lol with the changes to gfs in mod 10.5 even they can out dps a bis gwf by a long way and they are ment to be tanks, in most msva if you have a bis hr, sw,gf,cw,tr the gwf will be at the bottom of the damage table and iv ran over just over 300 msva and in a 4326k gwf with legendary relic weapons
*shrugs* The best GWFs I've seen consitently top the boards. And imo, GWF still has the best DPS of any class in the game, especially when put into the right hands. Destro GWF get the best weapon damage of all classes, the best level base, loads of damage bonuses, good DPS boosting feats, and fast attacks.
Whenever I run with WickedDuck, he consistently wipes the floor with everyone else's DPS. And he's only 3600-3700 at the moment.
This is including the likes of top tier players like Sume's HR, Freedom's CW, or Fernuu's SW. He even rekt other 4k GWFs, like Prokiller or Arte. He also rekts other high Ilvl Conqueror GFs, such as mine, Ork, or Bethel (well, admittedly, Bethel is always trying to sabotage Duck...).
The only ones I've seen who've matched Duck in Esvard where Snoo Snoo's GWF as well as an HR named Elkantar (if you're reading this man, don't kill me pls for my poor spelling).
@rjc9000 First of all, thanks for remembering my name lol. I am elkantar47 and u spelled it right, and here are my thoughts on gwf as a man who played all the classes, and seen all classes in BIS mode. I played with all the famous guys like freya as a GF, Sickan as HR, wickedduck, prokiller, Icydrake and lordkillington as Gwf, Fernu and Peach as Sw, and our beloved tester Sharp as CW. (I count dps considered classes)
Before I say anything else I also need to say that while there is an exploit on crit severity in the game and there s no real way to prove it, all ours theoretical talkings are just trash, but I ll write as if it doesnt exist in the game.
To be a fair comparaison, I need to say that I am not a bis HR, yet I am really close to being one. I lack 10% damage from 3 relic set, legendary mount ( lets say it is 2k power = 5% damage at its best), 3.5k power from guild boons, and 1 offense slot in my companion( lets assume it ll be a rank12 radiant and equal it to 5% more damage). So at its best, I lack 30% damage from a bis HR dps wise.
It is true that I passed wicked's gwf in msva by a 5-10% margin, but there have been times also that he passed me by 20% difference. The only reason I kept my damage on par with him was Careful Attack which was procced by possible one of the best 10 man pvers in the game. That s all. I ran fbi with wicked while I was archer and trapper. Both ended up him staying at 600 mil and me staying at 250-300. I ran with freya where he was at 800 mil and I was at 400( but this cant be a comparaison because he was fed by 3DC's exaltation). Most recently like and hour ago, I ran with prokiller, 2DC, 1Gf, prokiller and me. This time I was combat, and as far as I can tell, he wasnt getting buffed by exaltation, and the result was 700ish to 400ish on prokillers side. I am a very experienced HR that knows probably every aspect of HR, and I am a fast player with keyboard, as well as in movement speed in the game. I can keep up with all the gwfs and gfs on movement speed so there s not really a problem with them hitting first and getting all the damage. I also can count that I can keep up with any HR in the game dps wise, as long as I dont lag.
I can explain and write lots lots more( believe me lol) but there is currently only 2 classes that can keep up in damage, and those are GWF and GF. Not even that multiproccer Cw with new enchants, and the reason is not the self buffs, it is the high weapon damage, high base damage of the powers. We all know here that currently in this game in bis levels there s no cooldown, and u dont even have to wait for dailies anymore. So ANYTHING in the game is quite spammable. I would understand if IBS was a power with high cooldowns ( it is considerable low even without anybody around) but with current metas, Come on!
Lets come to another point, Gwf is probably the fastest class in the game with GF. I understand sure strike being a good spammable at will which is really good on boss fights, but that WMS is broken. I mean how can a class have thay much of a powerful At-will?( same with gf) Gwf can only( I mean it) and only spam WMS and surpass my damage in dps chart in FBI, SP, CN, Tiamat. ( maybe not in msva lol). Another problem is battle fury, with the tankiness of the GWF as a pure dps class ( as it stands right now), infinity stamina and infinite running only leds GWF to be a run around solo character in most dungeons, even in FBI which is probably the hardest dungeon( considering everfrost damage etc.). This is a problem imo.
My last arrow is the weapon damage unbalancy( I hope u understand it lol) and the freshly changed weapon enchantments. As being the fastest classes of the game GF and GWF are benefitting even more from those enchants. For instance, I deal most damage with combat spec with blades that have 1.1k maximum weapon damage, making me not to even think about anything other than vorpal or dread, while a GWF has 2.7k maximum weapon damage on bis weapons of the current game. That is nearly a 150% difference just from the beginning + having better self buffs + never being slower than another class in the game = even more favor and more diversity for Gwf damage.
Alright here I stop. I hope u can read this till the end lol, but I know a serious GWF would.
Edit: Fixing broken things for HR will only bring 10 - 20% more damage to HR Trapper, and even with these fixes, Trapper HR wont be able to keep up with combat HR.
You are not that good of an HR if you are here crying about GWF and GF doubling your damage. With a nerf wishlist it seems, just lulz. HR is way more OP than GWF. GF is OP for a tank, but is not gonna double HR DPS.
I dont want to say "Maybe you are not good enough of a GWF if u cant pass HR at dps." so I am not saying that. I come to you with so many examples and thoughts and this is your response to me. At this point I just need to remind you that I am not beaten by an HR, if this is how u want to defend your status with your pretty GWF in the game, and this is my last response to u. I hope players with ideas come respond me in this thread. Ty.
Edit: I might not be a good HR, that is totally possible, but ur psychologysm is just a general misleading GWF, no nerf to me one, if u want to say HR is overpowered, first go play the class and then come and say what power is overpowered in what situation.
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Whenever I run with WickedDuck, he consistently wipes the floor with everyone else's DPS. And he's only 3600-3700 at the moment.
This is including the likes of top tier players like Sume's HR, Freedom's CW, or Fernuu's SW. He even rekt other 4k GWFs, like Prokiller or Arte. He also rekts other high Ilvl Conqueror GFs, such as mine, Ork, or Bethel (well, admittedly, Bethel is always trying to sabotage Duck...).
The only ones I've seen who've matched Duck in Esvard where Snoo Snoo's GWF as well as an HR named Elkantar (if you're reading this man, don't kill me pls for my poor spelling).
(also devs, pls buff Instigator / rework Sentinel)
First of all, thanks for remembering my name lol. I am elkantar47 and u spelled it right, and here are my thoughts on gwf as a man who played all the classes, and seen all classes in BIS mode. I played with all the famous guys like freya as a GF, Sickan as HR, wickedduck, prokiller, Icydrake and lordkillington as Gwf, Fernu and Peach as Sw, and our beloved tester Sharp as CW. (I count dps considered classes)
Before I say anything else I also need to say that while there is an exploit on crit severity in the game and there s no real way to prove it, all ours theoretical talkings are just trash, but I ll write as if it doesnt exist in the game.
To be a fair comparaison, I need to say that I am not a bis HR, yet I am really close to being one. I lack 10% damage from 3 relic set, legendary mount ( lets say it is 2k power = 5% damage at its best), 3.5k power from guild boons, and 1 offense slot in my companion( lets assume it ll be a rank12 radiant and equal it to 5% more damage). So at its best, I lack 30% damage from a bis HR dps wise.
It is true that I passed wicked's gwf in msva by a 5-10% margin, but there have been times also that he passed me by 20% difference. The only reason I kept my damage on par with him was Careful Attack which was procced by possible one of the best 10 man pvers in the game. That s all. I ran fbi with wicked while I was archer and trapper. Both ended up him staying at 600 mil and me staying at 250-300. I ran with freya where he was at 800 mil and I was at 400( but this cant be a comparaison because he was fed by 3DC's exaltation). Most recently like and hour ago, I ran with prokiller, 2DC, 1Gf, prokiller and me. This time I was combat, and as far as I can tell, he wasnt getting buffed by exaltation, and the result was 700ish to 400ish on prokillers side. I am a very experienced HR that knows probably every aspect of HR, and I am a fast player with keyboard, as well as in movement speed in the game. I can keep up with all the gwfs and gfs on movement speed so there s not really a problem with them hitting first and getting all the damage. I also can count that I can keep up with any HR in the game dps wise, as long as I dont lag.
I can explain and write lots lots more( believe me lol) but there is currently only 2 classes that can keep up in damage, and those are GWF and GF. Not even that multiproccer Cw with new enchants, and the reason is not the self buffs, it is the high weapon damage, high base damage of the powers. We all know here that currently in this game in bis levels there s no cooldown, and u dont even have to wait for dailies anymore. So ANYTHING in the game is quite spammable. I would understand if IBS was a power with high cooldowns ( it is considerable low even without anybody around) but with current metas, Come on!
Lets come to another point, Gwf is probably the fastest class in the game with GF. I understand sure strike being a good spammable at will which is really good on boss fights, but that WMS is broken. I mean how can a class have thay much of a powerful At-will?( same with gf) Gwf can only( I mean it) and only spam WMS and surpass my damage in dps chart in FBI, SP, CN, Tiamat. ( maybe not in msva lol). Another problem is battle fury, with the tankiness of the GWF as a pure dps class ( as it stands right now), infinity stamina and infinite running only leds GWF to be a run around solo character in most dungeons, even in FBI which is probably the hardest dungeon( considering everfrost damage etc.). This is a problem imo.
My last arrow is the weapon damage unbalancy( I hope u understand it lol) and the freshly changed weapon enchantments. As being the fastest classes of the game GF and GWF are benefitting even more from those enchants. For instance, I deal most damage with combat spec with blades that have 1.1k maximum weapon damage, making me not to even think about anything other than vorpal or dread, while a GWF has 2.7k maximum weapon damage on bis weapons of the current game. That is nearly a 150% difference just from the beginning + having better self buffs + never being slower than another class in the game = even more favor and more diversity for Gwf damage.
Alright here I stop. I hope u can read this till the end lol, but I know a serious GWF would.
Edit: Fixing broken things for HR will only bring 10 - 20% more damage to HR Trapper, and even with these fixes, Trapper HR wont be able to keep up with combat HR.
I dont want to say "Maybe you are not good enough of a GWF if u cant pass HR at dps." so I am not saying that. I come to you with so many examples and thoughts and this is your response to me. At this point I just need to remind you that I am not beaten by an HR, if this is how u want to defend your status with your pretty GWF in the game, and this is my last response to u. I hope players with ideas come respond me in this thread. Ty.
Edit: I might not be a good HR, that is totally possible, but ur psychologysm is just a general misleading GWF, no nerf to me one, if u want to say HR is overpowered, first go play the class and then come and say what power is overpowered in what situation.