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RELAX: Net effect of Exploit is small
hurk97
Member Posts: 154 Bounty Hunter
The end is nigh! Oh the Humanity! I too was up in arms earlier but after a little break I put it into perspective.
The exploiters who got millions or billions of AD could only move so much around and I imagine any account with over 20 million AD could be flagged and investigated with a simple database query which would result in the AD being removed from the economy. Sure, there was a large and illicit influx of AD into the economy even if said accounts were banned/AD removed, but say what the devs cannot get is an extra 10% AD added? Or say 20% ? As time goes by, that % decreases as more AD is added into the game via questing, praying, skirmishes, et al. That means prices on items you sell go up a little but the standard store bought items remain the same price such as ID scrolls, etc.
As far as the AD cats go, well the net effect is very little effect on the game with so many having the cat. Sure its nice to have the extra Crit, but within 3 weeks everyone who wanted one could afford one anyhow so the date just jumped forward. On top of it, players who got the cats will be happy having them and the feeling that their account and characters being special and worth more means they will be more likely to remain playing and dare I suggest, even spend more buying Zen. Lastly, since people are not saving up for the AD cat now, they will be more willing to spend them on AH items and buy your overpriced gear.
In the end, the net effect if the devs nab the exploiters will still remain but the devaluation effect decreases as time goes on. IF the devs nab the main culprits and remove their large stashes of Astral Diamonds from the game, we really will not see much of an effect aside from the Emo's going crazy on the forums.
The exploiters who got millions or billions of AD could only move so much around and I imagine any account with over 20 million AD could be flagged and investigated with a simple database query which would result in the AD being removed from the economy. Sure, there was a large and illicit influx of AD into the economy even if said accounts were banned/AD removed, but say what the devs cannot get is an extra 10% AD added? Or say 20% ? As time goes by, that % decreases as more AD is added into the game via questing, praying, skirmishes, et al. That means prices on items you sell go up a little but the standard store bought items remain the same price such as ID scrolls, etc.
As far as the AD cats go, well the net effect is very little effect on the game with so many having the cat. Sure its nice to have the extra Crit, but within 3 weeks everyone who wanted one could afford one anyhow so the date just jumped forward. On top of it, players who got the cats will be happy having them and the feeling that their account and characters being special and worth more means they will be more likely to remain playing and dare I suggest, even spend more buying Zen. Lastly, since people are not saving up for the AD cat now, they will be more willing to spend them on AH items and buy your overpriced gear.
In the end, the net effect if the devs nab the exploiters will still remain but the devaluation effect decreases as time goes on. IF the devs nab the main culprits and remove their large stashes of Astral Diamonds from the game, we really will not see much of an effect aside from the Emo's going crazy on the forums.
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Uhm so what about us legit players? We should just accept that crime does pay in NW?
Let me guess, you got lots of cheap stuff during this thing right?
You have to understand that A LOT of this duped AD is being pumped into the pockets of the average player. I for instance had 25 mil in auctions posted last night, all have sold as of this morning. Average players can post items for isnanely high prices and see their auctions bought in minutes.
To think that these exploiters are simply sitting on mountains of AD is wrong... Their AD has already spread throughout the game and normal players are raking it in large sums... You can't just ban people whos auctions were purchased from an exploiter, and to track down the transactions of all this AD is too complex.
Only a rollback can save this economy. Founders pack AD caused enough issues with this game, now those issues are multiplied...
For a new player joining the game tomorrow, purchasing virtually anything with AD will be impossible. How can a player making 24k AD per day from dailies compete with those of us who have made 10s if not 100s of millions from exploiters.
You're kidding yourself if you think cryptic banning people sitting on mountains of AD is fixing the problem, the problem has already spread to virtually anyone whos had auctions posted in the last day.
Ban them please!
So they bought your auctions and you got a ton of AD... They duped billions, you cannot spread it out through accounts fast enough. 90% of it will get nabbed. Anyone who made 100's of millions from exploiters was in on it as well and should be banned. If they bought all those items, their mailboxes will be stacked full of equipment which can get erased or returned to AH and AD removed. So yes, you are wrong and what I said still stands as true.
And LOL purchasing anything with AD will be impossible... man, if you read the first line of my post I said do not get all emotional, but I guess these forums are filled with emotionally unstable people.
LOL nice one, I implore them to go through my account or anyone I have on my friends list. I do not cheat nor play with cheaters. I just do not sit in my room all day whining to devs and making mountains out of mole-hills.
Nice try
Just a short post. Quite irritated. You are a bunch of idiots, unworthy of human status, who spoil it for the rest of the player base who are just trying to play the game on a Sunday evening during some relax time. I hope karma comes back to bite you in the *** one day...
Thank you, over and out.
Exactly dude, who cares. its a game, it aint that serious.
Yes, Castle Neverwinter drops should be 5 mil each... and most folks shouldn't have access to them. I feel that the economy is fine the way it is... Yes a very small handful of people got ahead of the game. HOWEVER this buys them nothing... remember there is NO raiding in this game. There is only 5 man dungeons.. no world first races, no uber guilds, nothing... Anyone can easily get a group and do CN eventually. Well assuming you fit in the meta which is completely broken but that is PWE's fault.
The only exploiters that honestly have a negative effect on the game are the PvP afters... that ruin everyones matches. The rest of the folks... who really gives a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. (or should)
What's done it's done, items were injected with unlimited AD you could buy zen, gold, best items, level up your characters, give stuff to friends or guilds for free put it on AH where legit players can buy it etc. etc. So please don't talk this jokes man because the prices of some items went 10-1000 times up just in few hours and it's done already the legit people sold some of their legit items for illegit AD or gold now go man try trace it all.If you don't realize this yet this exploit was working on for far more than just 1 day and this will simply ruin the game in short term not even speaking in long term where the game economy is such garbage in design that it is surpise that people still can enjoy the game. Probably the decent gameplay still keep people up in it, and when the mass quits will start it will be all over. I can't even imagine how they want to repair the economy without the full wipe or rollback .I lol'd they may ban half of the people and belive me there still will be billions of billions copied AD floating. I have seen this in many games, saying that they ban people for it is nice to make an PR punishment but it is really bad joke if some one says it will repair the economy.
At some points the economy was so fcked up that those who have used the ah could in hours make billions legitimately and those who were not online or had their items list on AH before the exploit simply gave away their stuff for free, you could say they were robbed by the system
Confiscate the illegally obtained AD, temp/perma ban those exploiting depending on how severely they did it, return any items lost to exploiters on the AH to their owners and what you're left with is a glut of AD that's no bigger than the founders pack surge, and a few embarassing articles in the gaming press (oh and a load of whiny forum posts, so what's new?).
Yes, the bug had been known for a long time... but overnight is when it went public and really got abused.
I cannot understand half of what you are trying to express but I will tackle the half that I think I understand.
1. Remember when people were asking 'Hey, how are players auctioning off huge blocks of AD and Zen at a time?' when game came out of open beta? This AH exploit has been there and abused since day 1 but was not mass exploited until today.
2. Prices went up because mass people were exploiting this and trying to shift AD around accounts. Now that it has been fixed and devs are banning/removing AD from accounts things will get back to normal.
3. It is you who does not understand economics 101 here. The influx of illicit AD has the net effect of increasing inflation(you know what the Fed does for the US Treasury Department when it auctions off bonds via the Federal Open Market Comittee(FOMC) essentially deflating the US currency) which at first was outrageous before the spigot was shut off. But since the devs are tackling this and removing the large sums of AD/Zen that were grabbed from this exploit, the prices will return to reason after a short while.
4. I do not tr.oll and simply want people to calm down and take their unrealistic emotional responses out of the equation.
I suppose there is no reversing what happened and children do childish things and think it makes them cool. I will let you in on a secret. The real world doesn't care about your video game skills and all your awesome items. It means nothing so why hold it in such high regard. This game is so easy to get whatever you want any ways it doesn't even matter. Maybe go get a job and spend a measly $20 to buy the things you want or go ask mommy and daddy if they will buy you stuff if you clean your room or do the dishes.
It is jobless people or children who have no means to pay for something if they really want it and are upset because they want what another person has and feel slighted.
Have you even played this game? The former implies the latter.
Yet another piece a <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> exploiter trying to keep his ill-gotten ****. F OFF. Enjoy your ban.
There it is, emotionally unstable people flinging insults again... big surprise.
Also many people got ad from legitimate sales to people who exploited and used the AD to buy gear, So a lot of excess AD would still exist even if you ban or roll back the exploiters. And many of them could have used dummy accounts to do the exploiting and then laundered it a few times to get it to their main, or spread it around among multiple accounts. Too much AD and ZEN is now floating in the economy to just be able to go on, a wipe is needed at this point. Maybe give us a few days of double or triple xp to let us level back up quicker as a benefit.
Sure in PVP Upgraded mount don't matter like uber super enchantment (ie Greater Vorpal) . Are u serious?
People did not read my post apparently just the title and first sentence.
You think the devs cannot track where the AD was funneled to? You think this exploit was not being used since closed beta and only made public 16 hours ago?
Net effect is people have cats and maybe 20% extra AD in the pool than there was a day ago if the devs get 80-90% of it which should be easy, cant hide 100m AD and 500k zen so easy no matter how many accounts you have. I just don't see where these assumptions of the worst case scenarios and stating them as fact helps get a real perspective on this?
I am not going to rage if there is a wipe but all this hysteria, drama and overstating things does not help anything aside from your cause of falsely provoking the masses into believing this problem is the end of the world to get your way.
Not every person that got money or even a lot of money was in on it. EVERY SINGLE good item was purchased that was on the AH, All rank 6 or better enchants, all wards, all shard/enchants almost, every mount, every bag, every armor t1 or better was gone. Every legitimate person that was selling items received money, some people were legitimately trying to sell top end gear for many millions and people bought it because someone could dup 100mil in seconds.