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Hello,
PWE has stated that the Foundry will allow Zen transfers between users but not Real Money. This is absurd, what is Zen but a layer of abstraction above money itself.
Anyway, a simple workaround is to accumulate your Zen and then transfer it to a new F2P account and then sell that account that is full of Zen to someone else, this would require someone to be wanting much Zen though.
The easier solution is for PWE to simply allow RMT between users ingame. Do you think RMT are good or bad?
PWE has stated that the Foundry will allow Zen transfers between users but not Real Money. This is absurd, what is Zen but a layer of abstraction above money itself.
Anyway, a simple workaround is to accumulate your Zen and then transfer it to a new F2P account and then sell that account that is full of Zen to someone else, this would require someone to be wanting much Zen though.
The easier solution is for PWE to simply allow RMT between users ingame. Do you think RMT are good or bad?
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If answer is yes, your concern is then valid.
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1. No you can never redeem ZEN for actual cash (at this time.) Unlike things (such as Second life and Linden Dollars) that allow you to gather in game currency to cash in possibly for real money, that option is not done here or (to the best of my knowledge) by any PWE game.
2. Are you sure they said ZEN and Not Astral Diamonds can be transfered? Where does it state this please no matter what in-game currency it is?
In STO you give dilithium tips to authors
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Or maybe he was just thinking of how you can transfer zen from one account to another?
Not sure but I think the trade option will mean this is not so likely?
You cannot transfer Zen from account to account in STO.
The only way to transfer Dilithium between Accounts/Players is through the Dilithium Exchange and it is set up so that all Dilithium or Zen put into the Market sits in a Pool, so you cannot directly buy Dilithium or Zen from any specific player.
It goes like this:
1) Someone buys Zen for Real Money.
2) They transfer the Zen into their STO Subscription via the Web Site.
3) They Deposit the Zen into the Dilithium Exchange.
4) A player makes a bid on Zen for X-Ammount of Dilithium per Zen and their Dilithium is deposited into the Exchange.
5) When that bid is met by the system, the Dilithium is transfered to the Zen seller and the Zen is transferred to the Dilithium Buyer.
This also works the same in reverse when selling Dilithium for X-Amount of Zen. You never are informed who's zen/dilithium you bought or who sold you the zen/dilithium.
For example, say I put 500 Zen on the market for 150 Dilithium Each. That 500 Zen will get put into a pool of the same denomination and value that I am selling it for that others have also set theirs for sale for.
There is no way to turn Zen into Real Money. There is no way to turn Dilithium into Real Money.
Dilithium can be earned In-Game by collecting "Unrefined Dilithium" through Daily Missions. That Unrefined Dilithium then has to be converted into Refined Dilithium, eg "Dilithium" in order to put up for sale on the market. Players are limited to converting 8,000 Unrefined Dilithium per day into Refined Dilithium. (Veteran Player Rewards ups this limit to 10,000)
You can buy things in game (not the Cash Shop) with Refined Dilithium. You cannot do anything with Unrefined Dilithium except to refine it.
Tips would be the only way to directly dive Dilithium or to a player specifically. If I recall correctly, there is a limit to this as well and I remember hearing about the in game tips in Neverwinter also having some sort of limit. I do not know for sure how this latter will work in Neverwinter however or what exactly we will be tipping players with in Neverwinter.
If someone can find the video where tipping was mentioned, a link would be greatly appreciated as I cannot find it or remember which video it was in.
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Correct me if I am wrong here but I didn't think PWE actually sold its game item mall currency for in game currency and vice versa.
I'm pretty sure they allow PLAYERS to sell/buy the item mall currency for in game "gold" currency in a auction type mechanism, and doesn't this mean the rate of exchange varies depending on its availability?
Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that how it was in the few PW game I have played.
Neverwinter Thieves Guild
Elaborate on why it is so bad?
It's the ultimate pay 2 win, take a look at the recent diablo game.
Games are meant to be fun and a leisure not something you log into for 12hrs a day to try and earn a living. Should be pretty obvious.
If RMT was allowed in this game, it would pretty much guarantee I would never ever play it and assure my opinion about it and the company running it.
Neverwinter Thieves Guild
Games are everything to everyone, trying to force your conception of what a game is onto someone else is folly.
p.s. There is no win in an MMO, there is only progression.
I'm not trying to "force" anything. Discussiion like these are pointless.
I could equally say YOU are trying to "force your opinion" of what a game is on me by telling me my view is wrong.
Your very argument doesn't allow you to defend your point without breaking it and thereby we get into a im right your wrong type discussion.
My OPINION is that games are meant to be fun, not something you can earn a living in, unless your a dev or part of the company etc. You don't need to agree but I still will not touch anything that has RMT with a ten foot pole.
Trying to tell me HOW I SHOULD VIEW something OR trying to tell me what MY opinion should be is the true folly.
I will let you in on a secret EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE tries to "label" or "force" their opinion on others in all aspect of life. Look back at history and you will see we all do it in one fashion or another. Heh just look at your local "honorable politicians" . Heh better yet just look at your first sentence in your post.
Ultimately PWE will decide what Neverwinter Online "should be" and we can only try to "force" our view on them though the word i would use is "convince"
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Careful you two, this is getting close to flaming level.
There it is, thank you!
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The users are the devs, at least we will have access to a content generation toolset that is if not equal to what the original devs have it will be at least good enough.
The pros of RMT far outweigh the cons IMO. I play games for fun too, perhaps my idea of fun is being paid to generate content??
Anyway, if someone needs a billion astral diamonds and someone else has an account just sitting there with a billion astral diamonds...
I know players have long been opposed for RMT due to a "play for win" rationale, but the majority of companies do not really care about that. For them RMT has always been about the professional botters/scammers that mess up their game in other ways - the actions that generate the gold/items for RMT sale, not the sale itself. Siphoning some of that demand into legitimate cash shop trading is how more and more companies hope to reduce these antics.
Nail on the head for me.
And if the game offer a non RMT built in-game cash option like Astral diamonds instead I can use IG or exchange for Zen to buy other stuff from game store that's fine with me too. It's when we get that fine line crossed and it becomes a "profession" with RMT, then we get the farmers that never leave. And speaking as a crusader who helped bring down the plat farmers in DDO behind the scenes, I saw how bad it got.
EDIT:
To clarify by the exchange. The way it works in STO is players put their dilithium up for exchange for Zen (or vice versa) so the trading is all between people.
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All I have to say is...what is that Avatar from, it's awesome?!
I found it years ago when Microsoft tried to make comic book style heroes for all of its software. It's pretty much disappeared from the internet now, all I could find is a "newer" version - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/aa740358.aspx
I picked Visual Studios guy because I use it at work lol
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Standalone - The Great Escape - The Galaxy's Fair - Purity I: Of Denial - Return to Oblivion
Untitled Series - Duritanium Man - The Improbable Bulk - [WIP] Commander Rihan
So you you and I using Avatars of long-gone sites.
I see much more market in mmos from what can't be bought with real money from the company- gear, generally currency (though if astrals are sellable, why would people buy gold from sites when they can buy astrals then just sell them- like how GW2 does it), and of course hacked accounts.
It's not so much that this is non-issue, more that it is a small issue overshadowed by all the other things gold farmers/hacker sites bring to mmos- and I'd think if the company offers most of the things people want to buy themselves it should prevent a good chunk of the buying population and thus the sellers too.
Legalese warning.
The Terms of Service Section 5 states they own their "in-game currency" in the game:
As well as Section 17 states the ZEN has no cash value and cannot be redeemed for cash (in any exchange form it ends up, including transferred to third parties: )
In game currency is the property of PWE and its sale for money if ever done is at their sole discretion. While you are allowed to trade with no problem for Zen/game items/other future in game currency or other stuff by their permission, they will enforce third party people making profit off of their work (including in-game currency,) which leads to botters, spammers and farmers if left unchecked. This "cost" actually is a payment for a service which is accessing items.
Seems reasonable and common practice , and I'm not disputing that. I'm merely saying that by having a their own currency be purchasable like this- people will spend money with PWE because it's safe, over buying those same things from a 3rd party, which is why I think it should actually reduce botting/farming, etc... Though of course, no matter what, those types will always infiltrate and get their grubby paws everywhere.
I wasn't so much agreeing with any methods- just theorizing on the reasoning behind buying/not buying- which includes all the dangers like identity theft, bans, lawsuits, hacks, viruses, etc.... that come from dealing with farming websites. Naturally, farming sites which don't care about PWE's terms because they're here to make money, not to care about what's legal or not.
So, I did like your answer
I guess so! What's yours?
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If Zen is only obtainable by paying money, this is gifting someone some ingame currency, that's VERY different, it's not even the same as giving someone an ingame item. I like it, DDO kind of suffers from me not being able to securely buy Turbine points for friends.