It's sad but the game seems to be literally tanking before our eyes. Population is already dropping rapidly. Compared with last week the town feels half-empty. Took me and hour and a half in the queue to get one skirmish last night, and even then when I got in we had no Cleric!
It's sad but the game seems to be literally tanking before our eyes. Population is already dropping rapidly. Compared with last week the town feels half-empty. Took me and hour and a half in the queue to get one skirmish last night, and even then when I got in we had no Cleric!
I still get into skirmishes almost instantly... then again I'm a GF. The problem here is obvious.
Ok, I think we need to get some stuff straight so everyone can realise why a wipe is both unnecessary and a bad idea.
The following things will be ineffective until the exploits are fixed:
Banning the exploiters
This will just result in them creating a new free account and exploiting with that.
Resetting everyone.
This will just result in the exploiters exploiting again.
Once the exploits are fixed and the exploiters banned the economy will recover in a few months, there are plenty of AD sinks ingame and a fair amount will leave the market each day. A full economy isn't built in the first few weeks of the game anyway, it would take a few more weeks at least for the economy to stabilize with the post launch rush.
Seriously, you should see the prices people charge for the new tier of crafting mats in WoW for the first few months after an expansions release.
They have said no more rollbacks for a reason. This kind of stuff plays right into the publishers hands, I wouldn't be surprised if they left this in the game on purpose. By pumping so much AD into the market it inflates the price and pretty much forces more people to buy more zen if they wish to progress their character.
They have said no more rollbacks for a reason. This kind of stuff plays right into the publishers hands, I wouldn't be surprised if they left this in the game on purpose. By pumping so much AD into the market it inflates the price and pretty much forces more people to buy more zen if they wish to progress their character.
If you need a more in depth explanation of what I mean here, someone put it rather well before I even turned up. SOE pumped the AD into the market with founders packs and it will cause this.
you have absolutely zero understanding of the way economics works then.
ill try to dumb it down as best i can.
there is a hard cap of 20 thousand astral diamonds per character being generated a day, all other income is netted through means of player exchange, the vast majority of all AD running around currently is regurgitated founders money. the exploiters who are amassing these obscene numbers of money are taking this AD out of play because they'll be selling it, if they don't convert it to zen (escpecially because zen isn't tradable).
maybe some will come back into play via the sales, but regardless, this amassing on a large scale will cause all other actual AD prices to drop, and relative prices to zen to rise, causing zen to become increasingly more difficult to buy, and causing astral diamonds tobecome lower and lower in value, until a point where you will not even be able to afford simple things such as a respec with out paying real cash.
with out injecting more ad into the economy, or redistributing the ad on the banned accounts, the economy will eventually dwindle away.
this combined with the out of play AD on accounts that quit or have since became inactive will just make this game stagnate to a painful level. come back in two months and you'll know what i mean. (hell if you're observant you've had already noticed this trend, its not natural, what has happened in the last week to the ad prices should have had happened over a month period, or longer, but instead it happend far too fast..)
so yes this affects EVERYONE. i don't need your shortsighted bull**** telling me to stop playing because im mad at other people getting things that dont affect me. this DOES affect me, and it affects YOU.
legit players suffer from this more than any one else.
If you need a more in depth explanation of what I mean here, someone put it rather well before I even turned up. SOE pumped the AD into the market with founders packs and it will cause this.
I already replied to this pile of HAMSTER once and I'm not going to do it again. It's utterly and completely wrong.
stonedbillMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
That's it. I will no longer play NW until they fix a lot of the bull****. Exploits, horrible boss mechanics, money grabbing currency, etc. it's bad business and cryptic/pwe have really dropped the ball on this.
This is really disheartening, at it's core this is one of, if not THE most refreshing mmo in years. However, with the way things are being handled, it's really hard to say how long the game will last. Wanting to do an open beta with no rollbacks and an open cash shop was an interesting move, but in doing something like that you need to be prepared to face what comes.
Ideally you want the amount of bugs to be minimal, you can't get rid of every bug without largescale testing, but I'm sure at least some of these exploits could've been addressed. Next, if a major bug does get through, it needs to be addressed quickly, as to not cause permanent dmg to the economy. This is where they really dropped the ball imo, if they did bans and such when these exploits were first brought up it could've stopped the snowballing that's happened. With how bad things have gotten though simply banning the offenders will not fix the jacked up economy. The only real solution is a good size rollback, or a wipe. If that doesn't happen I really don't think it's likely this game will be celebrating a 1 year anniversary, which is very depressing, because like I said before, at it's very core, Neverwinter is a really awesome game.
dont buy anything from in the auction house it become worthless to him if he cant sale it
Why shouldn't i? Its not his fault that game full of bugs. Developers released game? They did. They fix something? Doesn't look like that. So enjoy playing.
...nothing short of a Full Roll Back would save it right now.
Rollback, refund the Zen. (which goes right back into the market). And gift people free Zen.. Not Ad. Slap BoP on all the gear.
They have done nothing but encourage pvp and pve exploiting. And yet to give players a reliable Qing system with fail safe from Afks and ditchers. Players are sitting there with exploiters in a group and can do nothing to prevent it.
Im sorry but patching 2 dungeon exploits lol... when there are a dozen more? And still nothing done to those who now blatantly request Afk parties in zone chat...
Screw the insta 60s... Fine you let them off the hook; encouraging even more exploiting. But this... This is w t f.
Pvp and T1 wont even sell there is so much of it in last few days. Its saturated and now inc the T2... Sure im glad you can afford your gear that you have hard time getting. But there wont be a game left in a month because of this for any of us
You are out of your mind asking for BoP on gear.
Wait until you need that last piece of gear for a set and watch you cry as you run the dungeon/instance 20+ times in a row and never see it drop or if it does someone rolls need and wins the roll.....
Go ahead and add BoP to all gear. That will shut the economy and the game down.
i know we wont get any character wipes, but can we please get some action taken agianst the exploiters, and some kind of rollback?
i mean look at this, this guy i know, using a damage exploit and a boss bug managed to do this in under an hour
he has spent the last 3 days doing stuff like this nonstop, destroying the economy and amassing riches on a mule character to "hide" his illicit actions.
he's amassed over 200 million ad.... and with no rollback once the zen prices tank he's just going to cashout and sell zen, making hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars.
Good job PWE..
(200 million ad @ 200/zen is 1m zen, thats 10,000$ worth of zen, even at 400 ad per zen which is way more than it goes for now is 5,000$ worth of zen)
YAY for the GF bug. This game is trashed already. They won't fix it or roll it back unless it affects their cash shop. Welcome to PWE.
There is no way they will NOT ban these guys. They are robbing PWE off their money. They might even get in real life **** for the big exploiters that could be looking at hundred of thousands of dollar profits. (if you don't believe me go do some research on how much AD in Real World Trade)
They will not ban anyone.
People in my guild have been doing it since it was discovered the GF has such easy access to instakills on anything.
Not one person is banned yet.
Hell the forum where this screenshot was originally posted, the GF said he already made enough money from selling his AD to the farming sites to buy the HotN pack 20 times over, so he doesn't even care if they ban him.
I got all my epics for free from people like this, so I shouldn't complain. And the best news is that my GF can finally do the same thing.
If you can't beat them, join them. Free boss farms for all!
The damage may be done with this current Tier of gear but with upcoming Tiers they can do things like BoP(probably not) and/or have the dungeons be properly functioning with no exploits.
I am not sure I am understanding the problem as such.
If there is a ton of level 60 gear floating around then the price of it will be really low and, really, doesn't that benefit all players?
The only people that this negatively impacts are gold (astral diamond) sellers. Overall though it means that people can get good gear at a reasonable time investment into the game.
Or are you upset that people can get good gear without having to grind for 20 hours a day?
I am not sure I am understanding the problem as such.
If there is a ton of level 60 gear floating around then the price of it will be really low and, really, doesn't that benefit all players?
The only people that this negatively impacts are gold (astral diamond) sellers. Overall though it means that people can get good gear at a reasonable time investment into the game.
Or are you upset that people can get good gear without having to grind for 20 hours a day?
Probably is from a PvE standpoint once you obtain all your gear and everyone else in your guild has then boredom starts to set in. The game has been out long enough to expect new content.
Probably is from a PvE standpoint once you obtain all your gear and everyone else in your guild has then boredom starts to set in. The game has been out long enough to expect new content.
Like content from the Foundry?
Or new items?
Is the game about the items or is it about the experience?
I just read the first post and it makes me furious that PWI does nothing against it. The worst is that I feel they do not even read the forum. They don't care and give no official information. For themselves and the media all goes well and it's a great open beta. A very good cash flow.
Please PWI for the respect of your players give us your opinion on the subject.
I think I'll stop playing until PWI takes position on the subject .. Because there is too much, I've never seen it. A total lack of respect. Just money.
signed : A player called Hero but in fact a very stupid pawn
So far the foundry is not that impressive. I've played through many of them and the writing is terrible along with an over abundance of crappy real world jokes etc...
There are a few that are spot on, mainly the ones that address forgotten realms lore and such. "I am Slayer" is awesome.
"Jazz isn't dead, it just smells funny" - Frank Zappa
Having a Brother who has Downs syndrome I also find the "R" word offensive, I had had many fights growing up because of idiots calling him that and making fun out of his condition.
You coulda have just used the word stupid you know....
Use it again and I will report you or any other person using such a hateful word.
The only people that make words hurtful are those that choose to take offense and be offended. People who do such are part of the culture of absurd political correctness that is stifling society as a whole.
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cloudspiderMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
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I still get into skirmishes almost instantly... then again I'm a GF. The problem here is obvious.
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
The following things will be ineffective until the exploits are fixed:
Once the exploits are fixed and the exploiters banned the economy will recover in a few months, there are plenty of AD sinks ingame and a fair amount will leave the market each day. A full economy isn't built in the first few weeks of the game anyway, it would take a few more weeks at least for the economy to stabilize with the post launch rush.
Seriously, you should see the prices people charge for the new tier of crafting mats in WoW for the first few months after an expansions release.
Where is the AD being pumped in from anyway?
Wasn't it always in the market?
If you need a more in depth explanation of what I mean here, someone put it rather well before I even turned up. SOE pumped the AD into the market with founders packs and it will cause this.
I already replied to this pile of HAMSTER once and I'm not going to do it again. It's utterly and completely wrong.
Regards,
Kalantris
Smoke@stonedbill - Mindflayer - 60 Rogue
Ideally you want the amount of bugs to be minimal, you can't get rid of every bug without largescale testing, but I'm sure at least some of these exploits could've been addressed. Next, if a major bug does get through, it needs to be addressed quickly, as to not cause permanent dmg to the economy. This is where they really dropped the ball imo, if they did bans and such when these exploits were first brought up it could've stopped the snowballing that's happened. With how bad things have gotten though simply banning the offenders will not fix the jacked up economy. The only real solution is a good size rollback, or a wipe. If that doesn't happen I really don't think it's likely this game will be celebrating a 1 year anniversary, which is very depressing, because like I said before, at it's very core, Neverwinter is a really awesome game.
Why shouldn't i? Its not his fault that game full of bugs. Developers released game? They did. They fix something? Doesn't look like that. So enjoy playing.
You are out of your mind asking for BoP on gear.
Wait until you need that last piece of gear for a set and watch you cry as you run the dungeon/instance 20+ times in a row and never see it drop or if it does someone rolls need and wins the roll.....
Go ahead and add BoP to all gear. That will shut the economy and the game down.
YAY for the GF bug. This game is trashed already. They won't fix it or roll it back unless it affects their cash shop. Welcome to PWE.
They will not ban anyone.
People in my guild have been doing it since it was discovered the GF has such easy access to instakills on anything.
Not one person is banned yet.
Hell the forum where this screenshot was originally posted, the GF said he already made enough money from selling his AD to the farming sites to buy the HotN pack 20 times over, so he doesn't even care if they ban him.
I got all my epics for free from people like this, so I shouldn't complain. And the best news is that my GF can finally do the same thing.
If you can't beat them, join them. Free boss farms for all!
If there is a ton of level 60 gear floating around then the price of it will be really low and, really, doesn't that benefit all players?
The only people that this negatively impacts are gold (astral diamond) sellers. Overall though it means that people can get good gear at a reasonable time investment into the game.
Or are you upset that people can get good gear without having to grind for 20 hours a day?
Probably is from a PvE standpoint once you obtain all your gear and everyone else in your guild has then boredom starts to set in. The game has been out long enough to expect new content.
Like content from the Foundry?
Or new items?
Is the game about the items or is it about the experience?
But you are correct that this needs to be addressed and soon. Or they need to simply wipe AD amounts prior to official launch.
newbie rogue extraordinaire
The Foundry is the saving grace.
Please PWI for the respect of your players give us your opinion on the subject.
I think I'll stop playing until PWI takes position on the subject .. Because there is too much, I've never seen it. A total lack of respect. Just money.
signed : A player called Hero but in fact a very stupid pawn
So far the foundry is not that impressive. I've played through many of them and the writing is terrible along with an over abundance of crappy real world jokes etc...
There are a few that are spot on, mainly the ones that address forgotten realms lore and such. "I am Slayer" is awesome.
The only people that make words hurtful are those that choose to take offense and be offended. People who do such are part of the culture of absurd political correctness that is stifling society as a whole.
urdefmad d d d
To buy all that stuff. Which means there is no way for Crypic to lose the money.
If this causes a flood of players to power lvl to 60 then great I think that is a net plus.
There will never be a character wide because all the founders paid for a 7 days head start.
Meaning if their was a wipe we get another head start which is NOT going to happen.