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Players still abusing the system to avoid leaver penalties
benyr
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Just queued for a Random epic dungeon run, after waiting the best part of half an hour i got matched and found myself in LOMM. Immediately two players teleported themselves out of the dungeon rather than take the leaver penalty, forcing other in the group to take it. (We didnt, we sat around laughing at them and refusing to abandon) - to which one of them had the temerity to call me an idiot.
I reported both players, but can i suggest that people who abuse this system have either their entire VIP suspended for a month with no refund, or at least their VIP travel signpost facility removed.
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I reported both players, but can i suggest that people who abuse this system have either their entire VIP suspended for a month with no refund, or at least their VIP travel signpost facility removed.
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why not message their guild leaders directly ..
did the group actually have the requirements to complete the content or would it have been a waste of time anyways ..
maybe they did not have an hour to spend running the content and just wanted their random daily ads lol
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I have no idea who their guild leaders are, but i'm hoping by naming and shaming them their alliance leaders may see the post and remind them what constitutes appropriate behaviour.
And maybe they didn't have an hour to spend running the content I get that, and i wouldn't be complaining if they abandoned the instance. However porting out of the instance to try and force another player to take the leaver penalty is an abuse of the system and deserves to be reported and called out.
On the brightside I did get to spend time with two very nice players, and we all enjoyed having a chat and good look around the dungeon whilst refusing to abandon or vote for an abandonment, whilst being called idiots by one of the players who had left as they ended up being trapped in the party a lot longer than the 30 min leaver penalty.
Like I said I reported them, I've had a response. The service team have the screenshots and chat logs, I doubt i'll ever find out if any action is taken, but i think its important to do the right thing and flag these offenders (perhaps not publicly - my bad) to try and influence the devs into doing something about it.
o leaver penalty time doubled after the first time its used in a day.
o system automatic kick of players who have not loaded in to a random within 60 seconds (just send them to the next queue up)
o ability for a team to vote to kick or leave after 5 minutes. (whats the harm in this?)
It made Random queues far worse than before it was implemented.
It punishes people who stay and want to finish the dungeon and completely misses the mark with abusers, while also being generally ignored by genuine quitters.
They should have just designed a system to increase reward and incentive for parties that wipe or that are undergeared/unprepared instead.
In addition to a "rescue" reward for people who join an already started instance (with wipes and quitters) and manage to end it.
And on top of that, they should have designed a "score" not based on your toon's actual power, but on your account's accumulated play experience, an indicator that can tell if "player x" knows what he's doing or not, if he has ever finished the instance or not, ecc...
People see only the IL and are mislead to make assumption not knowing anything about the player behind the toon, which can make a drastic difference, heh or maybe it did before mod 16, perhaps nowadays it's different.
Although I'm not even sure why I am even bothering with the feedback right now, since I haven't been playing since the latest mod came out (and it was just to check out the new mod, I actually had stopped playing way before that, probably over 6 months now).
So my suggestion would be to remove people leaving the zone from party with the normal penalties.
Of course you can still just sit and wait at the start campfire, but that is a much worse option than like it is today where you can go hunting elsewhere.
all these "solutions" trying to punish /adjust vip players are just lol
this has nothing to do with a vip travel sign post in the case of lomm
What the dev team should actually do is force a party to remain with in the dungeon but even if they did that people would stand afk at a campfire waiting for someone to take the leavers pen so they can leave.
As you can tell no matter what a dev does to fix the issue nothing will ever fix the issue.
You can call them out on the forums and to their guild leaders but lets be real so many does this that most likely your time will become wasted from messaging and posting people that does this.
All one can really do is suck it up and take the hit.
Those that act like children and stay in a party and just wait for someone to leave well are just that children and those that are adults should teach children the proper way to handle it and simply leave rather then make a fuss.
I am not stating its the right call but just stating that nothing can fix this issue and rather waste your time on trying to report post or message about it take the hit instead.
I my self have been in the same spot. Waited along time and go into a dungeon and someone becomes a child and refuses to try or leave makes every one frustrated.
What i would say though based on my engagement with the support team (who have been very helpful and informative) is that its really black and white to prove if a player is porting out or AFKing if its reported at the time, so a really simple fix is if a player is reported for doing it, the support team can know 100% if its a genuine report or not with no effort - simply ban that account from running randoms for 24 hours on an increasing basis for each time they do it.
You won't get anything. They just want to avoid punishment.
If you have the really bad luck that you run again with them and they do the same, remember, you can't put names in the forum.
But for real, i undertand that anger that those lovely players makes you feel with their "Oh, we can't succed even if we try, so we will exploit this until one of you quit or kick us so we don't have to leave with the penalty for 30 min" and even more when they get angry cuz you don't let them have it their way.
I really think you and your other team mates did good not kicking them and making them wait with all of you, if they don't want to play, then they should take the bullet.
I really hope your pugs from now on are with at least "lets give it a try!" ppl.
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Same with my fighter DPS/tank roles.
Bascially they are saying stuff you, I'm going to HAMSTER you off until either you quit or wait 15 mins to kick me, just so I can avoid a leaver penalty.
If you want to leave that's fine - take the 30 min hit like a grown up. Sometimes I do (particularly lomm, codg or CR - anything else I can carry them through), I might not feel awesome about bailing on some noobs, but at least they don't have to take the leaver hit as well as get abandoned. that's just rubbing salt into the wound and being an *******.
When someone does that, I normally send some abuse their way and then put them on ignore. Better off without players like that on your friends list.
As far as this issue gos truth be told there are many many ways I can think of that can be used to fix the issue to a degree but each one would only hurt everyone and not really solve the over all issue.
The way I look at it is like this. You simply can not force a player to do anything he or she does not wish to do and there in lies the issue.
To be more honest this game is the only game I have played with this type issue.
When i use to play wow never had a team or even anyone in a team decide to stand there and not do the dungeon.
When i use to play rift I also never got into a dungeon where a player decided to not do it.
can not say why neverwinter has this issue but can say you simply can not fix a issue like this when its not really a game issue.
It is a human issue and I say that because well if a person does not wish to do the dungeon nor leave and take the hit then they become children and as children do cause a fuss and act out.
You simply can not fix stupid. I do not state that calling anyone stupid or children just pointing out those that do this type issue act like a child and you simply can not fix that.
However you will still most likely see that person you ignored back in your dungeon party because ignore does not stop that from happening.
To be honest i strongly feel that ignore should stop all actions.
Text messages and even party invites no matter if thats a random queue or a actual formed party if a user is blocked they should not be able to enter with anyone that has them blocked. but ya thats not how it works.