test content
Logo
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc
Forums > Home› Class Forums›
[XBOX] The future of the GWF?
trentbail21
Member Posts: 433 Arc User
Hello I am Trent the Barbarian a GWF currently playing on xbox one and I wanted to start a conversation about the possible future of our favorite class the GWF! Lately there have been whispers, comments on patch notes and some other developers saying that they want to do something with our class... personally I would like to change him into more of a BARBARIAN type character instead of a 2h weapon knight type class.
What do you think they should do with it? If you ask me they need to keep going on this path and pull the GF and GWF even further apart.. here are my suggestions that they might want to consider..
1. Do you think we do enough damage in PVP?
2. Could you move the relentless battlefury feat into the instigator tree? I think it would make more sense in that tree. Also possibly add something else to the capstone like increased rate of earning unstoppable or an attack speed increase while in unstoppable to it? Please consider this one carefully because both destroyer and sentinel have multiple things in their capstone.
3. Possibly make battlefury buff teammates attack speed by 10% when relentless battlefury feats are at 5/5?
4. Possible move unfettered strikes to instigator?
5. While im on the tangent of moving skills why is powerful challenge which is a feat that gives 15% bonus damage to marked targets in the sentinel tree and not somewhere else?
6. Give us a small immunity frame or 2 like the warlocks slide?
There are probably a ton of other fixes and suggestions you all probably have which is great! Could you discuss your ideas here in a respectful manner and help? We need to help the developers help us.
You know what they say... "You get the government you deserve!" Just think about this in the same light.
-Trent the Barbarian
What do you think they should do with it? If you ask me they need to keep going on this path and pull the GF and GWF even further apart.. here are my suggestions that they might want to consider..
1. Do you think we do enough damage in PVP?
2. Could you move the relentless battlefury feat into the instigator tree? I think it would make more sense in that tree. Also possibly add something else to the capstone like increased rate of earning unstoppable or an attack speed increase while in unstoppable to it? Please consider this one carefully because both destroyer and sentinel have multiple things in their capstone.
3. Possibly make battlefury buff teammates attack speed by 10% when relentless battlefury feats are at 5/5?
4. Possible move unfettered strikes to instigator?
5. While im on the tangent of moving skills why is powerful challenge which is a feat that gives 15% bonus damage to marked targets in the sentinel tree and not somewhere else?
6. Give us a small immunity frame or 2 like the warlocks slide?
There are probably a ton of other fixes and suggestions you all probably have which is great! Could you discuss your ideas here in a respectful manner and help? We need to help the developers help us.
You know what they say... "You get the government you deserve!" Just think about this in the same light.
-Trent the Barbarian
Find me in game if you want and send me a domination/ gaunt invite. If you are good and im not busy ill play with you. Im not an elitist ill play with almost anyone.
Post edited by trentbail21 on
0
Comments
Destroyer needs more dps but without battlefury and unfettered strike feats you would be extremely slow. Replace one of them with powerful challenge.
Sentinel needs to lose powerful challenge and give it to destroyer. In its place they should get a feat for more aggro or more base hp? Im not really sure what should go here.
A tanks job is, (mostly), to stand there getting hit. If your sprinting around enough for the damage reduction to matter for tanking somthing is seriously wrong. For that matter if your tanking and your not damage resistance capped from pure defence, somthing is wrong.
But yes, a lot of work is needed, currently far too much of our ability to deal damage is tied into 2 specific skills and too much of our ability to take a hit is tied into unstoppable. Both need work. As does the general usability of the rest of our trees.
https://github.com/nilsbrummond/Neverwinter-ACT-Plugin
Sprint and everything I have no doubt will be fixed in the rework for us.
Stay valiant my brothers and make sure you smash that RB/Tab
Guardian Fighter
TLO
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/1221446/the-future-of-the-gf/p1 Existing Problems Still In The Guardian Fighter
https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/neverwinter/#/discussion/comment/12984912m
Feat Changes I'd like to see in The Guardian Fighter
I think Destro is fine. They bring one thing to the table and that's lots and lots of DPS at a dangerous range.
And also, given how 75% of the game's population (and a majority of the high ilvl players) seem to be Destro GWFs, I don't know how Cryptic is going to balance this without a community uproar.
I also think that the "gain Determination from dealing damage" should apply to all paths, because let's face it: getting hit to activate your Unstoppable sucks and is unfeasable in current content. The difference would be that the Destro GWF gets their Unstoppable faster than the other two, which is befitting of the DPS path.
I do want Sentinel to be a tank class on par with the OP/GF, as well as the Instigator (which has never actually been a thing, lmao) to actually function as a half DPS/half buffer ala SS Renegade.
Maybe rename the class to Berserker Barbarian; the current class flows more closely to a Berseker or Barbarian than a GWF, IMO that is. Modify the feats a bit improve the class tanking ability and a few other tweaks here and there and I think the class would be greatly improved.
IMO, the next three classes that should get revamped are DC, GWF, and CW.
But, for me, whenever I take a peek into those zerg channels, sure enough, there's a good bit of high Ilvl GWFs there.
In most Tier1/2 dungeons, whoever does the most damage is the one who gets to the mobs the quickest.
And for GWF DPS: it's not "over" the top, but it is pretty good. Reminds me of fighting games, really, (x) character 2 stronk, needs nerf. People seem to forget that the good GWFs do good DPS because of their skill as a player and knowledge of how their class works.
We need a complete overhaul on Instigator and Sentinel path trees. Until we have more options I wouldn't claim we as a class have skilled players, just skilled readers.
if anything is done to weaken destroyer sm i'll respec 110% iv sent tank build/swap vorpal for feytouched. competition for groups is already tough enough as a dps with underpowered tanks and healers zone shouting they "need" 3x12 bonding, minimum ilvl dps
I would rofl if they do the same to the GWFs, something silly like "Daggers, Destroyer (class feat) and Destroyer's purpose get nerfed, GWF gets 10x weapon damage to compensate".
While I'm here, I'm suprised the devs don't change Reaping Strike into a blocking atwill (blocks 50-60% of incoming damage, multiplicative with DR). As bad as it is for taking an At-will slot, it might actually be a start to buff the Sentinel (and actually give Reaping Strike a use other than "sit in the powers tab and do nothing").
Funnily enough, Daring Shout is probably the best marking effect in the game, only "matched" by the GF's Tab mechanic (and the IBS Finisher, but that requires you to score a kill on something, which may not happen on all bosses).
Both give 20% effecitveness for the marker, 8% for the team, and don't disappear when you get hit.
The difference is that the GWF can mark multiple targets with DS (and gets DR to boot!), whereas the GF needs to mark each target individually (and only the most recently marked target gets the benefit of "Doesn't disappear when hit").
The marks technically exist together, but you only get the effectiveness from the one with the greatest debuff.
So if two GWFs use Daring Shout (for some reason), both GWFs get the 20% debuff from their own Daring Shout, but the team only gets the 8% mark from Daring Shout (marks are really weird like this and I don't know why the effectiveness changes depending on whether its your own mark or your teammates').
If you roll with a GF, you would only use Daring Shout if you really want that mark worth 20% effectiveness and can't live with the mark worth 8%. Or if your GF is lazy and doesn't know how to press Tab/slot in Enforced Threat (yes, I have seen this, and yes, I cry everytime I see this GF).
@rjc9000 @defiantone99
I've actually grouped with some super powered gf's and I was also wondering how their dps took a hit. idk if anybody plays on ps4 here, but there's a sm gf named MARS I couldn't top in paingiver no matter what. granted, he was about 300 ilvl higher than me with better artifacts our last pug in lostmauths, he was #1 over everyone. I wouldn't exactly be opposed to a nerf if it ment actually being better, gl with that wishful thinking though lol.
reaping strike is straight garbage in the context of how pve is handled and would be a great place to start, especially since fresh artifact weapons like to start off with that cube power, big troll job done there. honestly I'd be swapping spec because for one, I'm sure alot of people on here have every bis gear, enchant, mount/mount insigs, companions etc., but I don't and I can only take so much of a hit in my spec before I start looking like a support spec dps, except with weak(bf) or easily replaced(ds) buffs. Imagine running any dungeon using only ds, bf and hd.
for two, it would be to become competitive in pvp again, part of the reason for the feytouched. my prestige set has been collecting dust and I sort of wanted to try iv anyway since I realized how much they own me in pvp. I do well enough against most classes but I'd really be able to hold nodes with that switch and go head to head with other iv.
The other things they did with the GF was fixing encounter, at will and feats that were not working as intended, very common with a revamp. IMO, the current state of the GF is way better than what it was, from my PoV GF have more options.
GWF you basically have one paragon feat path to select, same with DC. Both of these classes need a full on revamp due to this.
I was trying to point out the comparison that maybe the devs would try to "balance" the GWF, only to make them much much better in the process.