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After watching the gameplay on the latest vid from mmorpg.com I wonder if I can use a 360/PS3 controller with this game..? When I first played DCUO I stopped after 10min and went out got a PS3 controller, downloaded a controller emulator to emulate it as 360 and was so much better off. Im not huge fan of having to constantly use the mouse in a vid game.
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/agreed. Unlike DDO, the fewer number of powers and (likely) switching powers between combats means mapping to a gamepad could work very well!
One thing about older MMOs and DnD in particular I think, and probably the mix up in the mind of some people, is for some reason people feel comfortable with a lot of, but unecesarry buttons or abilities to call from. This has always confused me in the MMO industry since you have bars and bars of abilities (myself having played UO for several years) that a goodly chunk are fundamentally useless in the actual activities of the character.
I think the tightening up of things is actually a good thing because when you boil down to it, players generally only focus on a few things at a time. Even in DnD and even talking from the perspective of an RPer, players would innately focus on a very small number even if they had sheets and sheets of spells or proficiencies to call upon.
Hey, as long as it all works well together I am happy. I would just hate to see the game pushed towards one control scheme or the other and have controls suffer. I prefer to play my PC games with a mouse and keyboard...but I can't speak for everyone, of course.
Because you have to design the UI with a specific type of input device in mind, and a M/K behaves very differently from a gamepad. So either you make two different UIs (one for each different input device) or you design a single UI with both in mind (usually meaning they design it for the controller and then put in a few K/M touches).
Though the viewpoint is valid, it is flawed as well. Again, if you are worried if one or the other overshadows, I might suggest downloading and trying out either Champions Online or Star Trek Online and seeing for yourself. Both games are free to play as well. And both games are using Cryptic's engine.
QFT. I have seen many a game both computer and MMO use mouse, keyboard, joystick AND gamepad. Offering multiple emulations increases user base signup not delays the game.
True, but I have also seen games that do all of the above (ironically DDO has a nice gamepad option.) SInce this game specifically is made to "fire while moving" I can't be certain if different emulations would work as easily.
Well I can say with pretty good certainty that it most likely should be fine. I pretty much play all my games but competitive FPSes with a gamepad on my computer (either through emulation or in-game support) and I actually have a friend who plays all games (FPSes included) on a gamepad (often using emulation) and he doesn't seem to have a hard time aiming or playing; so I'd say with enough tweaking you'll be able to get it working just fine.
I'd imagine I'd put my dodge/utility on (I use a PS3 controller) O, jump on X, 2 at-will's on square and triangle, daily on R2, and my two encounters on L1/R1. And that still leaves all of the D-pad, L2, start, select, and the analog stick buttons.
Ive been playing ddo for the last two months using my 360 controller, that has alot more keys to bind than this does.
7 slots will be easy to accomplish
There are more than 7 slots.
Yeah, but the swapped powers won't go beyond 7 slots from what I read.
That still doesn't negate there are more than 7 slots. There are what I believe was 7 power slots and then 5 item slots.
Short of potions (of healing) I don't see a button reason to need keyed item slots. It's more likely a cold-swap for items will do unlike the vast item combos we needed in DDO with all that alignment HAMSTER.
Hehe, you forget that many items in 4th have daily or encounter powers of their own, not to mention there are more than just potions as well.
Mostly daily, which will be pretty one-shot for the entire mission likely. I'd rather have a toolbar for those things.
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I have issues with mice...
My hopes for this are a bit up since I see in the demo videos only a few buttons to click at the bottom of the screen which could easily be mapped to the controller...
I'm also hoping for native controller support. If we just take into consideration that both CO and STO (Cryptic's other two MMOs) both have built-in controller support, then I think it will be safe to assume there will be some sort of controller support in NWO also. I sure hope so!
But hey, if not.. we can still find free versions of Xpadder and other 3rd party programs to give controller support. I use Xpadder to give controller support in RaiderZ, when I do play. Makes it much more enjoyable.
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i tried ddo quite a while back for a very short time and iirc back then you had to use 3rd party software to map your controler. or in the case of my logitec ps2 clone,the included software. i tried it again resently and was happy to see the option to map your controler right ingame.
they have a function included which i cant remember the name of right off so for lack of a better word ill call it a "mode" button. the whole point of it is to double the buttons on your controler. so unless they go way over on hot bars,which it doesnt look like they are,then we'll be fine.
as an example,my set up for ddo was-left stick=movement which would be w.a.s.d.
right stick=move camera which would be mouse movement.
x,square,circle,triangle,and start are hot bar slots 1-5,mode button and those same keys are hotbar slots 6-10.
up/down on cross pad cycles hotbars,right/left on cross pad cycles weapon sets.
right and left shoulder buttons are for attack,jump,block,mode button and select is my use/interact button.
sorry to be so long winded,just saying if they do it right then the number of hot bars/hot bar slots wont be an issue
Consideing the dynamic aiming needed for this game, it's one of the few times I'm considering actually buying a game controller for my PC based on the game's suggested mechanics.
Well, I do hate WASD movement anyway and who uses joysticks anymore?