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sblat7
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
My friend posted this pic:
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/view/130513/winter..._www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
So think about it, and maybe do some changes on Trickster Rouge? I dont care about PvE dmg, but in PvP it need to be balanced.
Cheers,
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/view/130513/winter..._www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg
So think about it, and maybe do some changes on Trickster Rouge? I dont care about PvE dmg, but in PvP it need to be balanced.
Cheers,
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2osZ7bI9TDw
And although they dont have as much control as a CW, they have the one control in the game that is a complete and utter death sentence (the long duration daze where you cant even dodge or sprint) which is on a very short cooldown.
It also has a very long range compared to melee and a wide arc. Ive actually dodged away from it, and after the rogue landed and I was dodge range away, still got hit by it.
And in my short stint playing a rogue myself (which turned my stomach too much to continue doing it) I noticed it doing the same thing. Landing on targets way to far away. It can also hit multiple targets if lined up right.
So really all you have to do as a rogue is jump into melee and button mash and you will murder the opposing team.
If you want to actually finesse it, you can, and just use the same three encounter powers all rogues use and have your target slowed and dazed and down to 1/4 of their health before they can even take action.
Hopefully, they take this information and do something about it to balance out the damage of Rogu es and CW. While mymain is a CW, after testing a GWF, they need to rebuff their damage or make them a bit tougher against Rogues and CW (class is 100 tomes harder to play in pvp th an a CW).
-Kymos
PVP is a joke in this game at present and really isn't even worth worrying about until they actually drop in some pvp content with some rewards worth getting.
I see a GWF who was already at half health getting hit by a TR's daily that does triple damage based on how much health was missing.
It's dodgeable, although a bit trickier for a GWF.
Learn about the other classes before calling for nerfs, and learn to counter.
I do feel sorry for the GWF and I really think you need something of a dodge and a damageboost when one on one.
But a problem with one class does not mean a nerf for another.
Actually its really easy with a GWF, Shocking execution is interruptible, they can use the roar or the pommel smash or various other abilities to just knock the rouge out of it and stop the daily. Shocking execution has a huge start up time and is horribly telegraphed, if you don't see it coming, your wither blind or AFK.
People amaze me with their stupidity though... Rogues aren't even close to being the best in PvP
Clerics currently dominate, Astral shield stacking on a point is just ridiculous, the only way to beat it is to have your own clerics astral shield stack as well then engage in a 5 min fight as no one takes any damage.
Second to clerics are the Control wizards, who hit as hard as rogues (yeah, Ice knife does about the same damage as shocking execution, and it doesn't require the enemy to be about to die before it hits high numbers, also castable at range, way harder to avoid and causes knockdown if it didn't kill you outright). On top of the damage, they also have better mobility, crazy range and huge amounts of disruption. The Wizards only weakness is that he's squishy, but.. throw in two clerics stacking astral shield and that weakness is gone.
On a side note, Great weapon fighters currently are too weak, so I suppose compared to them, rogues do look strong.
This game is unplayable in pvp atm unless you are a TR or CW, and you will be on a team or TRs and CWs lol. The lack of input from the company on their plans for classes too is pretty sad.
My GWF tops charts in 60 pvp. My CW tops charts in pvp. My GF tops charts in pvp.
While I admit there are clear advantages with certain builds/comps in a premade situation.
Issue is with the player not the class.
So we don't care about actual balance as long as we get the balance that you want.
But I shouldn't be myopic about it, your right that's, wow, that's painful looking. And to a GWF as well. Thats just mean! Its not like you were hurting him.
But there is supposed to be a class balance coming.
Maybe you will get buffed and rogues will get nerfed.
And we will all get 0 stat cloaks we can only wear in our armor slots.
-party popper-
That's an execute and it looks like he's not even using it efficiently.
Oh well, pvp is very broken right now it seems due to lag issues. Last two days even Takedown is a disgrace. Pop it, wait half a second and then see the cw poof away and then kill the melee class. It's fun. Got 500 glory bonus that time. Even roar isn't working half the time... and then unstoppable not proccing when it's full. Then roar goes from a 9.6s cooldown to 2 minutes... Fun times... fun times. ^_^
The most OP class is CW with so difference, that is absurd try to compare. Its really simple, nobody can kill a cw in 1 vs 1. Only other cw.
If someone here, tell me that with his rogue defeat a cw, there is only 2 options, he is lying or there is a great difference between gs. No more.With the same gs, if you kill him, is cause the cw is playing with only one hand, the other hand is busy... but even of that way, he kill you ^^
About other class, astral shield is the unique weapon of a cleric. All suport in this game is based in that skill. But one cleric can not kill you, and if you push him away of the circle, his so hard to kill like to murder an add.
Gf are really more better than people talks. They can push you and stun you enough to let your life in the misery. One day, people here, meet with a gf and they ll say:" is a cheater", or "you kill me cause you have 12.000 gs". And the same with the gwf. In pvp are goods or are not so bad like people talks.
But, people has right in one thing. The gf are useless in pve, like gwf, cause his work is done for others class really better.
For what do you want a gf (tank) if the agro his always to the cleric? dont mind his point feats, the adds always run for the cleric. So we have a class that can tank, cause gf is really good suporting damage, but i can not take the agro, so is useless.
And the other is the gwf. For what do you want a gwf in your party
"scissors is fine, paper is overpowered" -rock
Enjoy.
Ice Knife can hit just as hard as Shocking Execution. If Shocking Execution is to be singled out, Ice Knife should also make the list.
-Travail.
Yeah... that is usually the case in more "balanced" pvp. But, when you are talking about Neverwinter, you are talking about classes facing off against each other who are fitted for Very HIGH health pool bosses, and adds. Rogues, CWs, are both a major problem currently. Not so much GF, Clerics, and especially GWF. I say this as someone who has a 60 Rogue and CW. Both these classes will soon be all you see in PVP.
As a CW I have to have eyes behind my head at all times, as the massive PVE damage capable Rogues can wipe out 60 - 80% of my HP in one Lashing Blade. Then even if I dodge away, their Execute still hits through the dodge, OR they just spam their CoS, which hits HARDER than a GWF Daily power. (I also have a 60 GWF)
Either the devs need to massively increase HP pools while in PVP for all classes, or tone down damage from all classes. Period. Resilience would also be good as well. None of these Ez-Cheeze powers/dailies from the CW or Rogue that 2 shot or 3 shot people. That's not fun PVP, and the people who do think it's fun or skilled are not in the majority.
The PVP in this game will die if it continues this way. And until someone finds an exploit that allows people to get free zen or AD from it, changes won't be coming for a while.
this. it also doesnt help that the rogue, who does the most damage, has abilities (that i know nothing about since i dont have 1) that give them more survivability than other, much heavier, classes.
More on the Diminishing Returns thing. Every class has control abilities. TRs daze/slow/short knock back. GWFs stun/knock downs. CWs knock back/knock down/slow/freeze/stun ie their force choke rip off. Clerics knock back/knock down. GFs knock back/stun/slow/knock down. With that much control in the game there would need to be DR in PVP. Reduced duration for controls in pvp is also needed. I agree the daze that rogues can apply with dazing strike is pretty brutal on a squishy if they dont read the animation and move. Smoke bomb move out of it. you can see the cloud on the ground. Choke if you have no CC breaker you are going to die before it ends. I agree with not being able to global players within one cd set. GWFs can do it, CWs can do it, Clerics cant but its not like youre going to kill a good one 1v1, same with the GF unless he went Conq line and pretty much just rains on your parade, yes GFs can kill in one rotation of encounters if built to DPS PVP. TRs have to crit to take some one down in one rotation of encounters because 1 of those is going to be utility. 2 damagers 1 survival. Smoke screen is better than dazing strike because if you drop it on a cap point they are either going to stand their and die or scatter. Either way youll cap the point. Smoke screen does 0 damage. So that leaves them 2 encounters for damaging. If they only run lashing blade and ITC or DB they will take reduced damage and can port to you for minimal damage. CoS has 12 charges that dont hit anywhere near as hard as any daily Ive seen. Its a quick short ranged attack that will run out of ammunition even quicker. Seeing the total damage done on your screen from a set of attacks is not even close to being able to say it does more damage than a daily. If you want to say that then the 45k that any class can hit you for if youre being healed hits harder than most dailies. . . you have to pay attention to each hit not the total damage that its done to you.
Dodge, ItC, Smoke Bomb(Which is usually used offensivly, but allows a way to get melee off you for a few seconds so you can stealth + mount away) and of course stealth.
Come on Cryptic, get your <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> together!
Most of em' are awful, some of em are decent, and a few are pretty good."
Clerics is by far the moast game changin class in PVP, not coz of the healing really, the healing numbers are all pretty low. The pots you can pick up heals for more then a cleric class. It's the flat dmg reduction of Astral Sheild + Stat buffs they hand out that makes people unkilleble. It's really bad when 2 Cleric stack it aswell. But having 2 clerics stationary at one point isn't really optional. TR's might come 3d here, but it's not really coz of their dmg, It's supose to be high. The only real problem is how much dmg they can absorb. I dunno if it's deflect or what it is. But some TR's are tanky as hell and even more of a problem to kill then a defensive GF. CW's is one class i have no problems with anymore, as soon as they are out of stamina they are sitting ducks that dies really easy. They are a huge pain when they are many and assist on targets tho. It's really hard to counter. I've never seen a group of 5 CW and/or TR's win against a ballanced group tho. Having more then 2 of either really hurts the ballance and can make it really hard to win.
But here's the thing... ASIDE FROM DODGE IT'S OUR ONLY MITIGATION AND HAS A CD OF 18 SEC. 9/10 I can win a fight vs GF, GWF, fellow rogue, just by activating this 1 skill when they attack me. Because, for some reason, they blow all their encounter powers (and sometimes daily powers) on me in like the first 2 seconds of combat. And then they wonder why they lose.
Well now you know. The secret's out. Feel free to root us, knock us down, wtf-pwn us, whatever. We are as squishy and delicious as crab cakes without it. And please don't nerf shocking execution. It's the only way I can ever catch a decent CW. A good CW... forget about it. Straight counter to rogue.
Like a shield, armor, triple dodge or a sprint?
I could say the same and assume you play a DC
I'm not whining they are OP, I'm just saying that after getting three stacks of bleeding damage on them in a 1v1 and they still happily run around with full health...I go looking for something that I can actually damage.
The thing with TR's is that if they don't get the drop on you, they're dead in the water. Our survivability is IMHO the least of all 5 classes. We don't get armor, a limited ranged attack and two dodges (vs the CW's three) and stealth isn't the get-out-of-jail-card so many people think it to be (myself included) because you can still be targeted after going into stealth.
Seriously, I'm beginning to think that all these nerf x posts are either troll-bait or made by frustrated and lazy players who don't even bother to learn what they are actually up against.
"Me smash buttons, me win!! What, me lose?? You need nerf!!"
I wish rogues did so low dmg at 60.