omg THIS IS NOT ABOUT TOP DPS FOR GOD SAKE, THIS IS TO JUST SHOW CASE A BUILD I THOUGHT WOULD BE PRETTY COOL FOR THE THIRD TIME................. Now do you all finally get that geeze lol I was just suggesting a good dps build im going, NOT THE BEST, No where on this forum post do I say this is by far the best, endgame, OP, no one will top it build, no I just said this is a good dps spec that I am going and I was wanting other's feedback on it haha my god man. But if you all wanna see how this stands endgame then I will come back when I'm 60 and let you know since that's all you guys care about. Until then for those who just want to try it or think it's cool plz continue to leave feedback thx
people stop getting the wrong idea here, I'm just suggesting that right now its damaging really well with rogues thats all
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edited May 2013
Yes, CW can compete at the top in dps. Until you hit 60. At that level rogues and even GWFs will out dps you. And you will come to find that your cc abilities are far more useful to the group. Especially in 8300+ runs. You will end up running thaumatergy for that reason (or some peeps go hybrid control/thau.
For leveling to 60 any dps build is fine. Above that you have to change your roll from dps/cc to cc with some dps. Because group survivability is all that matters for progression.
Yes, CW can compete at the top in dps. Until you hit 60. At that level rogues and even GWFs will out dps you. And you will come to find that your cc abilities are far more useful to the group. Especially in 8300+ runs. You will end up running thaumatergy for that reason (or some peeps go hybrid control/thau.
For leveling to 60 any dps build is fine. Above that you have to change your roll from dps/cc to cc with some dps. Because group survivability is all that matters for progression.
I'm definitely not seeing this at 60. Not a single rogue has beat me in dps once I hit 60 and I'm not even trying to be the top. I think people are just badly specing their toons. Once the min/maxers start publishing builds I think people will be surprised. Rogues are definitely not OP.... Of course I'm speaking purely PVE here.
Its fine for lvling but I don't think that at lvl 60 epic dungeons a damage oriented wizard is better than a controller one. In my group, a lot of situations became peace of cake when controller specced CW stepped in.
The key is teamwork, not the top of the damage chart.
I never said I was doing this for top charts, I'm doing it for high dmg, not competitively but to satisfy myself. Its just a suggestion. I mean other dmg classes can build to defend themselves than depending to the CW to keep them safe. More defense and lifesteal or anything. Ill just see how it ends up working at 60. I mean if I'm melting things quick whats the point of a CC. And to Zedfighter that guy is pretty strong by himself. When I hit 60 I'll just show you a vid of me killing things in general. I melt stuff pretty fast. Idk again for the 4th time why everyone is thinking im suggesting this to top the charts in damage or something. I was just suggesting a DPS build and was wanting fellow DPS CWs or ones who want to try it to give me feedback on this type of build. Yes I compared it to a rogue in the pic to just showcase that it is high damage but this is not to be competitive
I never said I was doing this for top charts, I'm doing it for high dmg, not competitively but to satisfy myself. Its just a suggestion. I mean other dmg classes can build to defend themselves than depending to the CW to keep them safe. More defense and lifesteal or anything. Ill just see how it ends up working at 60. I mean if I'm melting things quick whats the point of a CC. And to Zedfighter that guy is pretty strong by himself. When I hit 60 I'll just show you a vid of me killing things in general. I melt stuff pretty fast. Idk again for the 4th time why everyone is thinking im suggesting this to top the charts in damage or something. I was just suggesting a DPS build and was wanting fellow DPS CWs or ones who want to try it to give me feedback on this type of build. Yes I compared it to a rogue in the pic to just showcase that it is high damage but this is not to be competitive
That last line was not wrote to judge or to try to say how you have to play your class. Just contributing with my perspective, based on my play group and the way its set. But yes, I do fear the players that are interested only in topping the charts, even in detriment of the overall group performance. We know theres people like that out there.
There are some spawns, specially with multiple healing mobs (the Erinyes in the Chartilifax battle comes to mind) that will heal every mob to full in a blink if not taken care off. This is only one example and other boss fights have some key spawn points where CCs can save the day.
And boss fights is the thing I care most for, not trash killing. Sometimes raw power is not suficient, but I look with interest to how your build philosophy wll fare in the endgame. Having options is always good and if a pure damage CW can turn these tricky encounters to manageable ones, the better.
omg THIS IS NOT ABOUT TOP DPS FOR GOD SAKE, THIS IS TO JUST SHOW CASE A BUILD I THOUGHT WOULD BE PRETTY COOL FOR THE THIRD TIME
jay, this is an MMO forum. You have to go into it with the expectation that no one will read anything but the first post. That's why you have people on page 4 asking for the build (which you posted on page 2 and later edited into the OP) and missing the fact that you mentioned this wasn't a max level build or plan or that you use this build when SOLO. That's why people are chastising you and talking about 'teamwork'. They didn't get the memo.
If it counts for anything, there are a few of us who took interest in your experiment since we had planned to do something similar with offbeat builds. (And we don't PUG so our spectacular flameouts wouldn't affect the general populace....until we posted the videos, at least). I didn't know if I wanted to wait until 2017 (or whenever the hell PWE decides to roll out an actual primary damage caster), so square peg in round hole is the alternative.
To top PvP you don't need to worry about damage or killing blows. Cap the nodes, defend the nodes, get assists earn the points. You can top PvP list with out getting a single Kill.
Keep on working on your build Jay. I am interested in seeing how this continues to grow. I myself have been working on a purely AoE control build that I will share in the future. The best part about it is it works vs a single target or multiple targets. I just need a little more recovery to tighten up the gap between rotations. Getting the Steal Time spell down to a reasonable cooldown amount is hard lol.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
Hey Jayiznoob, I am also topping the last couple skirmishes since I respec'd heavily influenced by your build.
I still have Entangling Embrace because it's just too good, and decent dmg. I use it in place of RoE.
I killed Grubnuub(?) the Dragon skirmish and got top dps twice. Second time it was just by a hair over a rogue. My feats are similar, but i have now gotten 5/5 in the one that makes At Will powers 30% more dmg if within 20ft (since I usually am).
Grats man good to hear your build is doing well I think im going to put in a good amount of recovery in the build to lower that gap where everything is on CD and also build up to ice knife quicker, we will see how that goes
Wish I was on Dragon. My Wiz is Mindflayer I'm sure.
I am quite happy because between EE and CS, I have a hard and soft CC, but I still have a nice DPS output.
So for now, all is well. I'm having trouble deciding on my next feat choice direction, more Thaumaturge likely. I like how fast I get AP, I don't get the "no Action Points" crud anymore.
I'll have to SS when the server comes up for stats, I believe I have 13% recharge from 23 Int, plus 4-5% from recovery.
I see I see, sounds good man, we will figure out these builds, and dont worry about us not being on the same shard right now, they are going to merge them all down the road so maybe we will get to play together someday, just keep in touch
dps build cw is good but what would be better is a game mechanic that allowed cw to control. Dps in this game draws very little agro while any other action draws agro. nothing like watching a gwf fight a pack of mobs for 1 or 2 min and have the cleric get close and his reg draws every mob to him.
Sup guys, I been trying to no life it to 60 (53 now) and everything and I decided to take a interest new route and build that I am going to go over now that I use. This build is now dedicated to like 85-90% dps and 10-15% CC. This is not a chart topping damage build or anything but a fun one imo with still good damage.
You will still dps good as you see here: GWF in 1st, Me in 2nd and a Rogue in 3rd. (btw before you click this link keep in mind that this GWF that was in first was insanely geared at the level and the last dungeon that I ran to gear up was the one at 44) http://i.imgur.com/WiH8xv9.jpg
Focus on gear: Power > Crit > Armor Pen > Recovery > Defense
Dailies: Ice Knife and Ice Storm
Passives: Evocation and Storm Spell
Spell Mastery: Shard of the Endless Avalanche ( why, you will have better ball control and it does really good damage, there is nothing like seeing a bunch of enemies fall like bowling pins XD)
Encounters: Ray of Enfeeblement, Chill Strike, and Sudden Storm
At Wills: Magic Missle and Storm Pillar
Rotation: Unlike my first build on here there isn't really a rotation to this build because its more decision making(ish) It's more of an opener than a rotation. Just make sure you pop COI first and SEA to get it on CD asap because of the long CD, after that make your own rotation
So what do you guys think of these changes and thanks for feedback in advance
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people stop getting the wrong idea here, I'm just suggesting that right now its damaging really well with rogues thats all
For leveling to 60 any dps build is fine. Above that you have to change your roll from dps/cc to cc with some dps. Because group survivability is all that matters for progression.
I'm definitely not seeing this at 60. Not a single rogue has beat me in dps once I hit 60 and I'm not even trying to be the top. I think people are just badly specing their toons. Once the min/maxers start publishing builds I think people will be surprised. Rogues are definitely not OP.... Of course I'm speaking purely PVE here.
Yuck! it took you forever to kill that one single mob =\
The key is teamwork, not the top of the damage chart.
That last line was not wrote to judge or to try to say how you have to play your class. Just contributing with my perspective, based on my play group and the way its set. But yes, I do fear the players that are interested only in topping the charts, even in detriment of the overall group performance. We know theres people like that out there.
There are some spawns, specially with multiple healing mobs (the Erinyes in the Chartilifax battle comes to mind) that will heal every mob to full in a blink if not taken care off. This is only one example and other boss fights have some key spawn points where CCs can save the day.
And boss fights is the thing I care most for, not trash killing. Sometimes raw power is not suficient, but I look with interest to how your build philosophy wll fare in the endgame. Having options is always good and if a pure damage CW can turn these tricky encounters to manageable ones, the better.
jay, this is an MMO forum. You have to go into it with the expectation that no one will read anything but the first post. That's why you have people on page 4 asking for the build (which you posted on page 2 and later edited into the OP) and missing the fact that you mentioned this wasn't a max level build or plan or that you use this build when SOLO. That's why people are chastising you and talking about 'teamwork'. They didn't get the memo.
If it counts for anything, there are a few of us who took interest in your experiment since we had planned to do something similar with offbeat builds. (And we don't PUG so our spectacular flameouts wouldn't affect the general populace....until we posted the videos, at least). I didn't know if I wanted to wait until 2017 (or whenever the hell PWE decides to roll out an actual primary damage caster), so square peg in round hole is the alternative.
http://i.imgur.com/8RamzlM.jpg
Keep on working on your build Jay. I am interested in seeing how this continues to grow. I myself have been working on a purely AoE control build that I will share in the future. The best part about it is it works vs a single target or multiple targets. I just need a little more recovery to tighten up the gap between rotations. Getting the Steal Time spell down to a reasonable cooldown amount is hard lol.
PVPer rocking it Solo queue style since the dawn of Neverwinter
I still have Entangling Embrace because it's just too good, and decent dmg. I use it in place of RoE.
I killed Grubnuub(?) the Dragon skirmish and got top dps twice. Second time it was just by a hair over a rogue. My feats are similar, but i have now gotten 5/5 in the one that makes At Will powers 30% more dmg if within 20ft (since I usually am).
Ice Knife rules butt (3 slotted now).
I'm lvl 45.
I am quite happy because between EE and CS, I have a hard and soft CC, but I still have a nice DPS output.
So for now, all is well. I'm having trouble deciding on my next feat choice direction, more Thaumaturge likely. I like how fast I get AP, I don't get the "no Action Points" crud anymore.
I'll have to SS when the server comes up for stats, I believe I have 13% recharge from 23 Int, plus 4-5% from recovery.
You will still dps good as you see here: GWF in 1st, Me in 2nd and a Rogue in 3rd. (btw before you click this link keep in mind that this GWF that was in first was insanely geared at the level and the last dungeon that I ran to gear up was the one at 44)
http://i.imgur.com/WiH8xv9.jpg
My New Feats:http://i.imgur.com/jsfbuNS.jpg
Edit: i just added Conduct of Ice so im going for that last point next
Focus on gear: Power > Crit > Armor Pen > Recovery > Defense
Dailies: Ice Knife and Ice Storm
Passives: Evocation and Storm Spell
Spell Mastery: Shard of the Endless Avalanche ( why, you will have better ball control and it does really good damage, there is nothing like seeing a bunch of enemies fall like bowling pins XD)
Encounters: Ray of Enfeeblement, Chill Strike, and Sudden Storm
At Wills: Magic Missle and Storm Pillar
Rotation: Unlike my first build on here there isn't really a rotation to this build because its more decision making(ish) It's more of an opener than a rotation. Just make sure you pop COI first and SEA to get it on CD asap because of the long CD, after that make your own rotation
So what do you guys think of these changes and thanks for feedback in advance
http://i.imgur.com/0E4pt6k.jpg
no you just cant get picked up if you go down again, injury kits removes reduced damage from injuries
Nothing compares to TR single target, all they have to do is use their at will and they top the charts.