What I am gathering from the multiple pages of discussion here, is that the majority of players seem to not only disagree with this choice to nerf bondings but infact seem to averse it. We shall see if you truly make these forums as a platform for the players voice to be heard and considered. Or if it is just a place to dump our concerned truisms, upon deaf ears.
A lot of people are going to quit this game if this actually happens.. I have had a lot of people say they would. I don't understand how nerfing bondings is going to help us get better. Bondings need to stay the same or Neverwinter wI'll be dead!
You devs really are shooting yourselves in the foot. If you do this for $$$$$ and you believe you won't lose a lot of players with those horrible changes you're bringing upon our toons and our gameplay "experience" you'll be in for a surprise once that hits live.
Bondings should retain 100% uptime so companions actually mean jack
You need to tweak end game content regarding difficulty and loot tables to compensate for siginificantly increased clearing times us players will have. So, taking much longer to run FBI/MSP/TO9G to get a peridot/rank 8 runestone? Nice joke, between those horrible changes, horrible loot tables and new games coming, you will lose a lot for players, your greediness has reached yet a new level, devs.
No hysteria - personally i have done the math as well - but also want power on augment if used - lost unless i use an orange defense pet and i have it. Point being - if this is the feedback i am reading in 12 hours now 13 that the game is up - consider the bonding issue resolution - from your customer's feedback. And in the same decision making process to listen or not - consider the downside carefully. I have heard they don't care - they will just do it. Its ok. I could easy adjust and afford to - but would not/ Not because i don't like the people and the game - simply based on the principle that players have been ignored. Still not believable to me a business would not have a player and leader centered focus group or team prior to communications like this. No matter the hysteria or math - it is and still will occur. So why risk it when your suggestion is a good compromise - or better leave it alone - how on earth can players be effective if crit and ap in may case have been refined - and loaded on pets - mount insignia etc.. It is the ignoring that will have cascading impact. The game internally and forums are lit up - people are downloading different games and so upset - i would look to a rapid response - before more damage and issues occur. The hysteria could be tamped down with action.
Ok, it's clear that i wouldn't say anything that wasn't said already, but still want to add my 2 cents:
- Unified RP system - not bad, sounds good on paper - Making unified RP not account wide is HAMSTER. I'd rather prefer you to remove extra bag slot but make RP account wide like zen. - Unified mark system - another "sounds good on paper", i like it - No more 2xRP - HAMSTER, most of you will just punch me for saying this, but... i like this change too XD Yes, we all refining now when 2xRP, lowering RP needed and no 2xRP will remove that 2 months waiting period. I don't mind at all - 2 tiers more for stones, etc. - now... i'm not sure here... read next point - Triple nerf to bondings - STOP, please, STOP HERE!!! Looks like you forgot Mod6. I mean, ok, bonding now are... a bit too op, (CAUSED BY YOU btw, by creating R12 in first place). I don't mind slight nerf to % stat they give us, but, adding AGAIN old CD is a bit too much. Not only that, you are boosting old runestones (good here, +1 for it) too, making bondings stones absolutely useless now!!!! I've only read first 3 pages, but ppl already mentioned that a simple augment will be better. BiS player will have "no prob", ehem, they will just buy new stuff and 2 days later they will have all BiS again, but ppl that have sold everything to boost their stats a bit with bondings, now can shove them where the sun don't shine because stat wise, a simple augment will provide more stats ALL THE TIME!!! The bondings are not a prob, power sharing is. Limit these powers instead of HAMSTER million investment in bondings. All BiS and whales happy: more difficult content, no new items to buy, just adapt and start avoiding red areas instead of standing on them. The rest of mortals will suffer EVEN MORE, but oh well. If you still want to nerf bondings: - leave % as is (make R14 be like old R12, giving 95%, if you want) and add 50% CD. This will make bondings, in long fights, give 295%/2=147,5% overall stat boost - nerf % even more, but without any CD - boost by at least FIFE TIMES the damage normal companions deal to make them at least of some value damage wise. Creating 300% soft cap makes debuffing ones even worse! If still triple nerf (the third one is boosting eldritch stones to the state when bondings become worse than augment) just create a npc where we can exchange our million investment in new augment and R14 runestones. Again, there are better ways to stop this power creep without HAMSTERING it all.
All endgame content has been run using groups equipped for minimal iLvL and using only Augments and we have had zero problems. Players have it entirely wrong, as it stands if you have R12 Bondings, or even Rank10+ for that matter, currently in Mod12 and are having and kind of problem; it's you. Plain and simple. You are either doing something wrong or you've come to rely on the Bondings as a crutch and what's sad at that point is you're still failing.
To be honest this is actually the penultimate "Get Good" moment.
@tgwolf At least please post your video proof of completing endgame content (I assume T9G?) with minimal iLVL group with only augments equipped as you stated.
I can make the same claim without providing any proof: I soloed FBI with minimal iLvL with augment only and had zero problems
> @armadeonx said: > I dont understand this change surely the most common sense thing to do would be to rework augment companions and change the other runestones so they're on par with bonding runestones? > > > > What is the point nerfing stuff now this is a stupid decision! All you're doing is annoying people and making these people quit the game > > They did it partly so they could increase the rank of enchantments - that means more refining, which means more wards - so more money. > > They are not bothered about more stats. If they were, they wouldn't keep adding new sources of stats. They want players at 15-16k to have new things to spend money on. Thing is, even this has been done badly.
I dont mind them adding more ranks to enchantments in fact i think its good idea the main thing that bothers me is the bonding runestones i have spent alot of time upgrading these these things i have spent literally no money on this game and just constantly grinding refinement but now I've wasted all my time getting these upgraded.
Im on xbox by the way and I'm not looking forward to this at all such a big change when its not needed all that was needed was the other runestones being buffed and as a whole making augment conpanions on par with normal companions thats it.
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jumpingmorksMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 876Arc User
No hysteria - personally i have done the math as well - but also want power on augment if used - lost unless i use an orange defense pet and i have it. Point being - if this is the feedback i am reading in 12 hours now 13 that the game is up - consider the bonding issue resolution - from your customer's feedback. And in the same decision making process to listen or not - consider the downside carefully. I have heard they don't care - they will just do it. Its ok. I could easy adjust and afford to - but would not/ Not because i don't like the people and the game - simply based on the principle that players have been ignored. Still not believable to me a business would not have a player and leader centered focus group or team prior to communications like this. No matter the hysteria or math - it is and still will occur. So why risk it when your suggestion is a good compromise - or better leave it alone - how on earth can players be effective if crit and ap in may case have been refined - and loaded on pets - mount insignia etc.. It is the ignoring that will have cascading impact. The game internally and forums are lit up - people are downloading different games and so upset - i would look to a rapid response - before more damage and issues occur. The hysteria could be tamped down with action.
I have to agree with what the majority of the comments I've seen so far about this change:
Reduce stats shared from bondigs and buf runestones to make both viable --> ok
Reduce stats shared stats plus cut in half uptime of bonding --> BAD!, really really bad! Are you mad??
Just this announcement made a complete mess with the price of bondings, they've dropped it's price like crazy... And this whole change feels like another "BAM! I f*ck you because I can, turning all your effort into wasted time!" from the devs. It makes no sense, this will break the already fragile balance of this game.
I really hope devs figure out a way of balancing bonding runestones that does not turn them into garbage, for their own sake too.
With the new Eldritch Runestones and an Augment you get roughly 175% of your Augments stats all the time, if I'm reading your table correctly. 195% half the time is not better by a long shot, though I could live with it matching an Augment w/Eldritch at 175% with a 100% uptime to truly give players a choice about how they want to play, and with what companions. As is you're just going to see people brush off their old Augments and shelf their comps.
This of course assumes you fix the power sharing issue with companions with bondings transferring power from DC/OPs back to the owner for a 4x buff.
Using Eldrich runestones in that way relies on using an Augment with 3 Defense slots of which there is only the Bulette Pup IIRC. You lose out on stats in that way also, further crippling the gain from it.
On top of that, an Augment gives raw stats, nothing more. It's also unaffected by buffs of any kind.
Bondings will still be superior but now they will be in line with how the stat gain should work instead of giving disgusting amounts far beyond what is even remotely necessary.
And before you say Bondings are required for this or that etc.
No. No they are not. Augments even poorly equipped do the job with zero issues even now. Hell I unequipped my Augment and all that happened is a slight effort boost was required. Whoop de freakin doo.
The game is easy, very little is challenging about it and with Bondings right now even that vanishes.
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santralafaxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,896Arc User
This game is becoming very tiresome. I'm at lunch now, but will try to digest this all tonight. I hope that people are wrong about a bonding nerf. How is today's 2xRP affected by late-breaking/unannounced changes???
Good to see someone is allocated to be a community manager. Not sure however the community was informed - polled - etc.. as any company would about considerable changes. If it was or there is one - then wouldn't outrage change how the community manager operates. The damage is done. A community manager is post - not pre. It would make far better business sense to get leaders together - work with them on changes - then gain their support at the top. The have them herald the changes down stream to the guilds and then more widely to the constituents in the game. As is evidenced by the entire thread here - there is a lot of disenfranchised, upset, brand ambassadors that just went right off the reservation. This all would have been avoided had a consensus been reached prior. They key will be as a community manager can you absorb sentiment and feedback and take the appropriate steps to adjust your thinking or is this simply an outlet for people to vent. personally in the many many businesses i have been involved with - i would view all this in horror and have a rapid response team to cut this mess off at the knees - thank everyone for their feedback and note that with that the following adjustments. People would appreciate their voices being heard. Now on the other hand if it is ignored then i believe you will find resentment, exodus, brand issues and be left with a middle manager making a terrible decision. Would be smart to compile the feedback in a report up to the whoever makes decisions and see if they are willing to live the impact - project impact - and make a business decision to see if there is a tolerance for it - given the downside. Its not my business it is someone else so i am not here vested into decision making - i can project accurately however that this is not a good one. Good luck - govern yourself accordingly.
I can only imagine that you are planning this change to rebalance gameplay, reduce the amount of power bloat in character/companion builds so that you can scale content more efficiently in the future and remove some current mechanics that allow players to ignore game/encounter mechanics. However it does feel like a slap in the face to everyone who has spent so much time/effort/money in collecting/ranking up the appropriate companions and bonding stones. I play on PS4 I have 3 characters at or over 15k item level. I have 9 rank 12 bonding stones. It was very expensive to get there. I can currently fill any role for any content available in the game (dps/support/tank) with my characters. It would be highly discouraging if this change were to mean that I simply could no longer be successful at content I have already mastered. Additionally I have no interest in spending weeks trying to rebuild just so I can do content that i have already run and from which we get useless drops anyway.
I see an enormous negative outcry from this proposed change to the bonding stones. If this change does not break the viability my characters as currently built then I will not be wildly upset about it in regards to my personal experience. However I am not certain that I would want to continue playing a game where the developers ignore or discount such a loud and concise outcry from their customers.
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That is the gist of it, taking players out of content that THEY CURRENTLY COMPLETE.
FOR GARBAGE REWARDS - rank 5 in MSPC? I see it wasn't bothered to address THAT issue
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I do not think that this is a good option for the game and see it causing MANY MANY people to leave. I personally have spent an amount of real life money on this game somewhere in the high four figure mark as I am sure many others have. Part of that money has been spent on bondings/echantments/etc, other random items for my 14 toons, and the rest on trying to better our guild (ie boons). I understand that it is a "Free To Play" game and that nothing in the game is technically owned by us (characters, guilds, anything), be that as it may we as customers have stupidly spent a lot of cold hard cash on our accounts doing our part to keep the lights on at PWE and Cryptic.
Putting all personal feelings aside and looking at it purely from a business standpoint, pushing forth changes like this that will impact your top customers (paying) more than anyone else is not a good move and it may cause you to lose a lot more revenue than you stand to gain.
Good to see someone is allocated to be a community manager. Not sure however the community was informed - polled - etc.. as any company would about considerable changes. If it was or there is one - then wouldn't outrage change how the community manager operates.
Yeah they don't do consultations, they don't poll for opinions. They don't look at player sentiment.
(presumably) A few of their guys get together and work out a plan between themselves that (experience has taught us) always leads to a complete mess.
I've only ever seen them engage (pre-decision) with the players once - that was with the weapon enchantment changes. Isn't it funny how that went through with probably the least amount of fuss/negative feedback that we've ever seen.
God forbid they repeat a methodology that worked.
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jumpingmorksMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 876Arc User
With the new Eldritch Runestones and an Augment you get roughly 175% of your Augments stats all the time, if I'm reading your table correctly. 195% half the time is not better by a long shot, though I could live with it matching an Augment w/Eldritch at 175% with a 100% uptime to truly give players a choice about how they want to play, and with what companions. As is you're just going to see people brush off their old Augments and shelf their comps.
This of course assumes you fix the power sharing issue with companions with bondings transferring power from DC/OPs back to the owner for a 4x buff.
Using Eldrich runestones in that way relies on using an Augment with 3 Defense slots of which there is only the Bulette Pup IIRC. You lose out on stats in that way also, further crippling the gain from it.
On top of that, an Augment gives raw stats, nothing more. It's also unaffected by buffs of any kind.
Bondings will still be superior but now they will be in line with how the stat gain should work instead of giving disgusting amounts far beyond what is even remotely necessary.
And before you say Bondings are required for this or that etc.
No. No they are not. Augments even poorly equipped do the job with zero issues even now. Hell I unequipped my Augment and all that happened is a slight effort boost was required. Whoop de freakin doo.
The game is easy, very little is challenging about it and with Bondings right now even that vanishes.
Then remove them, augments and companions. It's not like we need them right?
And for most content we don't need them.
A couple days ago I was really proud of myself when I finally got the Curator Acheivement. Then someone in Legit told me to recheck the Achievements and lo and behold another acheivement showed up, restore each set and get them to legendary.
I really want to master this game, at least master what I want to master, but what's the point when instead of providing another goalpost to aim for, you teleport the player back. I don't feel like I'm progressing, I feel like I'm pushing a rock up a hill that I will never reach the top of.
For some their investment relies on real life money, for some, their time is their currency. If neither is worth investing what happens to the game?
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jumpingmorksMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 876Arc User
Good to see someone is allocated to be a community manager. Not sure however the community was informed - polled - etc.. as any company would about considerable changes. If it was or there is one - then wouldn't outrage change how the community manager operates. The damage is done. A community manager is post - not pre. It would make far better business sense to get leaders together - work with them on changes - then gain their support at the top. The have them herald the changes down stream to the guilds and then more widely to the constituents in the game. As is evidenced by the entire thread here - there is a lot of disenfranchised, upset, brand ambassadors that just went right off the reservation. This all would have been avoided had a consensus been reached prior. They key will be as a community manager can you absorb sentiment and feedback and take the appropriate steps to adjust your thinking or is this simply an outlet for people to vent. personally in the many many businesses i have been involved with - i would view all this in horror and have a rapid response team to cut this mess off at the knees - thank everyone for their feedback and note that with that the following adjustments. People would appreciate their voices being heard. Now on the other hand if it is ignored then i believe you will find resentment, exodus, brand issues and be left with a middle manager making a terrible decision. Would be smart to compile the feedback in a report up to the whoever makes decisions and see if they are willing to live the impact - project impact - and make a business decision to see if there is a tolerance for it - given the downside. Its not my business it is someone else so i am not here vested into decision making - i can project accurately however that this is not a good one. Good luck - govern yourself accordingly.
I'm sure we'll hear from them eventually, looks like they are still working on a maintenance post and maybe patch notes, or not.
This is so completely outrageous. At least there should be some kind of exchange like there was when they nerfed lostmauth's set. I spent so much time grinding for these, to have their value literally cut in half overnight is just heartbreaking.
Okay, wait a second. Are there any plans to update the harder content for the Bonding runstone changes?
Because some dungeons (ex: Epic Spellplague or T9G) were balanced around teams with 3x R11/R12 Bonding Runestones.
So, you guys are going to take out atleast 100% of companion stats, and then nerf the uptime, and then keep the harder dungeons balanced around stats that players don't have?
GG.
Whoever predicted that Mod12 would be a redux of the Mod6 disaster was just half a mod shy of being correct.
All endgame content has been run using groups equipped for minimal iLvL and using only Augments and we have had zero problems. Players have it entirely wrong, as it stands if you have R12 Bondings, or even Rank10+ for that matter, currently in Mod12 and are having and kind of problem; it's you. Plain and simple. You are either doing something wrong or you've come to rely on the Bondings as a crutch and what's sad at that point is you're still failing.
To be honest this is actually the penultimate "Get Good" moment.
HAMSTER. You're running TONG with minimum ilvl and augments? No problems huh? Prove it. You're so full of HAMSTER.
cryptic you have got to be totally off your head doing this are you trying to kill your own game? BONDINGS AIN'T THE PROBLEM! it's the buffs from pallys and clerics that make everything over powered, put it this way I'm a bis gwf and with all my buffs and 3x rank 12 bondings my ibs hits for about 1.5 mill but with a full buff team in fbi my ibs can hit for 35/40 mill so you tell me whats op and needs to be fixed? it sure as hell isnt bondings. do you realize how much money REAL money people have put into there builds and how much its going to cost to fix there builds once you do this NERF? this will kill the game people are getting sick to death of your bait and switch tactics cryptic
> @vida44 said: > I see no issue with these changes. > > I'll finally be able to buy myself a car. > No money to the game = more money in real life. ================================================ This is very true. I may now be able to find time for friends, family, fishing, etc....(the list goes on and on).... Lol it may not be so bad after all
Bait and switch buddy, bait and switch...wait switch and bait? Does that mean they switch things and then make fun of us for continuing to buy their HAMSTER?
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I have (Since beta) spent thousands of real life $$ and million's of AD all while putting up with the constant nerfing of classes, refining, AD, profession's and dungeons etc, etc over the last 3 years.
I finally get my main (My AC/DC w/3 R12s on Con Artist companion which I spent 2 gold to acquire and 2 mil AD to bring to Legendary), to where I can grind all the new content and then I hear this utter HAMSTER of nerf bombing - Bonding stones ?
I for one will be officially done with this game should that occur. I WILL NOT spend any more money to redo something I have already had to redo. I will not re-grind to gain all that will be lost.
cryptic you have got to be totally off your head doing this are you trying to kill your own game? BONDINGS AIN'T THE PROBLEM! it's the buffs from pallys and clerics that make everything over powered, put it this way I'm a bis gwf and with all my buffs and 3x rank 12 bondings my ibs hits for about 1.5 mill but with a full buff team in fbi my ibs can hit for 35/40 mill so you tell me whats op and needs to be fixed? it sure as hell isnt bondings. do you realize how much money REAL money people have put into there builds and how much its going to cost to fix there builds once you do this NERF? this will kill the game people are getting sick to death of your switch and bait tactics cryptic
I agree that the issue with bondings is from power sharing.
Speaking as a 15.3k Pally, I would be all for a flat damage booster like ITF instead of power buffing & AoC. Flat boosters are predictable and limited. Power boosting leads to power builds - similar to the pre-nerf ITF which scaled on the GFs defence stat. GFs boosted DR to ridiculous levels to provide more buffs.
Give OPs and DCs fixed level dps buffs and keep bondings as they are - even rescaled so that you need r14 to reach the current r12 levels (or close to it).
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We shall see if you truly make these forums as a platform for the players voice to be heard and considered. Or if it is just a place to dump our concerned truisms, upon deaf ears.
Bondings should retain 100% uptime so companions actually mean jack
You need to tweak end game content regarding difficulty and loot tables to compensate for siginificantly increased clearing times us players will have. So, taking much longer to run FBI/MSP/TO9G to get a peridot/rank 8 runestone? Nice joke, between those horrible changes, horrible loot tables and new games coming, you will lose a lot for players, your greediness has reached yet a new level, devs.
- Unified RP system - not bad, sounds good on paper
- Making unified RP not account wide is HAMSTER. I'd rather prefer you to remove extra bag slot but make RP account wide like zen.
- Unified mark system - another "sounds good on paper", i like it
- No more 2xRP - HAMSTER, most of you will just punch me for saying this, but... i like this change too XD Yes, we all refining now when 2xRP, lowering RP needed and no 2xRP will remove that 2 months waiting period. I don't mind at all
- 2 tiers more for stones, etc. - now... i'm not sure here...
- Triple nerf to bondings - STOP, please, STOP HERE!!! Looks like you forgot Mod6. I mean, ok, bonding now are... a bit too op, (CAUSED BY YOU btw, by creating R12 in first place). I don't mind slight nerf to % stat they give us, but, adding AGAIN old CD is a bit too much. Not only that, you are boosting old runestones (good here, +1 for it) too, making bondings stones absolutely useless now!!!! I've only read first 3 pages, but ppl already mentioned that a simple augment will be better. BiS player will have "no prob", ehem, they will just buy new stuff and 2 days later they will have all BiS again, but ppl that have sold everything to boost their stats a bit with bondings, now can shove them where the sun don't shine because stat wise, a simple augment will provide more stats ALL THE TIME!!! The bondings are not a prob, power sharing is. Limit these powers instead of HAMSTER million investment in bondings. All BiS and whales happy: more difficult content, no new items to buy, just adapt and start avoiding red areas instead of standing on them. The rest of mortals will suffer EVEN MORE, but oh well.
If you still want to nerf bondings:
- leave % as is (make R14 be like old R12, giving 95%, if you want) and add 50% CD. This will make bondings, in long fights, give 295%/2=147,5% overall stat boost
- nerf % even more, but without any CD
- boost by at least FIFE TIMES the damage normal companions deal to make them at least of some value damage wise. Creating 300% soft cap makes debuffing ones even worse!
If still triple nerf (the third one is boosting eldritch stones to the state when bondings become worse than augment) just create a npc where we can exchange our million investment in new augment and R14 runestones.
Again, there are better ways to stop this power creep without HAMSTERING it all.
At least please post your video proof of completing endgame content (I assume T9G?) with minimal iLVL group with only augments equipped as you stated.
I can make the same claim without providing any proof: I soloed FBI with minimal iLvL with augment only and had zero problems
> I dont understand this change surely the most common sense thing to do would be to rework augment companions and change the other runestones so they're on par with bonding runestones?
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> What is the point nerfing stuff now this is a stupid decision! All you're doing is annoying people and making these people quit the game
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> They did it partly so they could increase the rank of enchantments - that means more refining, which means more wards - so more money.
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> They are not bothered about more stats. If they were, they wouldn't keep adding new sources of stats. They want players at 15-16k to have new things to spend money on. Thing is, even this has been done badly.
I dont mind them adding more ranks to enchantments in fact i think its good idea the main thing that bothers me is the bonding runestones i have spent alot of time upgrading these these things i have spent literally no money on this game and just constantly grinding refinement but now I've wasted all my time getting these upgraded.
Im on xbox by the way and I'm not looking forward to this at all such a big change when its not needed all that was needed was the other runestones being buffed and as a whole making augment conpanions on par with normal companions thats it.
- Reduce stats shared from bondigs and buf runestones to make both viable --> ok
- Reduce stats shared stats plus cut in half uptime of bonding --> BAD!, really really bad! Are you mad??
Just this announcement made a complete mess with the price of bondings, they've dropped it's price like crazy... And this whole change feels like another "BAM! I f*ck you because I can, turning all your effort into wasted time!" from the devs. It makes no sense, this will break the already fragile balance of this game.I really hope devs figure out a way of balancing bonding runestones that does not turn them into garbage, for their own sake too.
On top of that, an Augment gives raw stats, nothing more. It's also unaffected by buffs of any kind.
Bondings will still be superior but now they will be in line with how the stat gain should work instead of giving disgusting amounts far beyond what is even remotely necessary.
And before you say Bondings are required for this or that etc.
No. No they are not. Augments even poorly equipped do the job with zero issues even now. Hell I unequipped my Augment and all that happened is a slight effort boost was required. Whoop de freakin doo.
The game is easy, very little is challenging about it and with Bondings right now even that vanishes.
I see an enormous negative outcry from this proposed change to the bonding stones. If this change does not break the viability my characters as currently built then I will not be wildly upset about it in regards to my personal experience. However I am not certain that I would want to continue playing a game where the developers ignore or discount such a loud and concise outcry from their customers.
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2 words: Bulette Pup. Suddenly 3 defense slot augment! Wow didn't see that one coming did you?
I personally have spent an amount of real life money on this game somewhere in the high four figure mark as I am sure many others have. Part of that money has been spent on bondings/echantments/etc, other random items for my 14 toons, and the rest on trying to better our guild (ie boons). I understand that it is a "Free To Play" game and that nothing in the game is technically owned by us (characters, guilds, anything), be that as it may we as customers have stupidly spent a lot of cold hard cash on our accounts doing our part to keep the lights on at PWE and Cryptic.
Putting all personal feelings aside and looking at it purely from a business standpoint, pushing forth changes like this that will impact your top customers (paying) more than anyone else is not a good move and it may cause you to lose a lot more revenue than you stand to gain.
I'll finally be able to buy myself a car.
No money to the game = more money in real life.
(presumably) A few of their guys get together and work out a plan between themselves that (experience has taught us) always leads to a complete mess.
I've only ever seen them engage (pre-decision) with the players once - that was with the weapon enchantment changes. Isn't it funny how that went through with probably the least amount of fuss/negative feedback that we've ever seen.
God forbid they repeat a methodology that worked.
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Zen De Armadeon: OP
Zohar De Armadeon: TR
Chrion De Armadeon: SW
Gosti Big Belly: GWF
Barney McRustbucket: GF
Lt. Thackeray: HR
Lucius De Armadeon: BD
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And for most content we don't need them.
A couple days ago I was really proud of myself when I finally got the Curator Acheivement. Then someone in Legit told me to recheck the Achievements and lo and behold another acheivement showed up, restore each set and get them to legendary.
I really want to master this game, at least master what I want to master, but what's the point when instead of providing another goalpost to aim for, you teleport the player back. I don't feel like I'm progressing, I feel like I'm pushing a rock up a hill that I will never reach the top of.
For some their investment relies on real life money, for some, their time is their currency. If neither is worth investing what happens to the game?
You just killed them. Everything not giving continuous stats has always been unreliable and impossible to use (when you talk about min max).
Give them a 100% uptime but 45% stats for each bonding 12 to 14 (only the power would increase).
Example :
If you equip 3 adorable bites with 2 brutal 14 on each => 5013 Power and 4494 Crit
With 3 eldritch you get (i skip you the maths) : 8847.945 Power and 7931.91 Crit or 16779.855 total stats
With 2 eldritch and 1 empowered (which i found out to give the most stats) you get : 10589.63 Power and 6785.94 Crit or 17375.57 total stats
With 3 bondings at 45% you get : 11020.05 Power and 6066.9 Crit or 17086.95 total stats + pet bonus
So if you get a little bit less stats with Bondings than Eldritch but you get active bonus, it will be viable.
Diversity is the key, you should learn to stop overnerfing things.
a multi milion joke cant be worst than a 300k augmented companion!
> I see no issue with these changes.
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> I'll finally be able to buy myself a car.
> No money to the game = more money in real life.
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This is very true. I may now be able to find time for friends, family, fishing, etc....(the list goes on and on)....
Lol it may not be so bad after all
Morgrim Orcbane 16,530 CW
Bloodlust Barbie 15,646 OP Tank
I have (Since beta) spent thousands of real life $$ and million's of AD all while putting up with the constant nerfing of classes, refining, AD, profession's and dungeons etc, etc over the last 3 years.
I finally get my main (My AC/DC w/3 R12s on Con Artist companion which I spent 2 gold to acquire and 2 mil AD to bring to Legendary), to where I can grind all the new content and then I hear this utter HAMSTER of nerf bombing - Bonding stones ?
I for one will be officially done with this game should that occur. I WILL NOT spend any more money to redo something I have already had to redo. I will not re-grind to gain all that will be lost.
3 words come to mind Cryptic...
DONT DO IT!
Speaking as a 15.3k Pally, I would be all for a flat damage booster like ITF instead of power buffing & AoC. Flat boosters are predictable and limited. Power boosting leads to power builds - similar to the pre-nerf ITF which scaled on the GFs defence stat. GFs boosted DR to ridiculous levels to provide more buffs.
Give OPs and DCs fixed level dps buffs and keep bondings as they are - even rescaled so that you need r14 to reach the current r12 levels (or close to it).
Xael De Armadeon: DC
Xane De Armadeon: CW
Zen De Armadeon: OP
Zohar De Armadeon: TR
Chrion De Armadeon: SW
Gosti Big Belly: GWF
Barney McRustbucket: GF
Lt. Thackeray: HR
Lucius De Armadeon: BD
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