I'm sorry, but anybody who is paying $40 for a virtual horse needs to seriously rethink their life. I don't care how much money you have, $40 for a virtual horse, virtual giant dog, flying magical butterfly, magical rainbow dustin hoffman, or whatever the heck else PWE dreams up is not an intelligent purchase.
ive spent 20 dollars for multiple skins on LoL, they only are for a single character out of 100 :O
Wish I could see you on the day that you need a lawyer, and the one that you get just happened to read these forums and follow your posts
Any lawyer worth their salt already knows this and doesnt need to read a video game forum to have an epiphany that this is how people think about their profession. Its similar to being a dentist. No one WANTS to deal with them but that toothache / legal troubles arent going to go away on their own.
The prices are too **** high (insert meme here) but this is how it goes in MMOs nowdays as they are using social gaming monetization models to make money. Its well known that a small percentage of big spenders exist in each games player pool, and they will pay the price, simply because they can and because items are available and are better than what they have.
Glannigan, Son of Flannigan, Son of Hannigan, Son of Annigan, Son of Mar!!!
I too shall buy this epic rare bear armored mount thingy and look down on all of you from a high my awesome bear thingy!
I will stand in the middle of the busiest part of the city and cast judgment on all of you poor people! The entire server will see once and for all how much better I am than everyone else. I can't wait to get home tonight. As you all look up to me in awe like the scrub at the club looks to the VIP Lounge.
I swear by my grandfathers balls this shall be done!
- You won't be unique for buying it, get that stupid notion out of your head
- Even if you were, you paid to win it
- There is no individuality in a game as shallow as this. Everything has been streamlined and dumbed down. In some cases where it just copied older games, it copied a version before important fixes were added.
If you prefer paying $15/month for a MMORPG that has over 200 mounts available at your disposal which can be acquired by playing the game, you can always play those instead.
The NW devs need to make money somehow you know! The game devs did not make this game out of charity you know!
P.S. All you people who keep complaining about the Zen Store prices need to stop complaining. You're only making yourself look like a real cheapskate! The game is F2P but that doesn't mean everything is free! You will never find a true F2P video game on this planet, and if you ever do find one, then believe me, it will not last long! A few months or 1 year later, that game will cease to exist since the game developers can't afford to keep it up and running!
- im not gonna pay $40 out of charity either.
- the game being f2p doesnt mean they have to try to make money on every single game feature other than combat. And it doesnt mean they have to sell mount + 2 bags (which are char bound mind you) for the price of one new p2p mmo game either.
Just because its f2p and they 'are not charity' doesnt mean they can charge whatever stupid prices they come up with. Well technially they can do it, but people will just ignore cash shop and not spend a dime on it.
You can mask it all you want but its just a shady f2p model, where they purposely target 5% of fanboys who will buy their cash shop items regardless of their price. They are just banking on that few % spending hundreds, if not thousands of $, to pay for everyone else. Because even if items were 2x more expensive, youd still have same people defending pwe and using same old 'but they need monies! they no charity, we must pay them so they dont starve'.
Glannigan, Son of Flannigan, Son of Hannigan, Son of Annigan, Son of Mar!!!
I too shall buy this epic rare bear armored mount thingy and look down on all of you from a high my awesome bear thingy!
I will stand in the middle of the busiest part of the city and cast judgment on all of you poor people! The entire server will see once and for all how much better I am than everyone else. I can't wait to get home tonight. As you all look up to me in awe like the scrub at the club looks to the VIP Lounge.
I swear by my grandfathers balls this shall be done!
I cant look at you in awe after my eyeballs burned out due to taking a gander at that avatar.
Don't blame PWE for this blame turbine LOL its about what you pay for an account wide mount in lotro. but turbine has an advantage they already had horse hoarders ( looks around innocently :rolleyes:) whom are compelled to have every horse in the game .
don't know if theses prices will work in this game or not, I am not compelled to buy one. honestly I don't care about any of the mounts they are currently offering, which is a new experience for me
- the game being f2p doesnt mean they have to try to make money on every single game feature other than combat. And it doesnt mean they have to sell mount + 2 bags (which are char bound mind you) for the price of one new p2p mmo game either.
Just because its f2p and they 'are not charity' doesnt mean they can charge whatever stupid prices they come up with. Well technially they can do it, but people will just ignore cash shop and not spend a dime on it.
You can mask it all you want but its just a shady f2p model, where they purposely target 5% of fanboys who will buy their cash shop items regardless of their price. They are just banking on that few % spending hundreds, if not thousands of $, to pay for everyone else. Because even if items were 2x more expensive, youd still have same people defending pwe and using same old 'but they need monies! they no charity, we must pay them so they dont starve'.
+1 although it was pretty obvious.
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hipolipolopigusMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Oe noes! A free game earning revenue from things that players will want which aren't essential?!
WHATEVER WILL WE DO?!
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Mounts are usefull for PvP... That's the problem for me. You pay 40$ to get more mobility in domination, so you can move from a point to an other really quickly.
Mounts are usefull for PvP... That's the problem for me. You pay 40$ to get more mobility in domination, so you can move from a point to an other really quickly.
They need to nerf mounts in PvP anyways. To easy to drop combat and mount away in the middle of a fight. Also the mounts don't make the much of a difference outside of who gets where first.
I second the initial statement, prices for mounts are ridiculous.
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cdmcgMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2013
If you wanted to play most current sub based MMO's today start fresh you would spend roughly $200-$250 dollars just for the ability to log into the game for one year. I dont exactly see why people are complaining that you could spend less then that in this game and play until the game dies.
I have drunk up $80-100 dollars in a night. Nothing to show for it but no complaints because I had fun...
Need to look at this game same way. If it makes you happy, then its all good.
I doubt PWE is even looking at the people who say they will not, cannot, pay whatever for whatever. Simple fact is that some people are more than willing to drop cash for some cool looking thing and then go sit on the mail box to show it off.
QQing about how other people spend their money comes across as sort of envious and I doubt anyone who has spent money for some mount or kewl looking whatever really gives a XxxX what others think about it.
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Well I think the prices are high but oh well.If someone wants to buy at that price it is their business.Actually the only thing I care about is chr slots and you get 2 for 500 zen.I was paying 5 for 1 slot in GW1.So it is a good deal for me.I am maxed out on SWTOR for chrs.I would like to see this game do well which means they make money.I think they would be better off using the Mc Donald's approach because even in a bad economy they do good.As mentioned earlier you can earn Zen but if the prices were lower in my opinion more would grab stuff on impulse since it is only x amount of dollars.
If you wanted to play most current sub based MMO's today start fresh you would spend roughly $200-$250 dollars just for the ability to log into the game for one year. I dont exactly see why people are complaining that you could spend less then that in this game and play until the game dies.
Like this game will have a playerbase in a year. This is the biggest Titanic cash grab job I've seen for a while, they really do have a sucessful whaling operation here.
I really dont understand anyone complaining. If the best GEAR, in game..was in the cash shop, then yes, you would have my full support, as well as every other perso playing right now. But this is not Diablo 3, you do NOT need real $$ to make a truly epic character.
and Honestly, I bet quite a fiew of you, probably most of you, have played at one time in your life monthly prescription game. I sure have, quite a fiew actually. So lets just take one of my games. Everquest 1. I played for almost 7 years. 6 Expansion I think? At $50 a pop, as well as $15 a month.
5 Expansions = $250
84 Months = $1,260
Total = $1,510, that I spent, when I was a young kid on ONE single game. Thats not of course including the other costs, computer, electric bills, internet etc.
So do I feel bad some things in the Zen shop, to YOU people are expensive? No..Not really, I'm actually constantly laughing at how much most of you cry as a matter of fact. Its like if you go to a clothing store. A pair of Silver Pants for my wife are $90-100+, do you think, if I complained to the manufacturer there "awesome" pants were too expensive they would suddenly drop the price? Lol of course they wouldnt, why? Because AWESOME PANTS ARENT NECESARRY TO SURVIVE! Get it? You dont "need" a cool mount, theres plenty of ****ty cheap ones you can level up and get the job done.
So no,...no one cares. Get a job and stop asking your mom for money to buy cool **** k thx bye`
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boojakaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I have heard the cash store referred to as a “stupid tax” but I don’t think that is the case really. There are people who pay for what they want in order to get it. Just that. There really is no other consideration than that for them. They see it, they want it and so they buy it and then they have it. It is a wonderfully linear progression from “want” to “have”.
If one is just dead set of calling it a tax of some sort, it would seem to me to be more of a “vanity tax” or “convenience tax”. You get things that make you look different or something that makes life in the game a little easier.
A little critical thinking, however, might unearth something else about the tax aspect of the cash store. Buying these items compliantly at these prices also shows you to be imminently taxable, a pliable cash base ready to be milked.
Will you pay for it? Ayup. How about at this price? Ayup. How about at this even higher price? Sure thing. Even at this much higher price? Heck yeah! Whooo Hoo! Whooo Hoo, why are we cheering?
That’s what the whiners and complainers are talking about here. They may be articulating it in different ways but if you are dropping that kind of cash on a pretend pony, believe me, anger is not the emotion they are feeling for you.
I think i'm starting to catch on. This is the situation of the "price is too high" complainers. "I play this game 18 hours a day, I don't have a job. I cannot afford to drop $30 on a mount!!! That must mean the price is too high, I should go to the forums and waste part of the 18 hours a day I spend doing absolutely nothing productive. Screw you PWE!!!!"
P2W is not acceptable, see diablo 3? That game is in the dump, and it wasn't really THAT bad, it was hard without having gear in inferno, but the fact that people could just buy gear and others couldn't made most people stop playing it, and to the guy that said that league of lesbians is a "low-budget starcraft type of game", what a brainfart, I don't like LoL, but that game made more millions than anyone would ever imagine in a few years, they are bigger than WoW, this game is a "low-budget WoW kind of game" that can be said, this game isn't the next big thing, it could have been something, but P2W is only accepted by spolied brats and unskilled players, its only going to last a few months untill ESO online comes out, or some of the other eastern MMOs that are going to be published.
I enjoy this game quite a bit, but PVP makes longevity, outside of a few people who have the time to spend in not getting better and just playing "fun" content, probably going back to dota until ESO comes around because my friends are really not that motivated to play, IF it wasn't P2W and a little more balance focused I would try to keep my friends playing it, but I just don't see reason to convince them that this game is worth it, I'm sure PW is going to be milking the leftovers and not caring if they could have made this game of the BIG games out there.
EDIT: I'm not concerned with mounts and cosmetics, I'm talking about professions and enchantments.
EDIT2: I'm charging 10 dollars to anyone who responds to me that is willing to pay 40 dollars for a magical horse in a game(what would your girl say? Oh wait you don't have one), just for the thought and time I will put in the response, since you seem to have infinite money.
I think people forget this game is also free to download. So why not just buy a mount, 4 extra character slots, and maybe an extra bag and pretend this is a normal priced game. lol
That doesn't cut the drama, 40 dollars is almost or IS the price for a new game.
but but... devs have to eat too! And making mounts cost less than a new game would make our poor devs starve, so lets try to put things into perspective and respect devs/publishers needs too.
speaking of which, what do you think would happen to poor pwe suits if they change 1% enhancing success to something higher, and now you dont have to use $10 item any longer? Yes! You're right ! Yes you, im looking at you - you got it right - our publishers would starve too !
Now do we really want people making this game so hungry that they cant add more cash shop items in the future? Hell no, and thats why we should support this model, imo. Just to show them we do care about pwe/cryptic guys.
That way, by the time they add yet another, this time 10% faster mount to cash shop, and price it accordingly (50$ would be my bet) we wont have to worry about cash shop threads anymore, as most people starting treads like this one will be long gone, and only people who are willing to spend $50 on a mount will be here. Its a win win situation, isnt it?
So my suggestion would be, lets stop/ignore this cash shop threads madness, and let natural selection do its job )
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ive spent 20 dollars for multiple skins on LoL, they only are for a single character out of 100 :O
Any lawyer worth their salt already knows this and doesnt need to read a video game forum to have an epiphany that this is how people think about their profession. Its similar to being a dentist. No one WANTS to deal with them but that toothache / legal troubles arent going to go away on their own.
The prices are too **** high (insert meme here) but this is how it goes in MMOs nowdays as they are using social gaming monetization models to make money. Its well known that a small percentage of big spenders exist in each games player pool, and they will pay the price, simply because they can and because items are available and are better than what they have.
I too shall buy this epic rare bear armored mount thingy and look down on all of you from a high my awesome bear thingy!
I will stand in the middle of the busiest part of the city and cast judgment on all of you poor people! The entire server will see once and for all how much better I am than everyone else. I can't wait to get home tonight. As you all look up to me in awe like the scrub at the club looks to the VIP Lounge.
I swear by my grandfathers balls this shall be done!
- Even if you were, you paid to win it
- There is no individuality in a game as shallow as this. Everything has been streamlined and dumbed down. In some cases where it just copied older games, it copied a version before important fixes were added.
Short form:
The shops prices arent even a bit responsible, and perfect worlds image represented by them makes me to not want to waste a single buck at the store.
They would make much more money with lower prices. A mount for 15-20€? A cool pet for 10-15? Shure... but 70€?! ****ing stupid...
Sorry for my bad english.
- im not gonna pay $40 out of charity either.
- the game being f2p doesnt mean they have to try to make money on every single game feature other than combat. And it doesnt mean they have to sell mount + 2 bags (which are char bound mind you) for the price of one new p2p mmo game either.
Just because its f2p and they 'are not charity' doesnt mean they can charge whatever stupid prices they come up with. Well technially they can do it, but people will just ignore cash shop and not spend a dime on it.
You can mask it all you want but its just a shady f2p model, where they purposely target 5% of fanboys who will buy their cash shop items regardless of their price. They are just banking on that few % spending hundreds, if not thousands of $, to pay for everyone else. Because even if items were 2x more expensive, youd still have same people defending pwe and using same old 'but they need monies! they no charity, we must pay them so they dont starve'.
I cant look at you in awe after my eyeballs burned out due to taking a gander at that avatar.
don't know if theses prices will work in this game or not, I am not compelled to buy one. honestly I don't care about any of the mounts they are currently offering, which is a new experience for me
+1 although it was pretty obvious.
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They need to nerf mounts in PvP anyways. To easy to drop combat and mount away in the middle of a fight. Also the mounts don't make the much of a difference outside of who gets where first.
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Need to look at this game same way. If it makes you happy, then its all good.
I doubt PWE is even looking at the people who say they will not, cannot, pay whatever for whatever. Simple fact is that some people are more than willing to drop cash for some cool looking thing and then go sit on the mail box to show it off.
QQing about how other people spend their money comes across as sort of envious and I doubt anyone who has spent money for some mount or kewl looking whatever really gives a XxxX what others think about it.
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Like this game will have a playerbase in a year. This is the biggest Titanic cash grab job I've seen for a while, they really do have a sucessful whaling operation here.
and Honestly, I bet quite a fiew of you, probably most of you, have played at one time in your life monthly prescription game. I sure have, quite a fiew actually. So lets just take one of my games. Everquest 1. I played for almost 7 years. 6 Expansion I think? At $50 a pop, as well as $15 a month.
5 Expansions = $250
84 Months = $1,260
Total = $1,510, that I spent, when I was a young kid on ONE single game. Thats not of course including the other costs, computer, electric bills, internet etc.
So do I feel bad some things in the Zen shop, to YOU people are expensive? No..Not really, I'm actually constantly laughing at how much most of you cry as a matter of fact. Its like if you go to a clothing store. A pair of Silver Pants for my wife are $90-100+, do you think, if I complained to the manufacturer there "awesome" pants were too expensive they would suddenly drop the price? Lol of course they wouldnt, why? Because AWESOME PANTS ARENT NECESARRY TO SURVIVE! Get it? You dont "need" a cool mount, theres plenty of ****ty cheap ones you can level up and get the job done.
So no,...no one cares. Get a job and stop asking your mom for money to buy cool **** k thx bye`
does this also count for companions? Cause I bought a galeb duhr for my GWF, but I don't use that char anymore xD
If one is just dead set of calling it a tax of some sort, it would seem to me to be more of a “vanity tax” or “convenience tax”. You get things that make you look different or something that makes life in the game a little easier.
A little critical thinking, however, might unearth something else about the tax aspect of the cash store. Buying these items compliantly at these prices also shows you to be imminently taxable, a pliable cash base ready to be milked.
Will you pay for it?
Ayup.
How about at this price?
Ayup.
How about at this even higher price?
Sure thing.
Even at this much higher price?
Heck yeah!
Whooo Hoo!
Whooo Hoo, why are we cheering?
That’s what the whiners and complainers are talking about here. They may be articulating it in different ways but if you are dropping that kind of cash on a pretend pony, believe me, anger is not the emotion they are feeling for you.
It seems David Hannum was right.
^^^^ This cuts through the drama.
With apologies to munkey81
Any game the requires a monthly prescription I don't want any of it
I enjoy this game quite a bit, but PVP makes longevity, outside of a few people who have the time to spend in not getting better and just playing "fun" content, probably going back to dota until ESO comes around because my friends are really not that motivated to play, IF it wasn't P2W and a little more balance focused I would try to keep my friends playing it, but I just don't see reason to convince them that this game is worth it, I'm sure PW is going to be milking the leftovers and not caring if they could have made this game of the BIG games out there.
EDIT: I'm not concerned with mounts and cosmetics, I'm talking about professions and enchantments.
EDIT2: I'm charging 10 dollars to anyone who responds to me that is willing to pay 40 dollars for a magical horse in a game(what would your girl say? Oh wait you don't have one), just for the thought and time I will put in the response, since you seem to have infinite money.
That doesn't cut the drama, 40 dollars is almost or IS the price for a new game.
this
but but... devs have to eat too! And making mounts cost less than a new game would make our poor devs starve, so lets try to put things into perspective and respect devs/publishers needs too.
speaking of which, what do you think would happen to poor pwe suits if they change 1% enhancing success to something higher, and now you dont have to use $10 item any longer? Yes! You're right ! Yes you, im looking at you - you got it right - our publishers would starve too !
Now do we really want people making this game so hungry that they cant add more cash shop items in the future? Hell no, and thats why we should support this model, imo. Just to show them we do care about pwe/cryptic guys.
That way, by the time they add yet another, this time 10% faster mount to cash shop, and price it accordingly (50$ would be my bet) we wont have to worry about cash shop threads anymore, as most people starting treads like this one will be long gone, and only people who are willing to spend $50 on a mount will be here. Its a win win situation, isnt it?
So my suggestion would be, lets stop/ignore this cash shop threads madness, and let natural selection do its job