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F2P model misunderstood. Someone explain how this is remotely fair.
verylittleanax
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Not really a discussion topic as much as a simple information and a "this can't be for real".
Everyone was fascinated with the F2P model in LoL. Everyone know a MMO is expensive to sustain. Perfect world wanted to make it work, but by doing so, they have taken some decisions that runs the game in my opinion.
By implementing the AD for ZEN mechanic, PW has effectively made a workaround for the claims that this game is pay to win. Everything in the ZEN store is free - if you grind AD. So even though you need stuff from the zen store, its free if you really want it (and have no life at all).
All end game gear is BoE. It is tradeable on the AH and will cost AD. This means that everyone can buy ZEN, trade for AD and get the best end game gear in the game without entering a dungeon or being in a party. The point of the game is ruined for me at this point.
Now, I want to bring one small example of how PW tries to squeeze every $ out of the player they possibly can:
Some times (about 4 times up until level 20) you find an epic dropbox. This is the first epic item you come across and you are happy! Now, to open the box, you need a key. The key can ONLY be obtained through the ZEN store. This is a low and distasteful way of trying to make players buy and spend even more ZEN. When I find my first epic item, I dont want it to be some scam item the company behind the game has designed to try and make me pay money.
Everyone was fascinated with the F2P model in LoL. Everyone know a MMO is expensive to sustain. Perfect world wanted to make it work, but by doing so, they have taken some decisions that runs the game in my opinion.
By implementing the AD for ZEN mechanic, PW has effectively made a workaround for the claims that this game is pay to win. Everything in the ZEN store is free - if you grind AD. So even though you need stuff from the zen store, its free if you really want it (and have no life at all).
All end game gear is BoE. It is tradeable on the AH and will cost AD. This means that everyone can buy ZEN, trade for AD and get the best end game gear in the game without entering a dungeon or being in a party. The point of the game is ruined for me at this point.
Now, I want to bring one small example of how PW tries to squeeze every $ out of the player they possibly can:
Some times (about 4 times up until level 20) you find an epic dropbox. This is the first epic item you come across and you are happy! Now, to open the box, you need a key. The key can ONLY be obtained through the ZEN store. This is a low and distasteful way of trying to make players buy and spend even more ZEN. When I find my first epic item, I dont want it to be some scam item the company behind the game has designed to try and make me pay money.
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a sub game is beneficial to people who have tons of free time in real life and can grind and grind and grind, leaving the pro real lifer at a disadvantage. Oh wait. no. this entices the pro real lifer to buy 3rd party items and in game money.
I see the problem. The QQ'ers are mad that the cash shop hurts their RL 3rd party income because those willing to pay RL money can now just give it to the gaming company instead. Gotcha. I understand now.
Lucience - level 16 - trickster rogue
Dragon server
Cool that makes it somewhat less insane. The basic principle of the item is still vomitingly disgusting.
Put them on the AH for a cheap price, or hold onto them when (and if it's anything like STO) the lockbox changes, and make bank on people who didn't get them before they were gone or want a chance on what's in them. It's not a big deal, really.
Hey I am all for anything that gets someone that worked up.
Lol
I was really surprised that the blue items I found in the first dungeons were not bind on pickup. But that is really a good thing in my opinion. That way I can trade in for whatever I actually might need.
A quick thought: Who grinds all the endgame gear that everyone will be buying for real money in the auction house?
And now my question: Why does it ruin the game for you? Why does it concern you how other people could get their gear? Isn't it their loss that they just skip the dungeons?
You know what? You don't need anything out of that lockboxes. Of course it's a clumsy way of trying to make more money. But you can ignore those boxes if you don't like them. You seem pretty focused on that epic items? Why is that?
Yeah, pretty diabolic
I truly hope for the sake of this game's endgame that the thing about all the stuff being BoE is not true.
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Zen can be traded for AD. If end game gear can be acquired this way doesn't it defeat the purpose of a dungeon?
So PW drops -100% optional- items, and you make a wall of text of the forums saying you don't want to pay to enjoy this 100% optional item. I think the problem is with you. PS. you can put the lockboxes on the AH, so your premise is false anyway.
If you don't see that everything on AH can effectively be bought with real life money then you either havn't played the game or simply don't posses the ability to add two concepts.
I do know that the end game gear will be BoE because the vendros selling the best gear in game for seals are already available in the protectors enclave maked area. Dragon seals currently buys the best gear in game and that gear is BoE.
As for the whole "why do you care someone buys gear for $". If you don't get why this makes it less fun for me then I can't explain it to you. It's how it is, and I know many, though not all, feel the same way about it as I do. I ruins the point of getting strong through effort, if many people reach the same point effortless.
Even though these people can buy en game gear, what is the meaning of it since they did not play and enjoy?
Yup... Even if they could afford to buy the most fearsome weapon and 1 hit kill the very final boss. Where is fun for them?
So, let them do that. I will play with my 5 man party which consists of my childhood friends to overcome this game while getting the most fun out of it.
Also I am in the foundry authors directory here : http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?117831-The-Foundry-List-of-UGC-and-Authors&p=1681281#post1681281 yup thats me @mandodo69.
So do not tell me I have not played the game!
Lucience - level 16 - trickster rogue
Dragon server
Dumbest thing I've ever read and I read Fundies Say the Darndest Things. The fact that you'd even consider saying "pro at life" for anything other than playing The Game of Life tournaments, makes you more unlikely to actually be a "pro at life" than anyone complaining about a game.
The Dire Crow - Tiefling TR
Alice L'ddell - Human GF
Ludovique - Tiefling DC
Well that's comforting, thanks for the reponse
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Because they are an underhanded, sleazy way to make more money. Most other games offer up a mount for straight up cash, and manage to make enough money to maintain their game, and make players happy.
That's exactly the problem, all it does is give you a mount, if you beat ridiculous odds. The fact that you can spend hundreds of dollars and never get that mount, is what makes them so bad. and by the time you get enough of whatever arbitrary, tertiary currency Cryptic has created to make up for the RNG, you may as well have just dropped cash on a mount.
But that's not good enough for PWE and Cryptic, they want even more money, so disappointing players with wasted lockbox openings is an easy way to put forth bare minimal effort, for the most amount of profit. Rather than filling the store with options, all they have to do, is make a few things and stick them behind a n RNG.
But you knew that already. You just don't care.
The Dire Crow - Tiefling TR
Alice L'ddell - Human GF
Ludovique - Tiefling DC
Lucience - level 16 - trickster rogue
Dragon server
Does it really matter how they get the money from some people? The more money they get the better. The more profitable the game is the more they will invest in it. The more they invest in their profitable game the more content and toys we get to play with. In the end the lockboxes are a good thing. The store is a good thing.
You're right, except about one thing. The more money they make from the cash shop, the more they will invest into, WHAT?!, the cash shop. Look at any other f2p game that has success with micro-transactions and tell me where most of the time goes into. Eq2, SWTOR, all prime examples.
I will explain it just for you then since it truely seems like you lack the mental ability to add two concepts
The best gears is obtained with seals, both dragon and unicorn seals reward you with BoE items. BoE items are tradeable on the AH. thus gear can be obtained with $. I know it's quite a bit of informations you need to process to realize I am right, and I think PW made the system this cryptic (heh) so people like you will never notice.
Anyway it seems like people are split, and I respect that. I'm simply putting my oppinion out there.
It is a shame if this MMO makes the same mistake D3 did with the $-AH system, though it seems they are making an effort to make it less obvious.
That's not entirely true. Lets look at STO. Sto is getting a massive free expansion soon that costs no Zen at all. Tor just got an expansion too and is getting an update at the end of april that adds not only a new race, but new features for free. Sure they put about half the money back into the shop, but the other half goes into content. That's how most games work. Half and Half. Except Champions. Champions never gets anything nice.