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So will the other DDO classes be added?
I always play rangers in every game and hope they are in this game.
Maybe a Artificer class? pet and crossbow would be awesome.
I always play rangers in every game and hope they are in this game.
Maybe a Artificer class? pet and crossbow would be awesome.
Oh Atari how I miss you!
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He no play PnP I take it.
Haha, neither have I, but I am at least somewhat familiar with D&D!
DDO is based off of D&D, a real life RPG!
So DDO is NOT the source material.
D&D is.
D&D has rangers. We hear that there will be rangers in NW.
So yes... yes, there will be rangers... just not now... and not ported from DDO....
I don't expect everything in NW to be the same as DDO but they should at least have the base classes in the game.
I always play archers its my play style I hate melee.
Different edition, my friend. Also a different 'module'.
3.5e (DDO) vs 4.0 (NWO)
Eberron (DDO) vs FR (NWO)
So you are comparing oranges to tangerines. Similar, yet a different experience.
In D&D fighters and thieves are often just as viable to be a ranged class.
That being said they have not confirmed the Ranger Class or the ability to use bows yet. But There's a good chance that will be added by launch if it is not ready yet.
I try to pretend that Artificers (and Warforged) don't exist. A bit too steam punky for my high fantasy tastes.
While it could be true for 'forged, Artificer is just a great class imho. And with a little fluff change it can be easily adapted to FR.
St. Augustinus
I'd honestly be surprised if we got Paladins at launch. That'd make the class choices extremely "heavy armor" heavy, which could create problems when running dungeons.
All the free bow feats makes me feel rp wise, that part of being a ranger mean you must know how to use a bow.
Free bow feats is actually unique to DDO. In 3.5, you have to choose between TWF and bow feats. In 4E, you choose between archer, TWF, and beastmaster features.
As for DDO...Eberron was horrid. I couldn't really get into that game. =/
I am, however, very interested in checking out Neverwinter. I don't like the 4E rule set, but I will readily admit that it converts over to a MMO/CRPG format much easier than the previous editions did.
I know this. I was speaking of specialization. At level 2 you choose, then at 6, and 11 you get additional free feats. Because of these extra feats and lore it just seems to me to easy to be able to do both. Yea you won't be insane at either. But it feels wrong to have a ranger without some bow skill.
That's actually not how it works in 3.5. You choose one specialty, and get the feats for that specialty as you level-up, automatically. Your free feats cannot be mixed between archery and TWF. 4E is similar in that you choose one specialty at level one, and then the benefits you gain (a bonus feat, and bonus effects from powers) from then on are set; you can't mix-and-match.
RP whatever you want, of course, but the mechanics do not encourage being an archer as a Ranger any more than they do being a TWF meleer. Obviously, anyone with proficiency with a bow should carry one, or at least some other ranged weapon, but that's true of Fighters, Rogues, and Paladins, not just Rangers.
Do you remember when we were arguing about which class should be more iconic and in, me supporting archer ranger you supporting melee, a dev chimed in to say that "ranger in the works" was not archer but melee?
That killed all my excitement for class.
You said what I just said... I'm not wrong you just didn't understand what I said.
See the lack of the word choose again. Just because you have free ranged or twf feats doesn't mean that ranger or twf are locked away from you. You can still splash in those feats. You just get one type for free now.
Then I don't understand what point you're trying to make.
You can take ranged combat feats on a Paladin. That doesn't mean that a Paladin is somehow inherently an archer (in any capacity beyond simply being proficient with bows).
If you take the TWF specialty on a Ranger, you get nothing from your class that makes you a better archer in comparison to other fighting styles. There's no more reason to take bow feats than there is with any other full-BAB class.
My point is, and always will be, that the ranger is not a *ranged* class. It can be but it's not forced and the TWF is equally viable.
Which is better is an argument which will never end because it's apples to oranges but as a die-hard melee ranger lover I refuse to let the ranged misconception slide
I'm mean like that sometimes. Hehe.
And I don't remember Crypticmaplois confirming the ranger class in that post? I'm going to have to rehunt that post down.
I'm just the opposite of you, I hate melee fighting I live to be at a distance when I fight. I love to slow the enemies movement and kite them in circles til they die. Many times in DDO I've soloed bosses and things with no ranged attack by doing this and won. I always loved distance fighting but hate casting bars which is why I love archers and not casters.
Nuff said.
Point? I have to have a POINT now?!
Please do - though I am not sure if it was crypticmapolis (maybe h2oratty or jfinderdev)
Or maybe you can PM and ask them to reconfirm it?
They specifically said that "ranger in the works" is not archer ranger but melee ranger.
That's perfectly fine. I prefer melee (as far as the Ranger Class goes) and I'm fine with that.
I'm not fine with saying because "ranger" became the MMO term for "archer" that the Ranger Class is an Archer.
It can be. Often is. Doesn't have to be.
Every time somebody says it a Drizzt Wannabe dies.
*claps and chants 'I do believe in Drizzt, I do believe in Drizzt'*
It is true Paladins get automatic profiency with Plate Armor. That said Fighters has many feats. A high level Guardian Fighter who is supposed to be a TANK in this game certainly has Plate Armor!
Now classes I wish to be released in no particular order: Ranger, Druid and Paladin. I also want to play Cleric but I got impression devoted Cleric at least will be available.
Problems with heavy armor??? This game is much more close to WOW trinity then Guild Wars 2(I don't like Guild Wars 2 with no tanks where everybody can ressurect each other and it is repeated resurect process) combat. That said this is Action combat so a TANK needs to dodge/move etc. and Wizards need to aim. In its own way I believe Neverwinter will have great combat.
No wonder the latest DDO expansion had a "portal" to Forgotten Realms :P
Devoted Cleric has been confirmed even though it hasn't seen much press/spotlight.
my question is why have a Thief and melee ranger basically the same thing.
if they have anything better than a thief they would just be a warrior in lesser armor.
Rangers are the only class that does physical ranged damage with skills.
Take that away and its just another melee class that's not needed the idea of multiple classes is to cover every play style to satisfy as many players as you can. It serves no purpose to make them all exactly the same.
The orgins of Ranger stem from the english term which essencially meant wilderness. Here's some information from Dictionary.com:
So out of that definition we got the term ranger which is essentially a protector of the forest/forest law enforcement. The term also is used to describe specialized light infantry troops in the military noted for being in remote locations.
That is the basis of the term Ranger. Ranger (archer) is a modern day term coined only by MMO's. The term "ranger" in the MMO sense, in case you haven't noticed, is not in the dictionary.
D&D has been around before computers were better than my watch. The term "ranger" in the MMO sense had absolutely no meaning the TSR...to anybody...until MMO's came around. The term Archer was even used when describing Baldur's Gate "rangers" in the late 90's on fansites.
She is looking at you right now, scroll up to the top. See that girl in lipstick? She is devoted cleric (and she holds a mirror - must be cleric of Sune)
both those Range definitions are NOUNS... try the verbs. as in actions... range in actions means distant.
you can take warrior and say its a being that wages war or a soldier that fights for an army meaning that you can't do anything individual. Thieves by definition are people that steal things most avoiding fights and conflicts... meaning they have no combat skills they just steal things.
If you want to break down each of the classes I'd be happy to go on... if you want to stick to realistic meanings I could have the whole class list in a dress cooking in a kitchen. when someone says we need a range class... they mean distance not a roaming warrior. archer specificly defines using a bow to fight alone, rangers can use many weapons but specialize in weapons that support the roaming warrior which resides in the mountains which would mean they need a weapon that can hurt from the top of the mountain things that are at the bottom of the mountain... doubt they make swords that long or mountains that short.