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Nothing Great about the Great Weapon Fighter...
embermouth
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 14 Arc User
I'm willing to see this through to the end to make it work and see if the class is really late bloomer like I have been hearing. The problem is I feel like I do no damage. I know I shouldnt be doing as much damage as a TR but I know I also shouldnt be doing damage comparable to a cleric lol. I should be doing about 60-75% of what a TR does.
Or on the other hand I should be able to take hits doing as little damage as they currently am. I honestly feel like a glass cannon (the classes I normally like to play like Mage) except without the cannon part. I feel like glass, I cant deal hits and I cant take hits for ****.
Im not even going to go into the threat issues this class have. Which are mostly due to the lack of damage. More damage should equal more threat. Not too mention we just dont have a lot of abilities that generate enough threat to keep adds off of clerics with reduced threat feats. I see guardians barely able to do it as is. Are we supposed to be a tank or DPS...I would like to get some developer clarification on what this class is supposed to be.
Or on the other hand I should be able to take hits doing as little damage as they currently am. I honestly feel like a glass cannon (the classes I normally like to play like Mage) except without the cannon part. I feel like glass, I cant deal hits and I cant take hits for ****.
Im not even going to go into the threat issues this class have. Which are mostly due to the lack of damage. More damage should equal more threat. Not too mention we just dont have a lot of abilities that generate enough threat to keep adds off of clerics with reduced threat feats. I see guardians barely able to do it as is. Are we supposed to be a tank or DPS...I would like to get some developer clarification on what this class is supposed to be.
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The only time I was not on the bottom of the heap is when there where other GWF in the group and at least I beat them in damage.
Sure you can say GWF is late bloomer and all this early level play is to be expected, but is that Really a justification for a class that is no fun to play at all until end game. And I bet when we get endgame there will be little to no content waiting for us.
Also, you do realize the name Great Weapon Fighter means nothing more than a Fighter using Great Weapons, where "great" literally describes the size of the weapon, and as such it has nothing to do with the class being "great"?
Ok it carries a great weapon that does less damage than a clerics weapon? Seriously were not even fighters its pathetic. This class has no clear cut definition and is pretty much broken. I mean are we a tank, are we dps are we just another melee class they threw in the game to give it a little more flavor but we cant really exceed at anyone thing and pretty much are pretty bad at most of it. I mean im not level 30 yet, 28, but as far as I can see there is alot of improvement that needs to be made if it isnt by the time im 50. Im still hoping feats and paragon paths are going to make this class beefier by 60. HOPING!
The only chart in pvp is a general overall effect you had in the full pvp instance on all catagories. it is not damage.
Also I did many pvp games today and the rogue is still 70%+ topping the charts and getting 10,15 ,20 kills to all others 3-7 kills.
the person that said GF were topping the charts is either extremely drugged out of his gorg or is lieing out of his...
That all being said the GWF needs a small increase in its dps. anyone who says it doesn't just wants to lie or is very ignorant.
no nO NO AND no!. good god man it has been proven too many times already. the devs say it is a damage dealing class. the official foroms and wiki all say it is a damage dealer class. it IS A STRIKER CLASS. AOE DAMAGE is a striker class . sorry 2+2 is not 5 and the gwf is not a defender.
Need a tissue? Seriously, I've seen similar whining addressing one warrior archetype or another, it happened in vanilla WoW (and then on every single subsequent expansion pack), most recently it happened in GW2 where warrior not only wasn't weak but was straight out of the box overpowered.
Given there are no major changes from BWE4, and given that in BWE4 the class absolutely destroyed the content (still), I am really eager to play on saturday. But then again, I don't expect to aoe-oneshot mobs while being indestructible.
In PvP, they have a tough row to hoe, and must play well with team tactics in order to stay competative.
That depends on the values of 2 :P And as for Damage dealing, it deals a decent amount of damage, you just have to position yourselves really well.
I haven't tried the GWF since CBW 4, and even then i didn't get him that high in levels, but as i see the class It's more of a complement to the other classes ATM. It's a good enough class I'd say, you just REALLY need to know what you're doing, again, this is my own speculations and, well, guesses.
Agreed, one just can't have to many threads
Here i agree as well, that's what "great" means. BUT that implies higher DPS
and how to u plan to be aoe dps whit all big nerfs they did on that part? u will hit 30 damage if a lot of mobs while tr ,dc, cw and even gf will out dps u in single target or aoe since they didint do huge nerf on any of their aoe powers,powrers or at wills,btw i think gf will get big nerf next so no point of lvl up him to
AOE damage is control not striker. Striker is single target dps only.
Oh my god, you are the worst. We know what the OP meant.
lol now everyone knows you're talking out of your ***.
A lot to say, nothing to contribute.
Roll a cleric and play to the newbie area till the harbinger and finished it.
NOW roll a GWF, pick a tiefling just to procc some more damage here and there. Run the same area.
Compare.
I did this 2x today because I was chosing my visuals (cosmetics). The damage output by the newbie cleric is greater than the GWF. You can kill a zombie with 2 lances. You need 3-4 dashes to kill the same critter with a GWF.
This is done by zero'ed characters, with basic stuff and no buffs or anything. I DID played as a GWF on BW4. As I said in another thread, it was fun and scary. Fun because the whole concept is amazing and nice for a player like me (I play with warrior-types only) but how they put it was totally wrong and broken. The animations are amazing, the dashing and all. I dont think they should be better than rouges, but the class is somehow broken, that is undeniable.
This.
The feeling of questing in the Orcish area i think it's called Blacklake or Blacksomething district, it feels like it takes forever to kill those orcs, like you're swinging wet noodles around and hitting them for 60-100 damage... Takes forever to kill something...
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Get to end game and then make a thread.
Quote from DnD 4e Players Handbook. I bolded the important parts where it says GWF is a Defender according to the OFFICIAL DnD rules.
How's that for proof? Sorry 2+2=4 and GWF is a Defender. You should do research next time and not just blindly follow the forum ragers.
P.S. I'm not saying GWF is balanced. They need some love. But they aren't supposed to be Strikers and shouldn't be doing anywhere near TR damage. They need to buff up their survivability and give them threat bonuses.etc so they can be the Defenders they're supposed to be. I wish people would stop whining about GWF damage like they're supposed to be Rogues.
So you use that as you verified information source? Then look on the right hand side.
Role: Damage Dealer
Secondary Defender
Sounds like a striker/off-tank to me. Alternatively, considering every other class is distinctly defined, it suggests that the GWF role is unclear. It says he's a "Defender", then states he's a Damage Dealer with Secondary role as Defender....
wow good find..