a) This doesn't solve accessibility issues at all. Like you said, this isn't Guitar Hero. The feature simply isn't working. b) You can still macro it.
a) It does address accessibility issues. The player is no longer *required* to input notes at all in order to successfully use the song in all cases. The input of notes is only required to get extra benefits from the song, benefits that aren't required in order to successfully do all content in the game.
Yes, there is still an accessibility differential, because the experience and advantage level is not the same across the ability spectrum. However, that's baked in to the whole concept of action-based combat, which this game is based around. It's simply not possible to make every experience equivalent and equally advantaged in this case. However, the next best thing, the important thing, is inclusion - that each player is able to engage with and succeed in all of the game's content. That is the goal here.
b) Yes, you can still macro it. But by removing the need for multi-note keybinds, they can be disabled. Players then could only macro the songs by breaking ToS and using third-party software.
Minstrel Performance is instantly regenerating after playing a song in combat (at least with Gambler Feat).
Edit: this isn't intended to come off as condescending--I love the changes, but want to report a feature not working as intended.
Edit 2: Performance is NOT instantly regenerating after playing a song in the training room or solo play open world. I experienced this bug during today's Reaper's Challenge (no consumables, constant DoT, no health regen) in The Merchant Prince's Folly Skirmish.
a) It does address accessibility issues. The player is no longer *required* to input notes at all in order to successfully use the song in all cases. The input of notes is only required to get extra benefits from the song, benefits that aren't required in order to successfully do all content in the game.
Yes, there is still an accessibility differential, because the experience and advantage level is not the same across the ability spectrum. However, that's baked in to the whole concept of action-based combat, which this game is based around. It's simply not possible to make every experience equivalent and equally advantaged in this case. However, the next best thing, the important thing, is inclusion - that each player is able to engage with and succeed in all of the game's content. That is the goal here.
b) Yes, you can still macro it. But by removing the need for multi-note keybinds, they can be disabled. Players then could only macro the songs by breaking ToS and using third-party software.
Think we simply disagree here. You say the advantage is not needed, I'm thinking why exclude players over it then? Even worse, you're pushing people into third party tools, which is completely uncalled for. Not that Cryptic actually sanctions this, but that's a different story.
Also try chaining enough commands and notice the delay. I think it's possible.
Ok, I've checked in a fix for the annoying "You must wait longer after playing a song" and "You can't do that right now" issues.
Turns out there were actually *two* problems: * Underestimation on how quickly people can actually play songs. * A weird thing where no matter what you did, you'd be disabled from playing for "0 seconds". That sounds like you wouldn't be disabled, but for odd technical reasons it meant you actually could be disabled.
I believe I've fixed both issues. But I'm aware that many of you are much faster bard strummers than I am. I'll let you know when the fix lands. When it does, if this is an issue you care about, you could help me by trying stuff to see if you can get the message! * Nobody who is actually playing the songs (not macro'ing) should see the message. At least that's the goal. * It's possible for this behavior to vary per song, so try some different songs and be sure to tell me which songs you could get the message on and which you couldn't. * A few people were saying they'd see the message when quickplaying or doing other "instant" songplays. If that happens, please give me more details -- what song, what method of playing it, anything else you need to do to get it to happen.
Trully inspired general skill tooltip says: Minstrel Inspiration - 10% healing bonus in "Combat" It only gives a 5% bonus instead of 10%. It also gives a 5% bonus while out of combat. There is no requirement that the song be in quickplay for this bonus. Although tooltip claims otherwise, those in quickplay do also activate.
Same applies for "Critical Tuning". It gives 10% critical severity regardless of whether the song is in quickplay or not.
I did not test for the 10% damage bonus for songblade.
I can't activate Storyteller feat on myself. I don't know if it was deliberately designed that way. If intentional, it will only affect healers in groups of 10. Because there is only one healer in a party of 5 people.
Under Mechanic; Forte: Your paragon path provides an increase to performance regen and excels at crit. severity and Deflect Severity. However there is no input such as "Performance Regen" under Character Main stats. Whether forte provides Performance Regeneration or not needs to be clarified.
As for "You Can't do that right now".
I understand that you want to punish those who use macros. And overall I welcome your efforts. Honestly, this is the first time I've seen a Dev communicate like this, and I had tears in my eyes.
You'd be surprised how fast I played in the awesome "Free Play". It's a bit of a musician thing. After your changes, I no longer use Aurora Fantasia. I was forced to return to the "Sheltering Etude". When I put the Sheltering Etude in the quickplay slot and activate it with q, I always get the error "You cant do that right now". This situation can be unbearable, for example, in phase 3 of Vos' final boss. If I don't put it in quickplay and play it "slow" I don't get "You cant do that right now". But playing a simple sequence like 4-1-6-2-7 for longer than half a second causes muscle memory to go wrong. You shouldn't do this to musicians.
As another example, when I put "Defender's Minuet" in the "E" quickslot, I don't get "you cant do that right now". It works pretty fluently and fast. At first I thought it was the difference in animation between the two skills. But then I examined the "Defender's Minuet" and I found that the skill indeed had a long animation just like Sheltering Etude however the animation can be easily canceled when I played it with "quickplay E" and activated TAB again. So this problem is not experienced with every skill attached to quickplay slot. If manually we also need to play really slow , I think execution should take at least 1-1.5 maybe 2 seconds. Which is actually something you can get used to. And then i know there are keyboards which support "pauses" between inputs. So they can delay macro usage anyway. But an important skill like the Sheltering Etude should be played over and over with quickplay since there is no skill more deserving of quickplay Q in this state of Bard.
One more thing... If I accidentally press ESC after switching to performance mode with Tab, I am getting "Open the Options Menu and choose a keybind for "Primary Artifact Active Power" or you cant use an artifact!" pop-up. And this PopUp appears exactly above the pinned skills on my stave!
Ok, I've checked in a fix for the annoying "You must wait longer after playing a song" and "You can't do that right now" issues.
Turns out there were actually *two* problems: * Underestimation on how quickly people can actually play songs. * A weird thing where no matter what you did, you'd be disabled from playing for "0 seconds". That sounds like you wouldn't be disabled, but for odd technical reasons it meant you actually could be disabled.
I believe I've fixed both issues. But I'm aware that many of you are much faster bard strummers than I am. I'll let you know when the fix lands. When it does, if this is an issue you care about, you could help me by trying stuff to see if you can get the message! * Nobody who is actually playing the songs (not macro'ing) should see the message. At least that's the goal. * It's possible for this behavior to vary per song, so try some different songs and be sure to tell me which songs you could get the message on and which you couldn't. * A few people were saying they'd see the message when quickplaying or doing other "instant" songplays. If that happens, please give me more details -- what song, what method of playing it, anything else you need to do to get it to happen.
I just wanted to say thanks.
So far, playing Minstrel is already way better than it was. Thanks for listening to the bug reports, suggestions and keeping people up to date. Looking forward to the next patch.
Maybe I missed it but is there a way we can heal outside of our group. Think someone mentioned that when doing heroic encounters we are unable to heal anyone
This is looking like a very popular request.
I'll see what we can do here. I hope to have some news early next week.
Ok, I took a look at this, and I actually think the original plan (as revealed in the existing power tooltips) was pretty sensible. It's just that it wasn't implemented. Here's what I plan to change: * Powers that affect multiple friendlies and currently refer to "nearby allies" will be switched to work on non-party members. Note this includes most heals. This would be a buff to roughly 8-10 powers. * Powers that affect multiple friendlies but specifically refer to "party members" will be left as-is (party members only). Most of these seem to be party members for a good reason: for example, Voice Throw lets you shed aggro onto a nearby tank, which really you should be doing on your own tank, not some other group's (that would just be rude). Or Defender's Minuet, which heals a single nearby party member. If you can only affect one player, better it be a party member, because those are the people whose health you are monitoring and you are responsible for.
There might be an exception or two to the above, if I find something that seems like it needs special treatment, but the above is my basic plan.
Ok, I've checked in the above. As it turned out, everything that fell under the above guidelines was either a song, or a thing that directly affected a song.
Here are the patch notes that I wrote for it (note that doesn't mean it's live yet!): ================== Various bard songs that say they affect "nearby allies" (e.g., Blaze Flamenco, Rejuvenating Carol) will now also affect friendly players who are not on your team. Songs that say they specifically affect teammates (e.g., Defender's Minuet) are not affected.
Full list of affected powers:
Songs Aurora Fantasia Blaze Flamenco Rejuvenating/Reinvigorating Carol Reprised Carols Sheltering Etude Steel March Tailwind Mambo Warding Carol
Think we simply disagree here. You say the advantage is not needed, I'm thinking why exclude players over it then? Even worse, you're pushing people into third party tools, which is completely uncalled for. Not that Cryptic actually sanctions this, but that's a different story.
Also try chaining enough commands and notice the delay. I think it's possible.
Ok, it's clear my meaning isn't making it through intact.
My points: * If the class is properly balanced, in my opinion, manual play *should not* be required to play the class effectively and sufficiently for all content. * If manual play is kept in the game, then there should be a gameplay incentive for it, because otherwise why do it at all? * I am not pushing people to adopt third party tools to automate their gameplay. That is the last thing I want. Not to mention it's against ToS (which I did mention, by the way), which I obviously don't recommend. If you read with appropriate care, my grammar and word choice indicates that I was describing a situation hypothetically, and not imperatively.
I'm happy to just agree to disagree, but I don't need to tolerate defamatory presumptions either.
And honestly, no one wants this public side drama from us. This is my last post on the matter.
Trully inspired general skill tooltip says: Minstrel Inspiration - 10% healing bonus in "Combat" It only gives a 5% bonus instead of 10%. It also gives a 5% bonus while out of combat. There is no requirement that the song be in quickplay for this bonus. Although tooltip claims otherwise, those in quickplay do also activate.
Are you sure you're checking everything properly? You may have unknowingly slotted the Class Feature Sforzando that is providing you +5% Outgoing Healing (on stat sheet). Even though the tooltip mentions playing a song in combat, it provides the increase outside of combat.
Retry without Sforzando selected and see what happens.
Trully inspired general skill tooltip says: Minstrel Inspiration - 10% healing bonus in "Combat" It only gives a 5% bonus instead of 10%. It also gives a 5% bonus while out of combat. There is no requirement that the song be in quickplay for this bonus. Although tooltip claims otherwise, those in quickplay do also activate.
Are you sure you're checking everything properly? You may have unknowingly slotted the Class Feature Sforzando that is providing you +5% Outgoing Healing (on stat sheet). Even though the tooltip mentions playing a song in combat, it provides the increase outside of combat.
Retry without Sforzando selected and see what happens.
Yes, I could see the "Minstrel Inspiration" Icon in the buff menu. But I don't know if this +5% comes from Sforzando and this could be. If so, "Minstrel Inspiration" is not additive instead a multiplier like the Lionheart Set buff. Or it doesn't work even though it's an additive. I can't test right now.
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darthpotaterMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,259Arc User
> @fabricjumper said: > Yes, I could see the "Minstrel Inspiration" Icon in the buff menu. But I don't know if this +5% comes from Sforzando and this could be. If so, "Minstrel Inspiration" is not additive instead a multiplier like the Lionheart Set buff. Or it doesn't work even though it's an additive. I can't test right now.
With in/out of combat aside, the tests I performed on Critical Tuning, Truly Inspired, and Sforzando appear to be providing their benefits. They all work on the source song, too (i.e. the first song you play that triggers them).
Critical tuning is Critical Severity. Truly Inspired is a multiplier. Sforzando is Outgoing Healing.
Update: I'm told the last two fixes I mentioned (less "You must wait longer" red float text, and healing for non-party members) should be landing on Preview today.
Please have a look at how bard stats are being rebuilt when changing loadouts. Right now, in live, it's pretty bad.
In PE, a cleric or wizard will rebuild the correct stats in maximum 5s. On the bard it takes up to 20-25s and often the stats are wrong (somehow they're lower than they should be). For instance if you defeat the character, as soon as you resurrect you'll have all stats rebuild in a few moments and noticeably higher.
Viperion - DragonTribe guild. Playing Ranger/Paladin/Bard/Fighter.
Update: I'm told the last two fixes I mentioned (less "You must wait longer" red float text, and healing for non-party members) should be landing on Preview today.
This is great, Minstrels feel real good now.
Hey, there is another skill that doesn't seem to be working as described. Rjc9000 mentioned, Starstruck, our final Class Feature, only activates on the initial cast. And in the bit of parsing on my own that I have done means in an entire dungeon run it only activates 15'ish times.
From the wording and just as a useful functioning ability should proc on the ticks/heals of Rejuvenating Carol.
I mostly ask because it is the final Class Skill, so it kind of comes with the expectation that it will be at least usable if not one of the better options. And it sounds like a kind of fun feature since it bounces off the other party members own skills.
It would be great if before we move on from Minstrel, we could get this issue looked at.
Update: I'm told the last two fixes I mentioned (less "You must wait longer" red float text, and healing for non-party members) should be landing on Preview today.
This is great, Minstrels feel real good now.
Hey, there is another skill that doesn't seem to be working as described. Rjc9000 mentioned, Starstruck, our final Class Feature, only activates on the initial cast. And in the bit of parsing on my own that I have done means in an entire dungeon run it only activates 15'ish times.
From the wording and just as a useful functioning ability should proc on the ticks/heals of Rejuvenating Carol.
I mostly ask because it is the final Class Skill, so it kind of comes with the expectation that it will be at least usable if not one of the better options. And it sounds like a kind of fun feature since it bounces off the other party members own skills.
It would be great if before we move on from Minstrel, we could get this issue looked at.
Couple notes I have regarding Starstruck:
1) It appears Starstruck cannot crit. I have more logs showing no crits as I understand this is a small sample size.
2) The heal is relatively very weak. See log above. If the proc chance is increased and Starstruck is capable of a critical strike, the low base heal magnitude may be adequate.
3) It appears Starstruck may only proc once per cast of Rejuvenating Carol (not per tick) or the proc chance is very low: Starstruck proc at two different times on two different players from the same Rejuvenating Carol (nothing fancy here):
Starstruck proc as same time on two different players from the same Rejuvenating Carol (still, nothing fancy):
List of Rejuvenating Carol procs. You can see the Starstruck proc at 11:49:44 happened between ticks of a single Rejuvenating Carol. While I don't have video to support this statement 100%, I strongly doubt I cast a new Rejuvenating Carol right before the Starstruck procs. Again, it appears Starstruck may proc on more than just the initial tick of Rejuvenating Carol; however, it appears Starstruck either may only proc once per each Rejuvenating Carol cast and/or has a very low proc chance.
Update: I'm told the last two fixes I mentioned (less "You must wait longer" red float text, and healing for non-party members) should be landing on Preview today.
Much better now, I love you. Remember to make ''Vamp'' trigger from song you play on quickslot.
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micky1p00Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,594Arc User
I'm not playing bard, but have to say: This is the most professional, productive, informative and communicative thread in many many many years.
On Preview, the delay after playing songs is significantly less noticeable. Many thanks to rgutscheradev.
If you act quickly, you're still able to get the, "You can't do that right now" message to pop up.
For example, if you play Rejuvenating Carol and then immediately attempt to Bassline, you will receive the following message:
If you are attempting to chain play songs, there is still a slight delay you have to be patient with, otherwise you will start playing your song and miss the first note; however, I'm not sure how much of this is related to lag and/or unavoidable:
Edit: 1) Storyteller's bonus is working, apologies for the confusion. 2) Storyteller's bonus stacks are not showing in the buff bar of the Minstrel with Storyteller's Feat, but it is showing in the buff bar of party members. I suppose this is working as intended as you do not benefit from Storyteller self-buffs; however, on Live server, you can see Storyteller stacks on your buff bar for reference purposes and to monitor up-time more easily.
Here are the patch notes that I wrote for it (note that doesn't mean it's live yet!): ================== Various bard songs that say they affect "nearby allies" (e.g., Blaze Flamenco, Rejuvenating Carol) will now also affect friendly players who are not on your team. Songs that say they specifically affect teammates (e.g., Defender's Minuet) are not affected.
Full list of affected powers:
Songs Aurora Fantasia Blaze Flamenco Rejuvenating/Reinvigorating Carol Reprised Carols Sheltering Etude Steel March Tailwind Mambo Warding Carol
Class Feature: Vamos Alla! Daily: Curtain Call
All confirmed to be working as intended on Preview. Excellent work!
If you are attempting to chain play songs, there is still a slight delay you have to be patient with, otherwise you will start playing your song and miss the first note; however, I'm not sure how much of this is related to lag and/or unavoidable:
Whenever you enter Performance mode, there's a round trip to the server that happens (necessary, because the server needs to check you have enough Performance to enter). With lag, that can be annoying, but it's not something I can control, unfortunately.
I do have a request out to UI to tweak things so that it's clearer when you're in that state (imagine something like a harp image that appears briefly the moment you hit TAB, to be replaced by the music staff when the server returns its "OK" -- note that's just an example, I don't know exactly what approach UI will choose). That won't speed things up, but hopefully it will it clearer what's going on. Be aware that UI time is in very heavy demand, so this upgrade may come later.
General Digression About Querying the Server Skip this if you don't care about MMO underpinnings. But this topic is something that took me a while to understand, and then once I understood it I felt like a lot of weird MMO behavior made more sense to me (or really, this applies to any client-server game, but you see it more in MMOs because MMOs just have more people hitting the server at once, and thus more potential for lag. But you can see these same things happen sometimes in Diablo 3 or League of Legends, say).
If something in the game happens totally on your client, it can be very fast. But it can't be secure. If something requires server confirmation, it can be secure, but it won't always be fast. To figure out what's going on in a given situation, ask yourself the question "could I gain some sort of unfair advantage if I could lie about this thing?" and if the answer is yes, it's probably being checked w/ the server. If the answer is no, it might just be happening on your client.
So, for example, suppose you swing your sword at an orc and hit it. You watching the animation of yourself hitting the orc -- there's no advantage for you there, you already knew you were swinging your sword. But the orc taking damage -- if you could lie about that ("I hit that orc for 1,000,000 damage, trust me!") it would be bad. So the actual damage has to be checked by the server.
And what happens if there is a lot of lag? Well, then you will still see your sword swing and apparently hit the orc (because that's all happening on your client). But there will be a 2 second delay and only after that will you see the damage float saying how much damage the orc actually took (because the actual damage amount was sent to you by the server). Enemy death is also checked by the server, so another thing you'd see is your swinging at the orc several times, but then the orc actually dies a second or two after that.
Once you get used to thinking this way, you can spot it everywhere. I opened a chest, no delay... sure, that's just an animation playing right away. I tried to grab the loot and it took time... makes sense, the server needs to check that I am really entitled to that loot, and adjust my inventory accordingly.
In general, the game's developers are trying to put whatever they can onto the client so that the game feels fluid and responsive. And they are putting whatever they must on the server so that the game can't be ruined by unscrupulous people. Getting this balance right is an endless struggle (although the bulk of the decisions are made when the game's architecture is first set up).
There's a lot more to it, and some things like position in the game world are a kind of combination (your client has an idea where you are, which is why you immediately start moving forward when you press W, but the server has an idea too, which is why sometimes you "snap" to a new position -- that's the server saying to the client, "sorry, you had the wrong idea of your position, and you must now adjust to my idea of your position, because I am the server and I win all arguments"). But those are the basics.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
edited April 2022
@rgutscheradev if you play a song very fast you get 4% ap if you play it slightly slower 6% ap if you play it very slow 10% ap. i think that is not working as intended.
Edit: 1) Storyteller's bonus is working, apologies for the confusion. 2) Storyteller's bonus stacks are not showing in the buff bar of the Minstrel with Storyteller's Feat, but it is showing in the buff bar of party members. I suppose this is working as intended as you do not benefit from Storyteller self-buffs; however, on Live server, you can see Storyteller stacks on your buff bar for reference purposes and to monitor up-time more easily.
Storyteller doesn't work on the bard by default my love. Only on your allies. It's working just fine
Edit: 1) Storyteller's bonus is working, apologies for the confusion. 2) Storyteller's bonus stacks are not showing in the buff bar of the Minstrel with Storyteller's Feat, but it is showing in the buff bar of party members. I suppose this is working as intended as you do not benefit from Storyteller self-buffs; however, on Live server, you can see Storyteller stacks on your buff bar for reference purposes and to monitor up-time more easily.
Storyteller doesn't work on the bard by default my love. Only on your allies. It's working just fine
Yes, this is my fault. I was confusing Storyteller and Gambler. I know you cannot self-buff with Storyteller as it has always been that way; however, I thought you could still see the outgoing stacks on your buff bar. I was wrong.
Maybe I missed it but is there a way we can heal outside of our group. Think someone mentioned that when doing heroic encounters we are unable to heal anyone
This is looking like a very popular request.
I'll see what we can do here. I hope to have some news early next week.
Ok, I took a look at this, and I actually think the original plan (as revealed in the existing power tooltips) was pretty sensible. It's just that it wasn't implemented. Here's what I plan to change: * Powers that affect multiple friendlies and currently refer to "nearby allies" will be switched to work on non-party members. Note this includes most heals. This would be a buff to roughly 8-10 powers. * Powers that affect multiple friendlies but specifically refer to "party members" will be left as-is (party members only). Most of these seem to be party members for a good reason: for example, Voice Throw lets you shed aggro onto a nearby tank, which really you should be doing on your own tank, not some other group's (that would just be rude). Or Defender's Minuet, which heals a single nearby party member. If you can only affect one player, better it be a party member, because those are the people whose health you are monitoring and you are responsible for.
There might be an exception or two to the above, if I find something that seems like it needs special treatment, but the above is my basic plan.
Please allow Defender's Minuet to heal players outside of the party, as well. Here's the main reason: In group content like the Tower of the Mad Mage and Crown of Keldegonn, the 10 player composition is always like this: - 5 DPS players in one party - the rest in another party (2 healers & 1or2tanks & 1or2DPS). This means that the bard will not be able to help DPS players outside his group who are in dire need of healing. It's just a major disadvantage vs the Cleric's Intercession healing which works this way.
Your rationale about healing responsibility sounds good in theory and probably works fine in other games, but honestly in ToMM & CoK, a healer is responsible of everyone. You can't afford to focus on less players than the ones moving around you. Often times, one healer takes care of the active busy tank while the other healer acts upon the DPS players HPs. But generally, throughout the whole fight, the two healers work concurrently to keep everyone alive, regardless if their ally is a party member or not.
All in all, I truly believe you'd help the class and the bard community A LOT by eliminating such limitations of Defender's Minuet. In my opinion it really won't make the Bard overpowered at all, just more in line with the other healers' capabilities.
Viperion - DragonTribe guild. Playing Ranger/Paladin/Bard/Fighter.
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Yes, there is still an accessibility differential, because the experience and advantage level is not the same across the ability spectrum. However, that's baked in to the whole concept of action-based combat, which this game is based around. It's simply not possible to make every experience equivalent and equally advantaged in this case. However, the next best thing, the important thing, is inclusion - that each player is able to engage with and succeed in all of the game's content. That is the goal here.
b) Yes, you can still macro it. But by removing the need for multi-note keybinds, they can be disabled. Players then could only macro the songs by breaking ToS and using third-party software.
Excellent changes.
Minstrel Performance is instantly regenerating after playing a song in combat (at least with Gambler Feat).
Edit: this isn't intended to come off as condescending--I love the changes, but want to report a feature not working as intended.
Edit 2: Performance is NOT instantly regenerating after playing a song in the training room or solo play open world. I experienced this bug during today's Reaper's Challenge (no consumables, constant DoT, no health regen) in The Merchant Prince's Folly Skirmish.
Also try chaining enough commands and notice the delay. I think it's possible.
Turns out there were actually *two* problems:
* Underestimation on how quickly people can actually play songs.
* A weird thing where no matter what you did, you'd be disabled from playing for "0 seconds". That sounds like you wouldn't be disabled, but for odd technical reasons it meant you actually could be disabled.
I believe I've fixed both issues. But I'm aware that many of you are much faster bard strummers than I am. I'll let you know when the fix lands. When it does, if this is an issue you care about, you could help me by trying stuff to see if you can get the message!
* Nobody who is actually playing the songs (not macro'ing) should see the message. At least that's the goal.
* It's possible for this behavior to vary per song, so try some different songs and be sure to tell me which songs you could get the message on and which you couldn't.
* A few people were saying they'd see the message when quickplaying or doing other "instant" songplays. If that happens, please give me more details -- what song, what method of playing it, anything else you need to do to get it to happen.
It only gives a 5% bonus instead of 10%. It also gives a 5% bonus while out of combat. There is no requirement that the song be in quickplay for this bonus. Although tooltip claims otherwise, those in quickplay do also activate.
Same applies for "Critical Tuning". It gives 10% critical severity regardless of whether the song is in quickplay or not.
I did not test for the 10% damage bonus for songblade.
I can't activate Storyteller feat on myself. I don't know if it was deliberately designed that way. If intentional, it will only affect healers in groups of 10. Because there is only one healer in a party of 5 people.
Under Mechanic; Forte: Your paragon path provides an increase to performance regen and excels at crit. severity and Deflect Severity. However there is no input such as "Performance Regen" under Character Main stats. Whether forte provides Performance Regeneration or not needs to be clarified.
As for "You Can't do that right now".
I understand that you want to punish those who use macros. And overall I welcome your efforts. Honestly, this is the first time I've seen a Dev communicate like this, and I had tears in my eyes.
You'd be surprised how fast I played in the awesome "Free Play". It's a bit of a musician thing. After your changes, I no longer use Aurora Fantasia. I was forced to return to the "Sheltering Etude".
When I put the Sheltering Etude in the quickplay slot and activate it with q, I always get the error "You cant do that right now". This situation can be unbearable, for example, in phase 3 of Vos' final boss.
If I don't put it in quickplay and play it "slow" I don't get "You cant do that right now". But playing a simple sequence like 4-1-6-2-7 for longer than half a second causes muscle memory to go wrong. You shouldn't do this to musicians.
As another example, when I put "Defender's Minuet" in the "E" quickslot, I don't get "you cant do that right now". It works pretty fluently and fast. At first I thought it was the difference in animation between the two skills. But then I examined the "Defender's Minuet" and I found that the skill indeed had a long animation just like Sheltering Etude however the animation can be easily canceled when I played it with "quickplay E" and activated TAB again.
So this problem is not experienced with every skill attached to quickplay slot. If manually we also need to play really slow , I think execution should take at least 1-1.5 maybe 2 seconds. Which is actually something you can get used to. And then i know there are keyboards which support "pauses" between inputs. So they can delay macro usage anyway. But an important skill like the Sheltering Etude should be played over and over with quickplay since there is no skill more deserving of quickplay Q in this state of Bard.
One more thing... If I accidentally press ESC after switching to performance mode with Tab, I am getting "Open the Options Menu and choose a keybind for "Primary Artifact Active Power" or you cant use an artifact!" pop-up. And this PopUp appears exactly above the pinned skills on my stave!
I just wanted to say thanks.
So far, playing Minstrel is already way better than it was. Thanks for listening to the bug reports, suggestions and keeping people up to date. Looking forward to the next patch.
This has been really great.
Here are the patch notes that I wrote for it (note that doesn't mean it's live yet!):
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Various bard songs that say they affect "nearby allies" (e.g., Blaze Flamenco, Rejuvenating Carol) will now also affect friendly players who are not on your team. Songs that say they specifically affect teammates (e.g., Defender's Minuet) are not affected.
Full list of affected powers:
Songs
Aurora Fantasia
Blaze Flamenco
Rejuvenating/Reinvigorating Carol
Reprised Carols
Sheltering Etude
Steel March
Tailwind Mambo
Warding Carol
Class Feature: Vamos Alla!
Daily: Curtain Call
My points:
* If the class is properly balanced, in my opinion, manual play *should not* be required to play the class effectively and sufficiently for all content.
* If manual play is kept in the game, then there should be a gameplay incentive for it, because otherwise why do it at all?
* I am not pushing people to adopt third party tools to automate their gameplay. That is the last thing I want. Not to mention it's against ToS (which I did mention, by the way), which I obviously don't recommend. If you read with appropriate care, my grammar and word choice indicates that I was describing a situation hypothetically, and not imperatively.
I'm happy to just agree to disagree, but I don't need to tolerate defamatory presumptions either.
And honestly, no one wants this public side drama from us. This is my last post on the matter.
Retry without Sforzando selected and see what happens.
Can you review wizard class after this?
/envy
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> Yes, I could see the "Minstrel Inspiration" Icon in the buff menu. But I don't know if this +5% comes from Sforzando and this could be. If so, "Minstrel Inspiration" is not additive instead a multiplier like the Lionheart Set buff. Or it doesn't work even though it's an additive. I can't test right now.
With in/out of combat aside, the tests I performed on Critical Tuning, Truly Inspired, and Sforzando appear to be providing their benefits. They all work on the source song, too (i.e. the first song you play that triggers them).
Critical tuning is Critical Severity.
Truly Inspired is a multiplier.
Sforzando is Outgoing Healing.
Right now, in live, it's pretty bad.
In PE, a cleric or wizard will rebuild the correct stats in maximum 5s.
On the bard it takes up to 20-25s and often the stats are wrong (somehow they're lower than they should be). For instance if you defeat the character, as soon as you resurrect you'll have all stats rebuild in a few moments and noticeably higher.
Viperion - DragonTribe guild.
Playing Ranger/Paladin/Bard/Fighter.
Hey, there is another skill that doesn't seem to be working as described. Rjc9000 mentioned, Starstruck, our final Class Feature, only activates on the initial cast. And in the bit of parsing on my own that I have done means in an entire dungeon run it only activates 15'ish times.
From the wording and just as a useful functioning ability should proc on the ticks/heals of Rejuvenating Carol.
I mostly ask because it is the final Class Skill, so it kind of comes with the expectation that it will be at least usable if not one of the better options. And it sounds like a kind of fun feature since it bounces off the other party members own skills.
It would be great if before we move on from Minstrel, we could get this issue looked at.
1) It appears Starstruck cannot crit.
I have more logs showing no crits as I understand this is a small sample size.
2) The heal is relatively very weak.
See log above. If the proc chance is increased and Starstruck is capable of a critical strike, the low base heal magnitude may be adequate.
3) It appears Starstruck may only proc once per cast of Rejuvenating Carol (not per tick) or the proc chance is very low:
Starstruck proc at two different times on two different players from the same Rejuvenating Carol (nothing fancy here):
Starstruck proc as same time on two different players from the same Rejuvenating Carol (still, nothing fancy):
List of Rejuvenating Carol procs. You can see the Starstruck proc at 11:49:44 happened between ticks of a single Rejuvenating Carol. While I don't have video to support this statement 100%, I strongly doubt I cast a new Rejuvenating Carol right before the Starstruck procs. Again, it appears Starstruck may proc on more than just the initial tick of Rejuvenating Carol; however, it appears Starstruck either may only proc once per each Rejuvenating Carol cast and/or has a very low proc chance.
This is the most professional, productive, informative and communicative thread in many many many years.
If you act quickly, you're still able to get the, "You can't do that right now" message to pop up.
For example, if you play Rejuvenating Carol and then immediately attempt to Bassline, you will receive the following message:
If you are attempting to chain play songs, there is still a slight delay you have to be patient with, otherwise you will start playing your song and miss the first note; however, I'm not sure how much of this is related to lag and/or unavoidable:
Storyteller's bonus is not working on PreviewEdit:
1) Storyteller's bonus is working, apologies for the confusion.
2) Storyteller's bonus stacks are not showing in the buff bar of the Minstrel with Storyteller's Feat, but it is showing in the buff bar of party members. I suppose this is working as intended as you do not benefit from Storyteller self-buffs; however, on Live server, you can see Storyteller stacks on your buff bar for reference purposes and to monitor up-time more easily.
I do have a request out to UI to tweak things so that it's clearer when you're in that state (imagine something like a harp image that appears briefly the moment you hit TAB, to be replaced by the music staff when the server returns its "OK" -- note that's just an example, I don't know exactly what approach UI will choose). That won't speed things up, but hopefully it will it clearer what's going on. Be aware that UI time is in very heavy demand, so this upgrade may come later.
General Digression About Querying the Server
Skip this if you don't care about MMO underpinnings. But this topic is something that took me a while to understand, and then once I understood it I felt like a lot of weird MMO behavior made more sense to me (or really, this applies to any client-server game, but you see it more in MMOs because MMOs just have more people hitting the server at once, and thus more potential for lag. But you can see these same things happen sometimes in Diablo 3 or League of Legends, say).
If something in the game happens totally on your client, it can be very fast. But it can't be secure. If something requires server confirmation, it can be secure, but it won't always be fast. To figure out what's going on in a given situation, ask yourself the question "could I gain some sort of unfair advantage if I could lie about this thing?" and if the answer is yes, it's probably being checked w/ the server. If the answer is no, it might just be happening on your client.
So, for example, suppose you swing your sword at an orc and hit it. You watching the animation of yourself hitting the orc -- there's no advantage for you there, you already knew you were swinging your sword. But the orc taking damage -- if you could lie about that ("I hit that orc for 1,000,000 damage, trust me!") it would be bad. So the actual damage has to be checked by the server.
And what happens if there is a lot of lag? Well, then you will still see your sword swing and apparently hit the orc (because that's all happening on your client). But there will be a 2 second delay and only after that will you see the damage float saying how much damage the orc actually took (because the actual damage amount was sent to you by the server). Enemy death is also checked by the server, so another thing you'd see is your swinging at the orc several times, but then the orc actually dies a second or two after that.
Once you get used to thinking this way, you can spot it everywhere. I opened a chest, no delay... sure, that's just an animation playing right away. I tried to grab the loot and it took time... makes sense, the server needs to check that I am really entitled to that loot, and adjust my inventory accordingly.
In general, the game's developers are trying to put whatever they can onto the client so that the game feels fluid and responsive. And they are putting whatever they must on the server so that the game can't be ruined by unscrupulous people. Getting this balance right is an endless struggle (although the bulk of the decisions are made when the game's architecture is first set up).
There's a lot more to it, and some things like position in the game world are a kind of combination (your client has an idea where you are, which is why you immediately start moving forward when you press W, but the server has an idea too, which is why sometimes you "snap" to a new position -- that's the server saying to the client, "sorry, you had the wrong idea of your position, and you must now adjust to my idea of your position, because I am the server and I win all arguments"). But those are the basics.
i think that is not working as intended.
Here's the main reason: In group content like the Tower of the Mad Mage and Crown of Keldegonn, the 10 player composition is always like this:
- 5 DPS players in one party
- the rest in another party (2 healers & 1or2tanks & 1or2DPS).
This means that the bard will not be able to help DPS players outside his group who are in dire need of healing. It's just a major disadvantage vs the Cleric's Intercession healing which works this way.
Your rationale about healing responsibility sounds good in theory and probably works fine in other games, but honestly in ToMM & CoK, a healer is responsible of everyone. You can't afford to focus on less players than the ones moving around you. Often times, one healer takes care of the active busy tank while the other healer acts upon the DPS players HPs. But generally, throughout the whole fight, the two healers work concurrently to keep everyone alive, regardless if their ally is a party member or not.
All in all, I truly believe you'd help the class and the bard community A LOT by eliminating such limitations of Defender's Minuet. In my opinion it really won't make the Bard overpowered at all, just more in line with the other healers' capabilities.
Viperion - DragonTribe guild.
Playing Ranger/Paladin/Bard/Fighter.