I feel that PW completely dropped the ball on the guardian supporters here, that they are placed behind in the queue with people who haven't payed is an outrage. That I have to watch my guardian friends sit in a queue of 5000+ angers me greatly. This should be fixed, especially since they had a silver VIP status on the pack in the first place, which is easily comparable to the golden/orange VIP status the HoTN founders have. And that it suddenly doesn't mean the same thing is an outright lie.
This poll should also be locked for f2p accounts, seeing as the last option on the poll is without a doubt voted purely by f2p people who disagree with this, when in fact they in all honesty should have NO say in the matter.
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mjperkinsMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 21Arc User
How, exactly, were we tricked? The HotN pack always said it had priority access, and the Guardian pack never said anything about it. I don't know about you, but I knew full well that I wouldn't have queue priority when I bought the pack.
And I'm not going to vote in the poll, because while it would be NICE to get priority over the F2P, I know what I payed for.
In March, PWE said that both Founders would get VIP access. PWE defines VIP access as queue priority. Closed Beta access was different. So the comments from PWE conflict and are very misleading. Read everything with no bias. Remove the queue issue and there is no debate needed.
aveanMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
I feel you guys got more than enough value from the mount and pets forever and the diamonds.
The HOTN didnt really get that much more with triple the cost, remember the point in reaching the que will be far larger, smaller, and less often. It wasnt in your pack.
I'm okay with guardians getting in before free players, but i think they should be behind hotns. Otherwise it just makes the hotn pack worth even less. I didn't pay for hotn, but if i did, i'd be peeved if guardians got all the same privileges as me. (I'm a guardian)
The current queue experience is temporary and unexpected. We'll be working on it throughout open beta to ensure that everyone is able to get in smoothly. For now, please consider the inconvenience of waiting to be an issue that we are working hard to resolve.
Dez I am getting very concerned that these posts keep saying "We'll be working on it throughout open beta". Why not just fix it now? The servers were brought down for 4 hours for what I am sure we all thought was a fix to the problem. This shouldn't be an issue that takes days/weeks/months to fix.
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okolo64Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 15Arc User
edited May 2013
There has been a bit of redefinition on PW's part of what VIP access means since the packs were offered, (sometimes meaning early access, now queue priority) but at the time, I bought the Guardian pack with full knowledge that it didn't have the queue priority that the Hero pack did. Queues are just a fact of life for most MMO releases, but if Cryptic and PW don't do something to relieve the current very long queue times (other than doing nothing and having people stop playing due to frustration), then I think the idea should be revisited, but placing Guardians behind Hero accounts. Anything other than that cheapens one of the purchasing perks of the Hero pack.
And yes, I did say release, because refunding all prior purchases for Day 1 of a no-future-wipe Open Beta, complete with fully functional cash shop, is for all intents and purposes a Release, just with a built-in quality control excuse.
we've done the grunt work..f2p should be at the end of the line most definitely.I don't see a "bug" report button on the screen now..anyone else?..no..that's cause your HotNs and Guardians did the work FOR you.Fair is fair.
All our stuff we bought for 60 and 200 bucks really doesn't matter now does it?..if we can't log in and play?
we've done the grunt work..f2p should be at the end of the line most definitely.I don't see a "bug" report button on the screen now..anyone else?..no..that's cause your HotNs and Guardians did the work FOR you.Fair is fair.
All our stuff we bought for 60 and 200 bucks really doesn't matter now does it?..if we can't log in and play?
Ummm...no. The Alphas and those that participated in the CBWs did most of the testing, tyvm.
This game is like a store. Waiting in line temporarily when overcrowded is somewhat understandable. If I was in Walmart though and someone cut in line then the cashier said it's okay because they are buying more stuff than me though, I'd be pretty irritated.
No tyvm I used the bug report feature quite a bit that I paid to use..You're welcome.
You didn't pay to use it, get off your freakin' high horse, you played for a pack with a lot of mostly useless items. I spent plenty of zen on the items I want (bags and extra character slots) and participated in all the CBWs. Filed plenty of bug reports because I was more concerned with testing the game than with how much money I spent;).
I think you should be first inline at the cash shop to shell out more money for a priority queue token good for 1 time login priority for...oh I dont know....from cryptics pricing scheme, I'd say...20 bucks sounds about right.
If I havent offended you today....dont worry!!!....there's always tomorrow. Of course, you could also go to here for all I care.
Maybe people should simply learn to read what they're buying before making a purchase.
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armored22Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
472 Votes, and i agree with what the poll is showing. Coming in behind the HoTN players in Queue seems to not only be fair but very logic. As some of you are saying that "You knew what you where getting when you bought the Guardian pack." is not 100% true as there where a lot of misconstruing information among both packs.
You're still QQ'ing to try and get something you didn't pay for?
Either pay the $200 or stfu, honestly.
The average f2p player will probably spend well over $60 as they play the game, and you'll spend nothing and keep QQ'ing for years.
There weren't even any ques or long waits today anyway.
You're all butt hurt and mad because you waited in a que 1 time 1 day when the game launched.
Yet you refused to pay the money required to skip the que.
It's not about what's right. It's about what you purchased. You did NOT purchase a VIP login. HOTN did. Just live with it. I'm sure you like many others just figured it would never matter.
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armored22Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
The point is still based on what the descriptions where at the start before they changed them.
Regardless if they did or did not have that option included, that is in fact what this poll is about none the less ^_^
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This poll should also be locked for f2p accounts, seeing as the last option on the poll is without a doubt voted purely by f2p people who disagree with this, when in fact they in all honesty should have NO say in the matter.
In March, PWE said that both Founders would get VIP access. PWE defines VIP access as queue priority. Closed Beta access was different. So the comments from PWE conflict and are very misleading. Read everything with no bias. Remove the queue issue and there is no debate needed.
The HOTN didnt really get that much more with triple the cost, remember the point in reaching the que will be far larger, smaller, and less often. It wasnt in your pack.
Dez I am getting very concerned that these posts keep saying "We'll be working on it throughout open beta". Why not just fix it now? The servers were brought down for 4 hours for what I am sure we all thought was a fix to the problem. This shouldn't be an issue that takes days/weeks/months to fix.
And yes, I did say release, because refunding all prior purchases for Day 1 of a no-future-wipe Open Beta, complete with fully functional cash shop, is for all intents and purposes a Release, just with a built-in quality control excuse.
All our stuff we bought for 60 and 200 bucks really doesn't matter now does it?..if we can't log in and play?
Ummm...no. The Alphas and those that participated in the CBWs did most of the testing, tyvm.
No tyvm I used the bug report feature quite a bit that I paid to use..You're welcome.
You didn't pay to use it, get off your freakin' high horse, you played for a pack with a lot of mostly useless items. I spent plenty of zen on the items I want (bags and extra character slots) and participated in all the CBWs. Filed plenty of bug reports because I was more concerned with testing the game than with how much money I spent;).
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HotNs bought a pack that included priority queuing. Guardians bought a pack that did not.
Again there was misconstruing information that stated otherwise.
You're still QQ'ing to try and get something you didn't pay for?
Either pay the $200 or stfu, honestly.
The average f2p player will probably spend well over $60 as they play the game, and you'll spend nothing and keep QQ'ing for years.
There weren't even any ques or long waits today anyway.
You're all butt hurt and mad because you waited in a que 1 time 1 day when the game launched.
Yet you refused to pay the money required to skip the que.
Your mom must be so proud....
Regardless if they did or did not have that option included, that is in fact what this poll is about none the less ^_^