greywyndMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 7,158Arc User
Getting them without applying the effort to get them is more akin to "double-dipping".
I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
Getting them without applying the effort to get them is more akin to "double-dipping".
Open the campaign up 100% on one character. Than continue farming to buy the token and now the campaign for an alt takes 50% of the time. That is not a bad win for us as players. I used this on my GF for River District and on my CW for STK/SOMI and I will state, that 50% reduction was definitely worth getting.
Getting them without applying the effort to get them is more akin to "double-dipping".
Open the campaign up 100% on one character. Than continue farming to buy the token and now the campaign for an alt takes 50% of the time. That is not a bad win for us as players. I used this on my GF for River District and on my CW for STK/SOMI and I will state, that 50% reduction was definitely worth getting.
But the OP wants it for free. They think because they completed it on one character, they are entitled to it on every subsequent character .
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greywyndMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 7,158Arc User
Open the campaign up 100% on one character. Than continue farming to buy the token and now the campaign for an alt takes 50% of the time. That is not a bad win for us as players. I used this on my GF for River District and on my CW for STK/SOMI and I will state, that 50% reduction was definitely worth getting.
I've done it on mine, as well. #7 just finished CA and SKT this week. 2 more to go.
I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
have i ever told you the definition of insanity...sry..i mean the definition of repeating old campaigns 4-5 years old...
How about doing that actually gives you more experience in playing the class? I don't know about you, but I am seeing an annoyingly high number of players at level 70, and "end-game" gear who have less than, say 100 hours of playtime on their characters and quite frankly don't know how to play them properly - don't know which powers to use in which circumstances, for example.
Getting all the boons "for free" would just make this issue even worse - I'm totally opposed to it (and yeah, I have level 70s of every class, and every single boon in every campaign only on my main, so I would actually benefit from it ... but it is just a bad idea).
well, yeah ...but we have a little tiny problem here...patronage token needs lots of campaign currency plus 50k ad's ...and that's one big 'No' !
Then don't do it. Don't want the Signets. Don't want the boons. Don't want the alts. Your problem is solved.
I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
have i ever told you the definition of insanity...sry..i mean the definition of repeating old campaigns 4-5 years old... your answer doesn't solve the problem of grinding and repeating old stuff which are not part of endgame content.
I've run eToS and other epics probably a few thousand times already. And for what? AD. This game may not be for you if you can't do 30 days or whatever of dailies for each zone's boons.
have i ever told you the definition of insanity...sry..i mean the definition of repeating old campaigns 4-5 years old... your answer doesn't solve the problem of grinding and repeating old stuff which are not part of endgame content.
I've run eToS and other epics probably a few thousand times already. And for what? AD. This game may not be for you if you can't do 30 days or whatever of dailies for each zone's boons.
Geeeett over yahselves. ppl have already done the zones billions of times. there is no ad in spending hours in a zone for an alt. there is about to be a cap on the amount of ad you can get for running alts. it's not like people cant handle the grind its that there are BETTER thigns to grind than content that is five years old that we are sick of and was never that fun to begin with. boons should be account wide.
as far as them losing another money source. no one is giving them hard cash for this. maybe they were a year ago but at this point it just needs to translate over for other toons you want to play. maybe they don't need to do the most recent content. (although I personally wouldn't complain) but the first few campaigns should just be universal once completed at this point in time imo
Geeeett over yahselves. ppl have already done the zones billions of times. there is no ad in spending hours in a zone for an alt. there is about to be a cap on the amount of ad you can get for running alts. it's not like people cant handle the grind its that there are BETTER thigns to grind than content that is five years old that we are sick of and was never that fun to begin with. boons should be account wide.
as far as them losing another money source. no one is giving them hard cash for this. maybe they were a year ago but at this point it just needs to translate over for other toons you want to play. maybe they don't need to do the most recent content. (although I personally wouldn't complain) but the first few campaigns should just be universal once completed at this point in time imo
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I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
have i ever told you the definition of insanity...sry..i mean the definition of repeating old campaigns 4-5 years old... your answer doesn't solve the problem of grinding and repeating old stuff which are not part of endgame content.
I've run eToS and other epics probably a few thousand times already. And for what? AD. This game may not be for you if you can't do 30 days or whatever of dailies for each zone's boons.
Geeeett over yahselves. ppl have already done the zones billions of times. there is no ad in spending hours in a zone for an alt. there is about to be a cap on the amount of ad you can get for running alts. it's not like people cant handle the grind its that there are BETTER thigns to grind than content that is five years old that we are sick of and was never that fun to begin with. boons should be account wide.
as far as them losing another money source. no one is giving them hard cash for this. maybe they were a year ago but at this point it just needs to translate over for other toons you want to play. maybe they don't need to do the most recent content. (although I personally wouldn't complain) but the first few campaigns should just be universal once completed at this point in time imo
Sorry, I disagree. If you want the privileges of the content (the boons), you need to take on the responsibilities of running the content. If you you don't want to play the first campaigns, buy the completion tokens.
I ran a VT today and a 8K GF out-DPS-ed a 12K GWF and a 13K HR. Makes me said that I cannot trust iLvL anymore. Yea, we need more stuff given away for free.
I agree, grinding the old campaigns for a million time for boons that you got already in your main is the most boring thing in neverwinter because you waste all your free time to something that is not endgame content...
So we come to the conclusion that NW is not alt-friendly ...we have to keep using only mains for dungeons that are demanding...gratz...and why an adminstrator of the forum or a dev like Julia aka Nitocris do not reply to the thread for an opinion..
Alt-friendly means not working for the rewards? Once again there are several options available. But, people rather say, "l don't wanna work for it, I'm entitled to it for free."
Boons are not a requirement for anything in this game. It is gravy. You want gravy? Go make it. Heck, even the gravy is already half made with the options that are available. Begging for handouts for something unnecessary usually does not work.
I am getting so sick of this. Tonight I was in a nDemo run that took way longer than it should. There was a 14K DODC, more iLvl than my DODC, and that person was completely clueless on buffing. He stood very far from everyone and just pew pew pew with the BotS the entire time. I went close to him. No TI, not even WoL. This is getting so ridiculous. It's only going to get worst with primal gear becomes standard issue.
I am always confused as to why people get so worked up on other people sharing their ideas and thoughts about something they enjoy...
At end of the day I like the game so I play the game, and I take what I perceive as the good with the bad, until a time the bad outweighs the good. My time, my money, my choice.
If cryptic were to ask me I’d suggest they do something that evaluates the desires of all their customer base.
For those who would like the boons unlocked, why not? Other games have successfully done similar if not the exact same thing and it’s worked with no problems. As it’s been pointed out, it is a business and the name of the game is to make money. There are ways this could be accomplished and still make profit for cryptic aside from the options they currently have which is a large investment for some players. It could be set up as a monthly fee, even $10 a month perhaps that unlocks all booms account wide once they have been unlocked, or add another layer to vip that does the same. There are many viable options on how this could be accomplished to satisfy the entire customer base desiring they do so.
For those against it who rather not spend money, or enjoy playing each character through all the campaigns, they still get what they want by simply not using any of the options, and playing the game they want to.
I like many of you I have several lvl 70 characters (6), and I currently have little desire to go through all the content again for a 7th time. Especially since with every new release, the content to unlock increases. I just got a new friend into the game, and I’m anxious for us to get to play together in content that is meaningful for both of us. I sold him on the game by explaining it is a free to play game, but most likely he would want to put some cash into the game for various things possibly such as vip at the least, and so forth. Having an option to bring new people into the game to be able to play with there friends who may not find it fun to start a new character again to play with them, would be a nice option and arguably increase new players joining the game and more quickly being able to enjoy it. They can always go back through the earlier content at any time if they would like to do so.
I guess I just don’t see why the conversations have to point to an either/ or scenario when things can be done to suit a larger player base.
I am always confused as to why people get so worked up on other people sharing their ideas and thoughts about something they enjoy...
At end of the day I like the game so I play the game, and I take what I perceive as the good with the bad, until a time the bad outweighs the good. My time, my money, my choice.
If cryptic were to ask me I’d suggest they do something that evaluates the desires of all their customer base.
For those who would like the boons unlocked, why not? Other games have successfully done similar if not the exact same thing and it’s worked with no problems. As it’s been pointed out, it is a business and the name of the game is to make money. There are ways this could be accomplished and still make profit for cryptic aside from the options they currently have which is a large investment for some players. It could be set up as a monthly fee, even $10 a month perhaps that unlocks all booms account wide once they have been unlocked, or add another layer to vip that does the same. There are many viable options on how this could be accomplished to satisfy the entire customer base desiring they do so.
For those against it who rather not spend money, or enjoy playing each character through all the campaigns, they still get what they want by simply not using any of the options, and playing the game they want to.
I like many of you I have several lvl 70 characters (6), and I currently have little desire to go through all the content again for a 7th time. Especially since with every new release, the content to unlock increases. I just got a new friend into the game, and I’m anxious for us to get to play together in content that is meaningful for both of us. I sold him on the game by explaining it is a free to play game, but most likely he would want to put some cash into the game for various things possibly such as vip at the least, and so forth. Having an option to bring new people into the game to be able to play with there friends who may not find it fun to start a new character again to play with them, would be a nice option and arguably increase new players joining the game and more quickly being able to enjoy it. They can always go back through the earlier content at any time if they would like to do so.
I guess I just don’t see why the conversations have to point to an either/ or scenario when things can be done to suit a larger player base.
That would kind of defeat the purpose of the campaign completion tokens already sold in the Zen Market.
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micky1p00Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,594Arc User
So we come to the conclusion that NW is not alt-friendly ...we have to keep using only mains for dungeons that are demanding...gratz...and why an adminstrator of the forum or a dev like Julia aka Nitocris do not reply to the thread for an opinion..
Every second thread you make is about giving you something for free, access to tomb, easier version of tomb because you don't have gear, legendary companions issues because you don't have those and others do.
How about using all this time for farming instead of foruming.
PS. please don't speak for others in your "we". My only conclusion is that the child tactics of "So you are an abusive and evil adult because you don't buy candy to the petulant child" has expiration date.
So we come to the conclusion that NW is not alt-friendly ...we have to keep using only mains for dungeons that are demanding...gratz...and why an adminstrator of the forum or a dev like Julia aka Nitocris do not reply to the thread for an opinion..
Every second thread you make is about giving you something for free, access to tomb, easier version of tomb because you don't have gear, legendary companions issues because you don't have those and others do.
How about using all this time for farming instead of foruming.
PS. please don't speak for others in your "we". My only conclusion is that the child tactics of "So you are an abusive and evil adult because you don't buy candy to the petulant child" has expiration date.
This is actually redo of the same thing posted last year on the PC boards.
I am getting so sick of this. Tonight I was in a nDemo run that took way longer than it should. There was a 14K DODC, more iLvl than my DODC, and that person was completely clueless on buffing. He stood very far from everyone and just pew pew pew with the BotS the entire time. I went close to him. No TI, not even WoL. This is getting so ridiculous. It's only going to get worst with primal gear becomes standard issue.
heheh fer realz? you're complaining about an ndemo run?
heheh fer realz? you're complaining about an ndemo run?
I'm complaining about being catfished. Four players were missing so it was going to be a severe undermanned run. I was debating whether I should leave because there would be no penalty for me. I inspected the others and saw one 13K GWF and one 14K DODC. The other heal spot was missing. I figured those two with my 14K GF, we should be okay and the run should be fast. On my 14K DODC, all I need is one hdps and the run will be fast.
It's one thing to bring a trash toon in to take a dps spot. But a trash toon taking the more important heal and tank spot is terrible. If it was an 8K ACDC, I know I would not get much buffs. You see a 14K DC and you think that player should know what he is doing. I've also seen many demo runs where both tanks won't, or can't, tank demo.
This is the canary in the mines. Right now, these trash toons on steroids are only possible when their main can grind ToNG/CoDG for UES so much that they can outfit the them. Seems so easy with all primal gear to get 11/12K. And with guild boons, 13/14K is possible. Come mod 14 with the easy primal gear, only a fresh newbie will be under 11K. And people think it's a good idea to give boons out for free so every toon can get another 1.5K or so?
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greywyndMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 7,158Arc User
Everyone wants experienced players. No one wants to be in the run when the players are looking to get their experience.
I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission. Earth just lost her best defender, so we're here to fight. And if you want to stand in our way, we'll fight you too.
Everyone wants experienced players. No one wants to be in the run when the players are looking to get their experience.
Because everyone loves to carry an experienced player playing an experienced-looking toon like an inexperienced player because they have no interest in playing that toon and are in it only for the AD.
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micky1p00Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,594Arc User
edited June 2018
Long long ago... in a galaxy far far away... wait oops, in a dungeon far far away, about 5 years ago, (or every new dungeon that comes out) when we all started to play and there were no "experienced" players how we got into dungeons? Couldn't be that we all waited for someone experienced to take us... We grouped up, did our best, and eventually became experienced.
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Getting all the boons "for free" would just make this issue even worse - I'm totally opposed to it (and yeah, I have level 70s of every class, and every single boon in every campaign only on my main, so I would actually benefit from it ... but it is just a bad idea).
People demanding account wide campaign completion just because they completed on one character?
People demanding account wide BiS equipment just because they have it one character?
Why work for anything when you can just have it handed to you? People want everything handed to them, just like in real life.
as far as them losing another money source. no one is giving them hard cash for this. maybe they were a year ago but at this point it just needs to translate over for other toons you want to play. maybe they don't need to do the most recent content. (although I personally wouldn't complain) but the first few campaigns should just be universal once completed at this point in time imo
At end of the day I like the game so I play the game, and I take what I perceive as the good with the bad, until a time the bad outweighs the good. My time, my money, my choice.
If cryptic were to ask me I’d suggest they do something that evaluates the desires of all their customer base.
For those who would like the boons unlocked, why not? Other games have successfully done similar if not the exact same thing and it’s worked with no problems. As it’s been pointed out, it is a business and the name of the game is to make money. There are ways this could be accomplished and still make profit for cryptic aside from the options they currently have which is a large investment for some players. It could be set up as a monthly fee, even $10 a month perhaps that unlocks all booms account wide once they have been unlocked, or add another layer to vip that does the same. There are many viable options on how this could be accomplished to satisfy the entire customer base desiring they do so.
For those against it who rather not spend money, or enjoy playing each character through all the campaigns, they still get what they want by simply not using any of the options, and playing the game they want to.
I like many of you I have several lvl 70 characters (6), and I currently have little desire to go through all the content again for a 7th time. Especially since with every new release, the content to unlock increases. I just got a new friend into the game, and I’m anxious for us to get to play together in content that is meaningful for both of us. I sold him on the game by explaining it is a free to play game, but most likely he would want to put some cash into the game for various things possibly such as vip at the least, and so forth. Having an option to bring new people into the game to be able to play with there friends who may not find it fun to start a new character again to play with them, would be a nice option and arguably increase new players joining the game and more quickly being able to enjoy it. They can always go back through the earlier content at any time if they would like to do so.
I guess I just don’t see why the conversations have to point to an either/ or scenario when things can be done to suit a larger player base.
How about using all this time for farming instead of foruming.
PS. please don't speak for others in your "we". My only conclusion is that the child tactics of "So you are an abusive and evil adult because you don't buy candy to the petulant child" has expiration date.
It's one thing to bring a trash toon in to take a dps spot. But a trash toon taking the more important heal and tank spot is terrible. If it was an 8K ACDC, I know I would not get much buffs. You see a 14K DC and you think that player should know what he is doing. I've also seen many demo runs where both tanks won't, or can't, tank demo.
This is the canary in the mines. Right now, these trash toons on steroids are only possible when their main can grind ToNG/CoDG for UES so much that they can outfit the them. Seems so easy with all primal gear to get 11/12K. And with guild boons, 13/14K is possible. Come mod 14 with the easy primal gear, only a fresh newbie will be under 11K. And people think it's a good idea to give boons out for free so every toon can get another 1.5K or so?
Couldn't be that we all waited for someone experienced to take us... We grouped up, did our best, and eventually became experienced.