Can someone tell me, how many times do i have to make nDemo/eDemo to get +5 Brutality or +5 Rising Power?
I would like to know the number of the eDemo/nDemo runs i have already done.
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You'd be better off making a character sheet on paper(yep old school dd) write it on there that you have one. Ive run ndemo and epic probably 3 to 5 times a day for the last 6 months and don't even have +4 versions of a brutality or rising power. Ive only got 1+5 rising focus and it came from pom.
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tripsofthrymrMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,624Community Moderator
From what I understand, the chances are a lot better than they used to be but +5 rings are still intended to be extremely rare rewards.
The good news is, you can complete all the PVE content just fine without one (I know, I haven't gotten a single +5 drop).
As for PVP, well there are larger issues there than if you have a +5 ring or a +4 one (or more likely a ring better suited to a PVP build... I don't PVP anymore so not sure what BIS is for such builds).
Similar feeling here too. Frankly I'm beyond fed up/frustrated/disappointed in the way that the drops are. This is for me a huge turn off from the game. @tripsofthrymr, I appreciate your up beat approach but following the changes all I have recieved are a swath of +1 rings. On the numerous run I've seen no evidence nor heard of any drops to convince me that the changes are remotely effective.
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santralafaxMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,896Arc User
I outfitted my main and 2 alts with twisted sets and never saw a +5 ring of any type, let alone the one I wanted.
Can someone tell me, how many times do i have to make nDemo/eDemo to get +5 Brutality or +5 Rising Power?
I would like to know the number of the eDemo/nDemo runs i have already done.
The answer is pretty simple I think. You only need to run 1. That one will get you a +5 Brutality drop and a +5 Rising Power in the chest.
But beware. If you do get this run the game will crash, everyone's accounts will be deleted, earthquakes, floods, aliens, armageddon, ragnarok, judgment day...
On a more serious note, the question you asked can only be answered like this because the ways of the RNGesus are mysterious. (until China says they have to be revealed).
On a more serious note, the question you asked can only be answered like this because the ways of the RNGesus are mysterious. (until China says they have to be revealed).
Only in China... obviously Chinese law is not going to apply outside China, and while we may get to see the Chinese percentages on the lockboxes there is no guarantee that those percentages will be our percentages!
Anecdotally I have noticed a DROP in RIng value from Dwarven Throne [or I may be imagining it] I have got +3+4 in the past but now its always +1 [Evidence based on less than 20 runs being honest]
Put it this way I've been running cn, emo, demo, throne and pom everyday from the start of the mod, and I've had a total of 6 plus five rings drop in all that time, and all of them have been the wrong ones. The people I know who have got the right ones grinded for them seriously - like 50 runs a day seriously.
Ran my first eDemo in a long time this weekend(Actually ran about 15) and the very first run popped a +5 Ring for me! Wasn't a good one, but still a +5. In those 15 runs I seen 2 +5s pop. Mine and another person got a +5 defense.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,417Arc User
On a more serious note, the question you asked can only be answered like this because the ways of the RNGesus are mysterious. (until China says they have to be revealed).
Only in China... obviously Chinese law is not going to apply outside China, and while we may get to see the Chinese percentages on the lockboxes there is no guarantee that those percentages will be our percentages!
You won't see any unless the server is located in China. I could be wrong but I don't think there is a Chinese locale set up for this game for China.
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lantern22Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,111Arc User
edited January 2017
I saw someone get a +5 Brutality in Edemo last night - first time ever I've seen that. I seem to be getting more +4 rings (not from chest tho).
Your chance is now increased by 10% since the last patch so if you are reading how long it took people before which is basically everyone in the thread, just throw out those answers. Basically the answer now is run it and find out!
Your chance is now increased by 10% since the last patch so if you are reading how long it took people before which is basically everyone in the thread, just throw out those answers. Basically the answer now is run it and find out!
Last patch was the 19th so a lot of these comments are after the patch.
I've run enough edemo to equip my first 8 toons(one of each class) with twisted weapons. In all those runs I pulled 2 +5 rings. My third just popped this weekend on my first run. Not one of them was a ring of rising power or brutality.
The bitter pill to swallow here is that I need my +5 Brutality THEN need the +5 Sudden Precision which will be a whole new beast to tackle!!
A place to swap them would be nice however making them tradable would also help. I have 3 that I will never use, let me trade or sell them to someone who will use it!
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greywyndMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 7,153Arc User
Best I've seen since patch is a pair of +4 Ambush and Vanishing Presence. +4 Ring of Salvage. Both of them.
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lukejones77Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 282Arc User
Your chance is now increased by 10% since the last patch so if you are reading how long it took people before which is basically everyone in the thread, just throw out those answers. Basically the answer now is run it and find out!
No, I don't think so.
You're implying that my chances of a +5 ring have gone up from 0.00001% to 10.00001%? If that were really true, you wouldn't be seeing threads like this. I had a lot of keys saved up, and they're all gone, with drops that looked no better than before the key change - lots of +1/+1.
Even if a legendary ring drops finally for you, the odds are badly stacked against it being the treasured +5 brutality. Expect to get extremely likely many times, before you get what you actually want! Absolutely no question that the inability to peek in chests put us far further behind than what the "RNG improvement" gave us. I think the other trinket drops were added to help distract from that obvious truth. Whilst the RNG improvement might mean that a handful of winners has grown to be a few handfuls of winners, the basic reality is that the vast majority of continue to be losers.
But, there is GOOD news! Now, when you run out of keys, you know to stop trying, and go find something else do to. No more endless effort at eDemo runs for disappointing chest peeks!
Of course, that sensible logic is ultimately bad news if you apply it across the current landscape: - The last half of the campaign boons are ridiculously low value for their voninblood grind? - don't do it! - Farming FBI for new armor set, but it's terrible RNG + grind delivering poor value? - don't do it! - Farming Svardborg for weapon set superior marks, but it's terrible RNG + grind delivering poor value? - don't do it! - Logging when you have everything except these mod 10 bits - don't do it?!?!?!
Of course, that sensible logic is ultimately bad news if you apply it across the current landscape: - The last half of the campaign boons are ridiculously low value for their voninblood grind? - don't do it! - Farming FBI for new armor set, but it's terrible RNG + grind delivering poor value? - don't do it! - Farming Svardborg for weapon set superior marks, but it's terrible RNG + grind delivering poor value? - don't do it! - Logging when you have everything except these mod 10 bits - don't do it?!?!?!
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Seriously though, even with the changes to the drop rates it's a crapshoot.
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Ive run ndemo and epic probably 3 to 5 times a day for the last 6 months and don't even have +4 versions of a brutality or rising power.
Ive only got 1+5 rising focus and it came from pom.
The good news is, you can complete all the PVE content just fine without one (I know, I haven't gotten a single +5 drop).
As for PVP, well there are larger issues there than if you have a +5 ring or a +4 one (or more likely a ring better suited to a PVP build... I don't PVP anymore so not sure what BIS is for such builds).
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@tripsofthrymr, I appreciate your up beat approach but following the changes all I have recieved are a swath of +1 rings. On the numerous run I've seen no evidence nor heard of any drops to convince me that the changes are remotely effective.
But beware. If you do get this run the game will crash, everyone's accounts will be deleted, earthquakes, floods, aliens, armageddon, ragnarok, judgment day...
On a more serious note, the question you asked can only be answered like this because the ways of the RNGesus are mysterious. (until China says they have to be revealed).
I could be wrong but I don't think there is a Chinese locale set up for this game for China.
I've run enough edemo to equip my first 8 toons(one of each class) with twisted weapons. In all those runs I pulled 2 +5 rings. My third just popped this weekend on my first run. Not one of them was a ring of rising power or brutality.
The bitter pill to swallow here is that I need my +5 Brutality THEN need the +5 Sudden Precision which will be a whole new beast to tackle!!
A place to swap them would be nice however making them tradable would also help. I have 3 that I will never use, let me trade or sell them to someone who will use it!
You're implying that my chances of a +5 ring have gone up from 0.00001% to 10.00001%?
If that were really true, you wouldn't be seeing threads like this.
I had a lot of keys saved up, and they're all gone, with drops that looked no better than before the key change - lots of +1/+1.
Even if a legendary ring drops finally for you, the odds are badly stacked against it being the treasured +5 brutality. Expect to get extremely likely many times, before you get what you actually want!
Absolutely no question that the inability to peek in chests put us far further behind than what the "RNG improvement" gave us.
I think the other trinket drops were added to help distract from that obvious truth.
Whilst the RNG improvement might mean that a handful of winners has grown to be a few handfuls of winners, the basic reality is that the vast majority of continue to be losers.
But, there is GOOD news! Now, when you run out of keys, you know to stop trying, and go find something else do to.
No more endless effort at eDemo runs for disappointing chest peeks!
Of course, that sensible logic is ultimately bad news if you apply it across the current landscape:
- The last half of the campaign boons are ridiculously low value for their voninblood grind? - don't do it!
- Farming FBI for new armor set, but it's terrible RNG + grind delivering poor value? - don't do it!
- Farming Svardborg for weapon set superior marks, but it's terrible RNG + grind delivering poor value? - don't do it!
- Logging when you have everything except these mod 10 bits - don't do it?!?!?!