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sugram84
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 1 Arc User
my idea is to use auto grouping like in Guild Wars 2, its good system, think u do quest kill 10 goblins & some1 comes & makes kill steal, its annoying, u ton't want help cause in most quests it makes quest harder to u & when u want party u W8 30min or 1h or more to get full party, & it is like this in most MMO'S, but this is not issue in GW2 & that's why i suggest getting ideas from GW2 
, specially auto grouping , & if u have not play'd GW2 then ton't say auto grouping sucks, cause u ton't know how it works
, specially auto grouping , & if u have not play'd GW2 then ton't say auto grouping sucks, cause u ton't know how it works Post edited by sugram84 on
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i play'd STO trial in SEP & there was no auto grouping, i had to add people in my group, in GW2 u ton't need to & u ton't see urself in a group, if ur in a area u just get shared xp & other party rules to, to u it looks like ur not in a group
There used to be an autogroup setting for STO. It maybe defaulted to turn it off these days I don't know, but I remember having to turn it off all the time when I played.
When grouping, I like knowing we're all in it together, striving to complete something that is otherwise difficult at best, to accomplish. I think that is what I find missing in GW2's approach. Like many of you, I have had good experiences and bad experiences in PUG's and other groupings, but I do think I prefer a more formal approach to grouping.
Granted there is nothing that prevents players from forming their own groups, it just seems that with the automatic quality of it in GW2, that this happens less.
Again, this is just my opinion, your mileage may vary...
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Its in your Team Settings you can choose to be Open Teamed or not etc.. in which case if you enter a system for a mission etc.. other who enter are auto added to your team and enemy numbers/rewards ramp up accordingly.
You can also turn it off so noone can join your group unless invited.
but i hate W8 for 30min to find some1 in my party & W8 1h or more to get full party, thats why i always solo'd in MMO'S & if there was a game what had to meany dungeons what can't be solo'd i quite'd that game cause i hate W8 for hours for people, i want to play not W8, & also that's the reason i try all classes to lvl 20 or so to find strongest so i wont be dependent on other, if i'm not dependent on other i can solo, i have nothing against party so that's not the reason i solo but i hate W8 that long, if i W8 5-15min & get full party OK but not longer, & thats why i like GW2 grouping system
I really like Star Trek Online's "Open Group" setting, where as the party leader you can set your self/party to be open group and players entering that same quest will be able to randomly join your instance and be auto-grouped with you, even if in progress. This also allows you to join other's "Open Groups" when entering a given mission.
I do not like having to sit in a queue to wait for a group to form to complete content and missions. I would much rather have the option to go it alone as well as have the options to queue or form ones own parties. I feel all options should be available and we should not have one's playstyle dictated to them to conform to one path and not another.
Choice is the best course, in my opinion.
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St. Augustinus
I prefer the one from DDO.
I mean - u get to decide whatever "class" u are searching for.
You decide what u write in lfm - in some games u can write nothing and thats a fail.... surely there is a big difference between zerg/novice's/full optionals groups....
I hate being forced to group with people, I hate it when I enter a location/quest and then e.g. automatically there is a lfm posted OR anone can join me at any time.
It just ah... irritating : P.
Yeah, the "delve" system end of "chapter" or "zone" quests requires at least one other live person, but at least technically not a full group of five live people should they be so bold.
What intrigues me is the possibility of "henchmen" one could "hire" out coupled with the "companions" options we will somehow get (I admit the thought of me as a wizard and an ioun stone has me wondering.) I'm hoping it doesn't go as far as DDO's no live grouping outcome from their introduction, but not so watered down where it becomes RaiderZ "group or die."
You signed yourself up in the grouping que. Once it found one for your level range it would pop up a dungeon. If it was one you wanted it, you clicked on it, and you could choose which role you wanted to take in it - Melee DPS, Tank, Heal, Support, or Ranged DPS. If the spot you wanted was already filled you wouldn't be able to select it and you might have to pass it to look for the next dungeon.
In pnp, a good party has at least 1 of each, plus a striker as ideal party. That way parties are balanced by roles.
i guess u like to W8 people for 1h or hours, but i ton't, i wont W8 more then 10min
in most MMO'S i feel like grouping is a burden, & i have uninstalled them all, thats 1 reson i switch MMO'S so often like char lvl 20 max & quit, 1 or 2 chars lvl 20, & second reson, quests in all MMO'S are like copy's from other MMO'S only different NPC & mobs & quests repeat same quest different NPC, it is getting old, i hope this game is more different from others like GW2 is different from others, i get pored if i see 2much old familiar stuff, well thats not the case if that familiar stuf comes from NWN & NWN2 cause this are different from MMO'S, in GW2 i ton't feel like grouping is a burden
& what if the group u get in to wants to do different guest from yours? that's second reason why i like GW2 grouping, i just do quest i want & some1 shows up who dose the same quest & if that's done he goes to another quest & i go for different quest & this time some1 else shows up, no pressure & no burden, no W8, easy & simple
I think we're talking about two separate systems here. Open world grouping vs. Instance grouping. While I really like how GW2 does open world grouping, crediting all who participate, I do not like their system for Instance grouping. Rift does have a very nice queue/auto grouping feature. I know the GW2 fanboys say find a guild and do instances but even then how often do you find four people logged on willing to drop what they're doing to run the instance you want when you want? I often find I can get two or three in a guild to instance with and in Rift, we could easily queue up and quickly get that extra person or two we needed.
While it does take away from my joy of RPing for a group, I agree that auto grouping for instances is much less annoying. I ABSOLUTELY hated waiting for 4+ hours for a group (pre-auto grouping in WoW was TERRIBLE) so it was nice to have an auto feature. For the Open world grouping though, I like the idea of whoever is involved gets loot/xp, not just those who initiate the fight. I always hated coming to someone's aid and not getting anything. I never felt I was ENTITLED to something from them, I enjoy the last minute savior feeling, but it was always annoying when I'd do at least half of the work, have to pay to repair, and have nothing to show from the drop because I'm not in their group. This GW's idea sounds fantastic! :-D
i completely agree, specially with that part: whoever is involved gets loot/xp, not just those who initiate the fight. I always hated coming to someone's aid and not getting anything, cause its problem with 99% of the MMO'S, only game i know what dose not have that problem is GW2, all others have it
So someone runs up to the monster you are killing hits it one or two times and get full xp/loot from it ? Not sure how nit works in GW2
The be in the party of the one that hit it first system was made to avoid ksing.
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not sure about kill XP but i get a lot from Quest, no matter ur alone or not, kill XP is 2 low in GW2, its pointless just kill with out quests or event, & bi event i don't mean Halloween or Christmas, events are quest what just appear, like u go to little city what is kind of fortress & suddenly it gets under attack & u need to defend that fortress city & if event succeeded not filed u get XP, & after 30min this event will repeat but i will be gone from there bi then but i mite stumble on that same event again in future when i return there, its 50%chance, i say 30min but i ton't know the correct time, game is full of this kind events & all are not defense events there are meany different events like escort to, my point is kill XP is low U get more XP from events mini games & quests, mini games like jumping puzzle, no matter ur alone or with meany u still get same amount XP from event & quests, & if mob dies all can loot, example like when u see sword & a dagger in mob wit others other second guy sees longbow & great sword, my point is awry 1 sees & gets different stuff from 1mob what they killed together, it like u & the guy who helped u did not kill same mob, like u killed 1 mob 1 VS 1 & he killed other mob 1 VS 1, my eng is not 100%, not easy to explain some stuff, i hope u get my point
I like to choose with who I want to party.
In gw2 I felt so much less socializing... you :play: together but not in one party.
I didnt like it.
Yes... its great thing to avoid wating X time for party to be full etc but it just doesnt feel right for me.
but i hate the grouping system of other games, need to W8 for hours to get full party, & another reason whoever is involved gets loot/xp, not just those who initiate the fight. I always hated coming to someone's aid and not getting anything, cause its problem with 99% of the MMO'S, only game i know what dose not have that problem is GW2, all others have it, in other games i feel like grouping is a burden
i guess u enjoy W8 for hours to get full party, wasting time when u could play instead of W8 but u cant play cause u die if u solo
Not always, fortunately. It has to deal "substantial damage" to the mob.
The leeching system works well with dynamic events, though: for instance if you have an event where you have to kill 5 wave of mobs, even if you kill one mob you get "bronze" partecipation. Which is half of "gold", but it's substantial enough to make people wander around pointlessly through dynamic events without actually helping people doing them.
Even worse is the case of the escort quest: as long as you partecipate to a random encounter during the escort, you'll get gold partecipation, even if you don't follow the escort anymore.
Granted that GW2 has more serious problems (no endgame, basically), the grouping system is far from perfect.
St. Augustinus
grouping system in GW2 is ferry good!!!, i guess i need to spam once cause people ton't read all posts, the gruping system in other games is flawed & the reasons are written below
but i hate the grouping system of other games, need to W8 for hours to get full party, & another reason whoever is involved gets loot/xp, not just those who initiate the fight. I always hated coming to someone's aid and not getting anything, cause its problem with 99% of the MMO'S, only game i know what dose not have that problem is GW2, all others have it, in other games i feel like grouping is a burden
St. Augustinus
but this system in other games is a lot wore, cause, u all ready read it from above
i rather have it like in GW2 not like in other MMO'S, i like GW2 stile better
Probably, but that doesn't mean it's perfect. WoW grouping system, for instance, is very basical but since there are merged servers it gets the job done.
You also have to think that GW2 doesn't have class roles, which makes grouping even easier. I made Arah expl in a group with 5 elementalists...
St. Augustinus