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Fighter Class Types in NWN
hamakto
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Please correct me if I missed something on the forums (I tried to catch things up). But as I understand it if you make a GWF, and you later want to go Sword and Board style (due to some loot or trades).
You are sorta out of luck for your character.
Or am I missing something in the game setup? This narrow pidgeon-holeing of characters and their feat trees could very well be a disaster.
Having everything defined for a fighter based on a weapon (equipment) choice that is locked in at 1st level is... well... difficult to equate to DnD.
Ham
You are sorta out of luck for your character.
Or am I missing something in the game setup? This narrow pidgeon-holeing of characters and their feat trees could very well be a disaster.
Having everything defined for a fighter based on a weapon (equipment) choice that is locked in at 1st level is... well... difficult to equate to DnD.
Ham
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It's definitely not an ideal way to do it. Really given the current mechanics, the two Fighters should be renamed (say, to "Slayer" and "Guardian"), and not called "Fighter" at all, but that's not really an option given the weight of PnP tradition.
Of course, I'd rather they dropped the current mechanics, and made GWF and Guardian just different default builds for Fighter, with others possible with customization. But that would probably require an overhaul that they're not willing to do.
Never played D&D 3.x or 4e? The Table Top game system pushes you (as a Fighter) to pick a weapon and stick with it for all 20-30 levels. This is pure 3-4e D&D.
I think it's more than black (tank) and white (gwf pure dps): there are many shades of grey (no, not 30). What we don't know is whether those shades will be viable.
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I played 3.5 for many years and still do and you most certainly can do both sword and board and use a great weapon. In fact you could also have a crossbow, javeling, bow etc as well. You can specialize in multiple weapons as well if you so desired.
As for 4e i really can't say since i played it once and hated every moment of it. Its quite frankly a different game from AD&D, 2, 3 and 3.5.
You can do all sorts of things. But you just end up being even more gimped on an already severely gimped class. The mechanics of the fighter in 3.5 strongly encourage specialization.
As 3.5 is different from ad&d and 2nd edition.
St. Augustinus
I'll second (third?) this notion. The weapon focus feats were just too indispensable for a fighter not to take without hamstringing them. And that means picking one kind of weapon and sticking with it so you get all those weapon focus bonuses.
I've made peace with being pigeon-holed. It's going to happen regardless of how many bad builds that the devs throw in there.
Well, in 4e Barbs use big 2h weapons, usually, but there's also a dual wielding build (WW). I hope they put it in the game, since it's a really fun class to play in pnp.
St. Augustinus
There is no medium armour in 4e. Barbarians (which used both two handed or dual weapons) wore light, typically Hide armour, which with their high dex (on average) benefited them more than heavier armour.
I remember the time before the nerf of Hide Armor Expertise, when RB barbs had the highest armor in the game.
Now you have to invest at least a little in Dex, as you said.
St. Augustinus
This isincorrect. Medium armor most certainly exists in the game.
This is interesting, since it's different from 4e
St. Augustinus
However that analysis is wrong as prerequisites are not based on that classification. In 4e classes wear armor based on type itself. So instead of saying(for e.g.) that cleric is proficient in heavy or light armor, we say cleric is proficient in armor upto chain.
And Cloth armor<Leather armor<Hide armor<Chainmail<Scale armor<Plate armor
Hence instead of three levels of classification, now you have richer 6 levels of classifications in armor.
So the shallow way to classify armor as light/medium/heavy is not used anymore. It is just used in language to denote armor as heavy/light - not used in mechanics. In mechanics we use 6 levels of classification individually instead of 3.
Brain <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> that is correct.
This only really affects me in that I enjoy playing a dex-based fighter type pretty often, and while the fundamentals of a dex fighter are similar to a rogue, the nuances are different, based on feats and innate class skills/abilities. Dex builds have generally been able to reach the highest AC in previous iterations of PC Neverwinter games, which is really what I'm curious about. Ranger/Shadowdancer, or fighter/rogue with 60-70 AC was fairly easy to get with modest gear, proper buffs, and expertise. And monks were far superior in AC (80-90 range), though much less effective in offence. Such builds tend to be quite unbalancing, as anyone who doesn't fit them is an easy victim to a monster with the AB to hit them, but they are among the most effective AC/AB focused builds.
Armor is completely tied to class in Neverwinter. So, yeah, typical MMO armor, not D&D armor. That discussion was about tabletop D&D. We don't know if there might be some way to use another class's armor through feats or something, but I doubt it.
I doubt there will be a DEX-based Fighter option in Neverwinter. You won't get one unless they specifically release a DEX-based Fighter class. I don't think you'll even have the option of making DEX your highest stat at character creation as a Fighter. Last I saw, you just get a choice of two arrays, and both place the highest in your class's primary stat (STR for the Fighter classes that will be in at launch).
Basically, unlike the Neverwinter Nights games, Neverwinter has almost nothing to do with D&D mechanics, of any edition. Its ties are lore and terminology, and little else.
However, that's just from what I can see at first glance, maybe things will be different.
Oh, I don't doubt that Dexterity plays a role for Fighters (secondary stats seems to be something they're keeping from 4E), just that there won't be Dex-based Fighters in the way they are possible in 3.X (and hence NWN and DDO).
Well, not even tempest fighter is dex based in 4e. It's still Str based with a strong dex secondary.
St. Augustinus
This is what I'm hoping for in a future release.
There is no announced dual wielding Fighter class for Neverwinter. So no, not yet. It'll probably be a while, if ever, since dual wielding Ranger will probably come first.
Although, in 4E, a Ranger can be built to be almost indistinguishable from a dual-wielding Fighter, thematically, so a separate dual-wielding Fighter class might be redundant in Neverwinter.
I am surprise this wasn't choose over the 2 handed fighter to give more options to players. Although if I am cynical 2H fighter is restricted purely to 2handed weapons and thus is less work in terms of animation and coding.