banning your testers.If you want this game to have any future admit to your customers that your decision for naming it open beta or having a real money shop in a beta test phase was dishonest either way and that from now on you will support your customers and treat them with respect.Weather we like it or not,wipe is the only way for this game to roll again,otherwise everyone should open their eyes and see how they're getting exploited by a game company and move forward making this the 1st mmo of history that failed before even going live! My 2 cents..
Good point ONLY if the exploit was tested a few times to see if it was repeatable and reported on..IF it was done numerous times and then the exploit was then utilized over and over again...then ban them. Since everything I am reading thus far.. the people responsible did it for quite a long time and benefited from it - THAT is not what beta testing is about. That makes it a bannable offense imo.
We've made a decision on making a decision, and have decided to make that decision on a decision when we have collected all our facts need to make that decision. We do expect this decision to come shortly after we have made it.
/cough
I think you mean "you're" ?
tee hee, we win u nubs!
Mandatory "The cake is a lie" quote.
Yeah I don't think you're quite grasping the situation here.
AGREE BRO
:mad::mad:
look <<< THIS THE FACT
What are you going on about? What patch that broke the game? Hmmm? I think you missed the entire thing. This problem has existed since closed beta. People talking about it and telling everyone & exploiting it rampantly broke the game. Reading is fundamental to understanding.
If they want "ban" then they must literally ban all accounts which were affected of this. They cant really do anything to clean up all of this. This guy exploited thousands of millions of diamonds, and he was not alone.
It's pretty amateur hour that Cryptic didn't plan on people using the program they used for this (not going to name it, but it is a very well know tool for this type of thing). Really drops my faith that they have the right people in the right positions managing this game.
I was under the impression that "Soon" was Trademarked by another MMO . . .
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I want a cake!!!!!!!!!
It is comforting, actually, to know that they have past actions like that. It makes me have a bit more hope towards a good solution, one way or another. I'll leave it up to the people who actually know what they're doing!
i think that was the major mistake!
if there wasnt cash shop, wipe already done right now.
Meanwhile, best of luck to the devs getting this sorted out.
That said I would prefer the solution is to permanently ban all toons that have gained 10k in AD or more and let the rest of the community move forward. The message should be clear. If you use an exploit for your own personal gain, you run the chance of losing your toon. Sure they can come back, but all the mules and any other related toon should be perma-banned.
If your familiar with the 2008 financial meltodwn the reason is simply "moral hazard". You don't want people thinking using an exploit won't have any consequence, therefore perma-ban the toon, give them slots to make new toons with but leave the old one locked and visible as sign of what not to do in the future.