I`m not surprised they kicked you, you are openly bashing people who enjoy spending money on something they enjoy.
You make walls of text whining about this and that, if you spent half as much time in the game actually contributing as you do on here I imagine your Guild and yourself would be much further ahead lol
Well one of my passion is to talk about stuff i like but see flaws in and would love seeing fixed. And yes i critized pay to win players openly, but never bashed them or anything. All i said is during that time its encouraging bad business practices that to spend money into this game. We need to unite as gamers and show that we won't stay idly by and endure this. They need to give us back what we deserve and that shouldn't had been removed. And that if they want our money, they have to give something to us for it that is incentive to spend on. At the moment they don't deserve anything. And i said that even if the devs where cool, and listened to us, and that at that point i would be more than happy to drop some money into the game, even there, no game is worth multiple hunreds of $ like 500 or 1000 etc.
No matter how good the game is, no matter the attitude of the devs. Lets say for fun they put back the C.ward there, and at 75 TB as intended. Everybody is happy, everybody feel good, the market get back to regular pricing and we spend on zen. Lets say 20$ ... 30$ whatever... Thats all good. Will a companion still be overpriced at 10$, or a mount at 30? Absolutely, but if the zen can be transformed into diamonds and the price are adjusted to reflect normal pricings, then i guess its still encouring to even drop 10$ for a pack of 10 keys once in a while. My diamonds could be used to buy what i need and i could drop some money on 'extra fun stuff" like keys.
But even if it was like that in dreamland... the SH coffer is still a bottomless money hungry expension. Yes i know it should get better by mod9, i hope its really the case and not just false promises, but at the current rate... man does its way too expensive to upgrade... I stand by that and sign... SH is not a valid reason to drop 100 of $ into this game.
Edit : Oh and i found a new guild, actually i already planned for a while to go there, i had talk with the leader. I stayed with DL because i worked hard to build this guild(in my free to play possibilities of course) and it was my home. The leader attitude was really not good for a while and we lost many members cause of this, but i was always expecting it was a bad time that would just past. Nothing forced me to play with him after all. Like a week ago a friend of mine in the guild left cause of him, i was disapointed but the timing was not right to leave myself. First i was going out of town for a couple days, then in less than 2 weeks there is the beta of GOW4 releasing, so i won't play much NW. So i was thinking by then the dusk would have settle a bit and i could revaluate. But then my choice was made for me. After 4 months of being a member of the guild and working hard for it, i was kicked without any possibility to explain myself, with only a couple messages in my inbox, overnight while i was sleeping. Seriously some people do not know it seem what it is to solve problems by dialogue. Worst part is when you don't even know what you did wrong... If its because of those critics i made over pay to win players or "wallet warriors" , then well its my opinion, i don't encourage there actions, but does not mean i have anything personally against them or anything. Its like saying smoking cigarette is bad for your health, and it smell bad, and i don't like it and i highly recomand you don't do it. It does not mean i will stop being friends with people cause they decide to start smoking... lol
The most amusing point in this thread is the players doing HE farming for influence solo everyday. Theres no other way to say it but you're doing it wrong lol. Play with your guildies and encourage them to do their influence with you.
Well both you and the guy saying his guildies are never on at the same as him are both wrong. You for thinking people will always be avalaible to run them, or that we should wait til they are to do them, and him for having a guild that never play when he does... (change guild man... lol)
More or less there is a just middle... try to run them with people when possible but sometimes you have to do them solo.
I`m not surprised they kicked you, you are openly bashing people who enjoy spending money on something they enjoy.
You make walls of text whining about this and that, if you spent half as much time in the game actually contributing as you do on here I imagine your Guild and yourself would be much further ahead lol
Well one of my passion is to talk about stuff i like but see flaws in and would love seeing fixed. And yes i critized pay to win players openly, but never bashed them or anything. All i said is during that time its encouraging bad business practices that to spend money into this game. We need to unite as gamers and show that we won't stay idly by and endure this. They need to give us back what we deserve and that shouldn't had been removed. And that if they want our money, they have to give something to us for it that is incentive to spend on. At the moment they don't deserve anything. And i said that even if the devs where cool, and listened to us, and that at that point i would be more than happy to drop some money into the game, even there, no game is worth multiple hunreds of $ like 500 or 1000 etc.
No matter how good the game is, no matter the attitude of the devs. Lets say for fun they put back the C.ward there, and at 75 TB as intended. Everybody is happy, everybody feel good, the market get back to regular pricing and we spend on zen. Lets say 20$ ... 30$ whatever... Thats all good. Will a companion still be overpriced at 10$, or a mount at 30? Absolutely, but if the zen can be transformed into diamonds and the price are adjusted to reflect normal pricings, then i guess its still encouring to even drop 10$ for a pack of 10 keys once in a while. My diamonds could be used to buy what i need and i could drop some money on 'extra fun stuff" like keys.
But even if it was like that in dreamland... the SH coffer is still a bottomless money hungry expension. Yes i know it should get better by mod9, i hope its really the case and not just false promises, but at the current rate... man does its way too expensive to upgrade... I stand by that and sign... SH is not a valid reason to drop 100 of $ into this game.
Edit : Oh and i found a new guild, actually i already planned for a while to go there, i had talk with the leader. I stayed with DL because i worked hard to build this guild(in my free to play possibilities of course) and it was my home. The leader attitude was really not good for a while and we lost many members cause of this, but i was always expecting it was a bad time that would just past. Nothing forced me to play with him after all. Like a week ago a friend of mine in the guild left cause of him, i was disapointed but the timing was not right to leave myself. First i was going out of town for a couple days, then in less than 2 weeks there is the beta of GOW4 releasing, so i won't play much NW. So i was thinking by then the dusk would have settle a bit and i could revaluate. But then my choice was made for me. After 4 months of being a member of the guild and working hard for it, i was kicked without any possibility to explain myself, with only a couple messages in my inbox, overnight while i was sleeping. Seriously some people do not know it seem what it is to solve problems by dialogue. Worst part is when you don't even know what you did wrong... If its because of those critics i made over pay to win players or "wallet warriors" , then well its my opinion, i don't encourage there actions, but does not mean i have anything personally against them or anything. Its like saying smoking cigarette is bad for your health, and it smell bad, and i don't like it and i highly recomand you don't do it. It does not mean i will stop being friends with people cause they decide to start smoking... lol
Everyone is allowed to have views, the problem is all I see from you is how you hate Strongholds, how you hate Grinding, how you hate to repeat content, how you hate people who spend money on their hobby/passion, how you basically hate the bulk of this game... i.e Grinding and Strongholds.
Then you try to ram your heavily opinionated views down other people's throats... telling them to band together, to not spend money, to basically not play the game etc etc.
No, I for one enjoy playing NW, still am enjoying playing NW and will continue to do so however I please and I encourage people to spend money if they enjoy what they are doing. Just don't complain about it after they have got bored of said content.
Also just stop saying things are overpriced when everything is actually free in this game. Something is overpriced if that is the only way to get it, by paying for it, there is nothing like that in this game.
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Man, you definantly have a Libtard point of view. Who cares if some one spends money, hows that bad business, I work away from home for 3 weeks at a time, then home for 3 weeks. All my bills are paid, my family is well taken care of, and I have plenty of money in savings and retirement. I love playing NW on my days off, I like to relax and forget about work and NW does that for me. I enjoy playing with the people in my guild and not all of them have the money I do to spend, so I donate alot to coffer, yes it takes alot, but just like in our society, at least down south we take care of each other. Everyone meets their weekly donations, and influence, and donates what else they can, some of us do a little extra. I dont see why its called pay to win, WTF are you winning, its a game, a past time that instead of going to the store and spending $20 on a coke and a candy bar (which by the way seems like all you get with $20 from the store now lol) you can put in to what you like to do. Most people who complain are sittin in their mommas basement on their dead asses day after day and doin nothin with themselves (notice I said most, not all). I make alot of ad in game and throw money in, I donate alot, and we have a strong guild, with great boons, and people are happy and the gaming experience is much more enjoyable. One last thing Ive been in my guild for about 5 months, Ive donated millions and millions of ad, numerous SH packs, genies gifts, always do my influence, and Im just a rank2, and I don't say anything about it, I have libertarian outllook on things and know Im just doing what needs to be done to keep us strong and ask for nothing in return. I apologize for the liberal comment at the start but will not remove it, because it is true. So please stop complaining about NW, and if you cant then stop playing it, it is that simple.
I hope mod 9 addresses some of the problems for smaller guilds. - I think that was the point of this thread
People have a right to play solo, to be in a small guild, or be in a large guild. But, you also have to accept the limitations your choice may put on your progress. Want boons and better equipment - join a larger guild. Don't want to be bothered by having to play with others - stay solo and enjoy what you can. That's just the way the game is set up.
There's been a whole lotta talk about P2W in this thread. Having been associated with some of the participants in this thread for a long time - I know we have a number who have earned their way just with time and grinding. Clearly, there is not a need to spend money to enjoy the game and to progress your character. I would argue the game can be more fun for folks who do not progress too rapidly - maybe the same holds true for strongholds.
I also have nothing against players who spend cash on the game - it does help us all. Sure, I've been upset with PW before, and thought we should show them with our closed wallets. But things always seem to smooth out. I put some $ into the game, and will continue to do so while I'm still enjoying it. I appreciate all those still playing the game - whether they spend or not. It takes an active community to make the game fun.
@raymond00713 I appreciate you appreciating Shazza for appreciating us
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See its a time to be positive everyone. Server enhancement today, mod 9 in a couple weeks, potential class balances shortly after that. PW is doing alright with me.
Everyone is allowed to have views, the problem is all I see from you is how you hate Strongholds, how you hate Grinding, how you hate to repeat content, how you hate people who spend money on their hobby/passion, how you basically hate the bulk of this game... i.e Grinding and Strongholds.
Then you try to ram your heavily opinionated views down other people's throats... telling them to band together, to not spend money, to basically not play the game etc etc.
No, I for one enjoy playing NW, still am enjoying playing NW and will continue to do so however I please and I encourage people to spend money if they enjoy what they are doing. Just don't complain about it after they have got bored of said content.
Also just stop saying things are overpriced when everything is actually free in this game. Something is overpriced if that is the only way to get it, by paying for it, there is nothing like that in this game.
You see this is part of the problem, you (and others) spending money while we get mistreated by the devs end up in the devs thinking "well, they still spend money hahaha, why should we stop" and they will keep raising the prices, keep removing stuff from us. Imagine if real life was like that, you go to a restaurant you like but everything is double priced. You say oh well i love this food so you pay it and eat. Next week you go back and eveything has yet again risen up, you think the same thing, i can afford it so why not, you pay. Down the line the restaurant will keep rising its price cause there will be people like you still paying, and for every small people that can't afford it, there would be enough rich people to compensate. So in the end its not about can you afford it or not, its about should you stood up and protest against it?
In support to your fellow players in this game. But the attitude of me myself and 1, thats the way you choose. How am i wrong for proning unity and standing up against money hungry milking the cash cow attitude? Couple weeks ago or whenever the C.ward scandal happened, people seem to be willing to unite and boycott, but seem like since PWE didn't listen to fans and didn't "break", people did (break)
Then another point you say, video game is my passion too, does not mean becasue it is i should go on and waste my cash on overpriced stuff either... Music is also a passion i have, but if my favourite band release there next album at 120$ for 12 tracks, you can be sure i won't buy it... no matter how a fan i can be.
The point you seem to miss is while people spend cash and enjoy themselves, they hurt others.... but again, me myself and i attitude...
As for SH remember it was not in the game before when i started to play this game. Honestly i don't even understand why players fall for that and accept this. PWE must have seen there revenue jump astromicaly from 3000% since the release of this expension. Its literally a bottomless pit of cash droping for rewards that are only "character builds". Its not like buying the new cool mount cause it look awesome, or buying that new companion cause you think it look cool too. Its not like spending money on customizing your character to make him/her look like the ultimate beast, its simply behind the scene build up. If we could only customize SH and make it look awesome, that would be more of an incentive to drop money but it ain't even the case.
I love the core of NW, the gameplay, the world, the story, but i think instead of making us repeat the same task all the time they could make new ones. And instead of SH syphoning all our money, that money could go on cool upgrades and items for our characters. Plain and simple.
As for prices etc, well overpriced can be real money or in game money, if i have to grind 10 days and spend so many hours to get something i should get for 3 days of play, then yes it is overpriced. The zen market is designed in a way to buy stuff with real money, the convertion system is possible yes, but lately its been almost broken at the current rate. I shouldn't have to grind so many days for a basic item like a c.ward sorry
That is the last wall of text I am going to read of yours now as I`m pretty bored of it dude. I will just say when will you get it into your head that I have spent £5 on the game back last year sometime. I plan to spend a little in the future, not because I need anything, but in support of a game I have played every day for a whole year.
As for this : "I love the core of NW, the gameplay, the world, the story, but i think instead of making us repeat the same task all the time they could make new ones. And instead of SH syphoning all our money, that money could go on cool upgrades and items for our characters. Plain and simple."
What a joke... it is not syphoning any money if you don't spend it in the 1st place. Its just donating stuff you earn in game and most of the time don't even need anyway. In return you get cool upgrades in the form of boons and Guild Marks which then can get you cool items!!!!!
Once again you just assume you know someone, you are again ramming your heavily opinionated views down other peoples throats.
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Look, i didn't implied YOU personally spent tons of money, i was replying to the whole "i encourage people to drop money" mentality and the subject of people putting money into the game in general. I did put 20$ myself a while ago, and i always said i would had no problem droping a 10 or 20 again in the futur (from times to times) to a max of 100-120$ to encourage the devs and all. But then things got downhill ...and downhill... and dowhill... Now its only a matter of principle.
What a joke... it is not syphoning any money if you don't spend it in the 1st place. Its just donating stuff you earn in game and most of the time don't even need anyway. In return you get cool upgrades in the form of boons and Guild Marks which then can get you cool items!!!!!
Well if you only donate what you earn in game, you won't go far in that. GH8 or so require donations of 2 millions + ADs... talk about "stuff i don't need" huh... There is just 150 people max in a guild. Even if EVERYBODY donate 20K a week, and for the sake of the exemple that the guild is at max capacity, it mean 300 000 AD a week... wich make it around a month and a half if not more for 1 GH upgrade.. And here im not even sure i count the buildings etc, just what i heard is need when you reach that level of GH. And Gems ... another thing you desperatly need for your enchantements and artifacts, yet you have to donate a ton. When i was in DL they literaly sacrified rank 12 enchantements to donate to save some value. But think how much C.ward goes into 1 rank 12 !!!
So yeah... if nobody put money down the road for SH, in 3 years they will still be working to build it lol. And as i said before the boons are the guild's property, not yours and you can loose everything in the blink of an eye because an arrogant leader have all the power and total veto on everything.
In any case im myself am a bit tired of arguing here, we will never share the same opinion on this lol.
Yeah I'm done with this whole conversation at this point. You keep coming at everyone with the same stuff over and over again. You will not persuade anyone to quit, most will not change their opinions especially from someone who is continually bashing everyone else's opinion. No one follows a negative person.
Just want to ask and not trying to be an <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, why do you play this game? What's your reasons? You have bashed this gsme so hard over and over, countless threads etc, so what do you get out of it? I know that when I'm not enjoying myself in anything I would do for fun, I would give it a break or stop completely.
@xrawcarnage its pretty clear his argument holds no water. He is alluding to values which the coffer requires that are completely misguided. For example he said "think how much cward goes into rank1 to 12" that alone tells you he has never made a single r12 enchant on his own. No one uses cwards on them. His arbitrary AD values are the same when claiming that GH8 guilds require 2m. Most guilds don't even have a fee.
And also as you said idk why people who seem to hate NW continue to play it lol...
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Yeah I'm done with this whole conversation at this point. You keep coming at everyone with the same stuff over and over again. You will not persuade anyone to quit, most will not change their opinions especially from someone who is continually bashing everyone else's opinion. No one follows a negative person.
And you guys keep coming back with the same arguments as well. I won't make you change your mind, you won't make me change my mind, so yeah at this point its up to you if you feel to debate again on this. I am not bashing anybody opinion for sure, i am pointing out something important, a FACT, that if you(all the people putting money into the game) stop giving money to devs, they will have to adjust. Its a fact. You think they will close the game? Of course not, they will want to try new things to bring people back and get money again. Marketing 101 man. How to sell a product, discount it for a while to attrack people obviously.
Just want to ask and not trying to be an ****, why do you play this game? What's your reasons? You have bashed this gsme so hard over and over, countless threads etc, so what do you get out of it? I know that when I'm not enjoying myself in anything I would do for fun, I would give it a break or stop completely.
Already answered you before, so don't say i am the one coming with the same answers when you ask them lol. There is 2 reasons
1) I play the game for a while, i love its core as i said before. It used to be very good and it have been drag down by the devs on bad marketing decisions. I would love to see it goes back to its former shine. I am not one to throw the towel easily, i would try all i can before doing that. Yes i could just stop playing it and all, but its always sad to stop something cause of bad decisions and when you know it could be so much better. I always have the hope that they will get there senses back. The problem is the fanboys that approve everything, that there favourite devs etc can't do no wrong. Even when they HAMSTER they HAMSTER parfum ... lol. You know me, i have been a fan of GOW for a while, and altough some of us united and made the devs change things by the power of our opinions and voices, some people kept praising them and worshiping them even for the worst bizarre decisions possible. Just cause i guess they would eat anything rod and cliffy(back then) would make without even having a look at it.
2) Second reason is achievements, i still have the dragons to do and i know as long as there is mods in this game, there will be new achievements, i need to remain "geared enough" to get them..
For example he said "think how much cward goes into rank1 to 12" that alone tells you he has never made a single r12 enchant on his own. No one uses cwards on them. His arbitrary AD values are the same when claiming that GH8 guilds require 2m. Most guilds don't even have a fee.
Well who said "a fee" , i said the required donation by the coffer is 2m ... Now i could be wrong as its what i heard by a guild leader, it could be just GH, or including every building, i dunno, im not a guild leader myself, but in between all the upgrades i have no problem believing that every Guild Hall when your around that would require that much. And yes you are right on this thing, i am not to the point of having a rank 12. Most i got i think are 9s ready to upgrade to 10. But even there the chances are around 10%, so it may not be c.wards required but can take a bunch of pres, and i was assuming by rank 10-11 etc the chances would lower again. Plus you need regeant up to 10 also, so you have to make more 9s etc... In any case this is not facts but just what i tough, that does not change that a rank 12 is ressource consuming, cause hell if it wouldn't be i would have some right now...
Wow... so basically guild should ask every new member to loose tons of ADs just for joining? Get real man. I have no problem on if a member have to contribute while he is in with resonable ammount, thats normal, but certainly not before joining, without any guarenteed either. Take me for exemple, how many diamonds and ressources i invested in dread legion? Only to be booted over a divergence of opinions (mostly what i post here) that was not even ingame stuff, and because the leader having no considerations for anybody but himself and his little click. Seeing everybody else has walking-talking coffer fillers. Now imagine if i had to drop 500K when i joined that guild? That would be 500K more i would had loose. And what if now i had to pay again 500K, or 1 or 2m or some insane ammount some people charge up the door just to join a new one. That wouldn't make sense !!! Thanksfully there is still some human guild that consider people for what they are, human beings and not AD making machines.
I lost tons of AD, tons of ressources in that guild for stuff i can't use anymore, i think its only fair that upon joining a new guild i don't have to pay an insane ammount like if i never contributed to any guild. I think its a fair exchange that upon joining i may use what they already have, but will bring my contribution for the futur. Im sorry but the fees up front is a concept i will never understand. If there was guarenteed like "you can't be booted unless more than half the guild choose to do so" or upon leaving (volontarely or not) you either take back your deposit or got to keep the boons you eanred while there, then i could see it as ok. But for all you know you could join a guild, pay insane ammount, realize you don't get along with these peoples or there not what they say they where, and either have to leave or be booted and you loose everything. NO THANKS
Well if you only donate what you earn in game, you won't go far in that. GH8 or so require donations of 2 millions + ADs... talk about "stuff i don't need" huh... There is just 150 people max in a guild. Even if EVERYBODY donate 20K a week, and for the sake of the exemple that the guild is at max capacity, it mean 300 000 AD a week... wich make it around a month and a half if not more for 1 GH upgrade..
So yeah... if nobody put money down the road for SH, in 3 years they will still be working to build it lol.
With your math, no one will get anywhere in life at all. 150 people donating 20,000 ad a week is equivalent to 3,000,000 ad. That's more than the number you gave as an example and easily obtainable with that amount of people. But hey, let's change some numbers around so that 'smaller' guilds can have some nice stats to look at. Let's take 30 people. Let's have them donate 36,000 ad a week (max rough ad you can transfer into refined ad a day). That's 1,080,000 ad. That can not only be easily obtained, but requires nothing but already running dungeons and skirmishes (they give you diamonds for doing them). But hold on, there's more free rough ad flying around. Every time you do the weeklies for Sharandar/IWD/Dread Ring, you get more ad. Which you would be doing anyway for your own boons, getting those currencies to help with the SH requirements, and obtaining free rp to help you with making you character better. ALL of these things are done outside of SH, but help towards progress for the SH.
If you're going to bash 'the grind', at least bash it reasonably. It's a mmo, so obviously there is a grind, and 'apparently' people have different opinions on what a grind should and shouldn't be. Smaller guilds need to stop setting unrealistic goals for their progress. Some of them tend to think that because other guilds are already between 15-19. that they have no hope or can't get anywhere. The content wasn't made to be finished as fast as some of us have, but we found our ways to do so. The 'smaller' guilds are actually playing at the more intended rate and are stressing it for no reason. They're making SHs out to be the most important thing ever, but then complain about not being able to progress their character as much. Seems like a priority issue imo. Sure boons are helpful, but they aren't needed at all. The only time I can agree with them being needed is PvP, but PvP in this game has always been crappy and unbalanced, so I could personally care less about that aspect of it.
@destrowod you did not directly answer me at all. And tbh when I see a wall of text, I typically just skim cause you say the same <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> over and over. Your posts are like a bad itch that don't go away and gets worse. Everyone on these forums have read your countless rants saying the same thing over and over. You are so bull headed and only see your point of view. Numerous people have agreed with some of your points but the only ones you've agreed with, are people who say the game is a cash grab. Let me ask you this , if you creates a game , would you not want to make as much money as possible ? And don't even say that's pw's only objective and not to please the gamers. Cause obviously they do something right or no one would play it. Then you come in here blaming people who spend money and support their hobby like it's their fault you can't afford to get what you want. Continuously pointing fingers. It's sad.
Don't get me wrong , the Colgate deal is complete and utter bs, but adapt and move on. Again it's an mmo and meant to be grinded. It's lazy people who expect everything to be handed to them and come here bitching cause of blah blah all damn day.
To sum it up, if you gave to your guild to advance it, worked on making ad, and worked on your toons as much as you <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, you wouldn't have much to complain about. You would have gh 20 and all toons maxed
True my maths where pretty bad on that one lol, i always was terrible in math. I still think tough its a huge requirement, and i don't expect 150 people donating 20K a week... Sure some may compensate for the ones that can't, but its still a huge sum. All you say about earning ADs etc is also true, but i don't think its reasonable to expect anybody to donate this. When i roll on my double AD stockpile i refine 36K but when its all gone, i am usually not able to refine the max capacity. Today i swtiched all my refined ADs to my main character, i want to get my first bonding stone... it gave me 2.1 Million and the cheaper bonding stone is currently 2.3 So i was not even able to get one yet. And my double AD reserve to refine is actually maybe 4/6 done.... And yes i know i am aiming at a maxed rank 12, but i already have so much stuff to upgrade, im sure DRP will pass by and even with the uber tons of refinement i stockpiled, i will put it all and realize "wow... thats done already..." and still be left with stuff on the purple... lol
you did not directly answer me at all. And tbh when I see a wall of text, I typically just skim cause you say the same **** over and over.
Yes i did answered you and if you can't read more than a couple lines, then its not my problem, i am not one to post 2 lines answer. The fact i put lots of text proves i have points with valid explanations.
Let me ask you this , if you creates a game , would you not want to make as much money as possible ?
Yes but not my betraying my fans. Of course "normal" gaming making is different, you make a game and then you sell it 60$, and you hope it sell well. Sure now its a bit different with the overflow of DLCs but hell even there some peoples do have the balls to step up and tell them. Check on youtube for angry joe on Metro Last Light RANGER MODE. lol. Im all fine by making a great product and charging a price accordingly. I am NOT right with making a (great or not) product, removing chunks and still selling it as a complete thing charging again for the missing pieces. And in our case here, i am not ok with them hooking us on a fairly good game, and then changing all the rules and pricing down the road so its like "well if you still like it, now pay more".
Let me ask YOU a question... How many glitches that where against the players have they fix? Now how many glitches that where against them (thus making them loose money) have they fixed? Yup....
And to finish, yes its a MMO, you repeated this 20 times already, its not people its massively played online that it mean it should take me til i got grey hair to be on a par level ... And i spend maybe 15 min or 20 min a day max here, i play several hours, no if i didn't post here, my characters would not all be maxed... lol. And don't you find it ridiculous i would have the time to get to max prestige on both GOW and COD before having the adequate level for dungeoning in this game... I mean cmon...
Yes i know its another long post, but again im like that, i can't reply to stuff in a 3 line sentence and be vague...
Urgh for goodness sake... this is exactly what we have been trying to tell you, if you cannot donate 5k AD a day to the coffer WITH EASE then you have been doing things wrong. I am a free to play player and I donate 5k AD every day as well as other things. Once you have Boons you can donate the Currencies etc etc.
Most people in my Guild donate 5k AD a day and 400-500 Influence... its not hard, its not that time consuming and if you play smart you do not need to worry about Refining that 36k AD a day.
It is all easy if you PLAY THE GAME AND USE YOUR BRAIN.
You again go on about how you do not have enough AD to buy the item you want, which by the way you can just make yourself if you actually played the sodding game.
I have 3 Perfect Bondings on my Companion which I made myself, all my Rank 10 Runes made myself, Trans Negation I made myself (swapped to Elven Battle now), 4 Mythic Artefacts which I made myself, Legendary Belt and Necklace which I made myself... etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
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What I am trying to say in a roundabout way is if you just listened to peoples advice on here you would have a much easier time of things, instead of thinking you are always right and constantly complaining.
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And that is basically what I've been saying. Instead of insulting , pointing blame etc, absorb the advice. Quit trying to prove everyone wrong cause tbh, no one trully cares about all your negative vibes in here. If you spent an hour with anyone of us here and listened, you would learn efficient ways to make ad and advance your toon. I'm sure most here would help out if you would actually listen and try.
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No matter how good the game is, no matter the attitude of the devs. Lets say for fun they put back the C.ward there, and at 75 TB as intended. Everybody is happy, everybody feel good, the market get back to regular pricing and we spend on zen. Lets say 20$ ... 30$ whatever... Thats all good. Will a companion still be overpriced at 10$, or a mount at 30? Absolutely, but if the zen can be transformed into diamonds and the price are adjusted to reflect normal pricings, then i guess its still encouring to even drop 10$ for a pack of 10 keys once in a while. My diamonds could be used to buy what i need and i could drop some money on 'extra fun stuff" like keys.
But even if it was like that in dreamland... the SH coffer is still a bottomless money hungry expension. Yes i know it should get better by mod9, i hope its really the case and not just false promises, but at the current rate... man does its way too expensive to upgrade... I stand by that and sign... SH is not a valid reason to drop 100 of $ into this game.
Edit : Oh and i found a new guild, actually i already planned for a while to go there, i had talk with the leader. I stayed with DL because i worked hard to build this guild(in my free to play possibilities of course) and it was my home. The leader attitude was really not good for a while and we lost many members cause of this, but i was always expecting it was a bad time that would just past. Nothing forced me to play with him after all. Like a week ago a friend of mine in the guild left cause of him, i was disapointed but the timing was not right to leave myself. First i was going out of town for a couple days, then in less than 2 weeks there is the beta of GOW4 releasing, so i won't play much NW. So i was thinking by then the dusk would have settle a bit and i could revaluate. But then my choice was made for me. After 4 months of being a member of the guild and working hard for it, i was kicked without any possibility to explain myself, with only a couple messages in my inbox, overnight while i was sleeping. Seriously some people do not know it seem what it is to solve problems by dialogue. Worst part is when you don't even know what you did wrong... If its because of those critics i made over pay to win players or "wallet warriors" , then well its my opinion, i don't encourage there actions, but does not mean i have anything personally against them or anything. Its like saying smoking cigarette is bad for your health, and it smell bad, and i don't like it and i highly recomand you don't do it. It does not mean i will stop being friends with people cause they decide to start smoking... lol
More or less there is a just middle... try to run them with people when possible but sometimes you have to do them solo.
Then you try to ram your heavily opinionated views down other people's throats... telling them to band together, to not spend money, to basically not play the game etc etc.
No, I for one enjoy playing NW, still am enjoying playing NW and will continue to do so however I please and I encourage people to spend money if they enjoy what they are doing. Just don't complain about it after they have got bored of said content.
Also just stop saying things are overpriced when everything is actually free in this game. Something is overpriced if that is the only way to get it, by paying for it, there is nothing like that in this game.
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People have a right to play solo, to be in a small guild, or be in a large guild. But, you also have to accept the limitations your choice may put on your progress. Want boons and better equipment - join a larger guild. Don't want to be bothered by having to play with others - stay solo and enjoy what you can. That's just the way the game is set up.
There's been a whole lotta talk about P2W in this thread. Having been associated with some of the participants in this thread for a long time - I know we have a number who have earned their way just with time and grinding. Clearly, there is not a need to spend money to enjoy the game and to progress your character. I would argue the game can be more fun for folks who do not progress too rapidly - maybe the same holds true for strongholds.
I also have nothing against players who spend cash on the game - it does help us all. Sure, I've been upset with PW before, and thought we should show them with our closed wallets. But things always seem to smooth out. I put some $ into the game, and will continue to do so while I'm still enjoying it. I appreciate all those still playing the game - whether they spend or not. It takes an active community to make the game fun.
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In support to your fellow players in this game. But the attitude of me myself and 1, thats the way you choose. How am i wrong for proning unity and standing up against money hungry milking the cash cow attitude? Couple weeks ago or whenever the C.ward scandal happened, people seem to be willing to unite and boycott, but seem like since PWE didn't listen to fans and didn't "break", people did (break)
Then another point you say, video game is my passion too, does not mean becasue it is i should go on and waste my cash on overpriced stuff either... Music is also a passion i have, but if my favourite band release there next album at 120$ for 12 tracks, you can be sure i won't buy it... no matter how a fan i can be.
The point you seem to miss is while people spend cash and enjoy themselves, they hurt others.... but again, me myself and i attitude...
As for SH remember it was not in the game before when i started to play this game. Honestly i don't even understand why players fall for that and accept this. PWE must have seen there revenue jump astromicaly from 3000% since the release of this expension. Its literally a bottomless pit of cash droping for rewards that are only "character builds". Its not like buying the new cool mount cause it look awesome, or buying that new companion cause you think it look cool too. Its not like spending money on customizing your character to make him/her look like the ultimate beast, its simply behind the scene build up. If we could only customize SH and make it look awesome, that would be more of an incentive to drop money but it ain't even the case.
I love the core of NW, the gameplay, the world, the story, but i think instead of making us repeat the same task all the time they could make new ones. And instead of SH syphoning all our money, that money could go on cool upgrades and items for our characters. Plain and simple.
As for prices etc, well overpriced can be real money or in game money, if i have to grind 10 days and spend so many hours to get something i should get for 3 days of play, then yes it is overpriced. The zen market is designed in a way to buy stuff with real money, the convertion system is possible yes, but lately its been almost broken at the current rate. I shouldn't have to grind so many days for a basic item like a c.ward sorry
As for this : "I love the core of NW, the gameplay, the world, the story, but i think instead of making us repeat the same task all the time they could make new ones. And instead of SH syphoning all our money, that money could go on cool upgrades and items for our characters. Plain and simple."
What a joke... it is not syphoning any money if you don't spend it in the 1st place. Its just donating stuff you earn in game and most of the time don't even need anyway. In return you get cool upgrades in the form of boons and Guild Marks which then can get you cool items!!!!!
Once again you just assume you know someone, you are again ramming your heavily opinionated views down other peoples throats.
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So yeah... if nobody put money down the road for SH, in 3 years they will still be working to build it lol. And as i said before the boons are the guild's property, not yours and you can loose everything in the blink of an eye because an arrogant leader have all the power and total veto on everything.
In any case im myself am a bit tired of arguing here, we will never share the same opinion on this lol.
Just want to ask and not trying to be an <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, why do you play this game? What's your reasons? You have bashed this gsme so hard over and over, countless threads etc, so what do you get out of it? I know that when I'm not enjoying myself in anything I would do for fun, I would give it a break or stop completely.
And also as you said idk why people who seem to hate NW continue to play it lol...
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Every guild starts at the same point. In a year there will be many guilds at GH20 and fees probably won't be a thing anymore.
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1) I play the game for a while, i love its core as i said before. It used to be very good and it have been drag down by the devs on bad marketing decisions. I would love to see it goes back to its former shine. I am not one to throw the towel easily, i would try all i can before doing that. Yes i could just stop playing it and all, but its always sad to stop something cause of bad decisions and when you know it could be so much better. I always have the hope that they will get there senses back. The problem is the fanboys that approve everything, that there favourite devs etc can't do no wrong. Even when they HAMSTER they HAMSTER parfum ... lol. You know me, i have been a fan of GOW for a while, and altough some of us united and made the devs change things by the power of our opinions and voices, some people kept praising them and worshiping them even for the worst bizarre decisions possible. Just cause i guess they would eat anything rod and cliffy(back then) would make without even having a look at it.
2) Second reason is achievements, i still have the dragons to do and i know as long as there is mods in this game, there will be new achievements, i need to remain "geared enough" to get them.. Well who said "a fee" , i said the required donation by the coffer is 2m ... Now i could be wrong as its what i heard by a guild leader, it could be just GH, or including every building, i dunno, im not a guild leader myself, but in between all the upgrades i have no problem believing that every Guild Hall when your around that would require that much. And yes you are right on this thing, i am not to the point of having a rank 12. Most i got i think are 9s ready to upgrade to 10. But even there the chances are around 10%, so it may not be c.wards required but can take a bunch of pres, and i was assuming by rank 10-11 etc the chances would lower again. Plus you need regeant up to 10 also, so you have to make more 9s etc... In any case this is not facts but just what i tough, that does not change that a rank 12 is ressource consuming, cause hell if it wouldn't be i would have some right now...
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Wow... so basically guild should ask every new member to loose tons of ADs just for joining? Get real man. I have no problem on if a member have to contribute while he is in with resonable ammount, thats normal, but certainly not before joining, without any guarenteed either. Take me for exemple, how many diamonds and ressources i invested in dread legion? Only to be booted over a divergence of opinions (mostly what i post here) that was not even ingame stuff, and because the leader having no considerations for anybody but himself and his little click. Seeing everybody else has walking-talking coffer fillers. Now imagine if i had to drop 500K when i joined that guild? That would be 500K more i would had loose. And what if now i had to pay again 500K, or 1 or 2m or some insane ammount some people charge up the door just to join a new one. That wouldn't make sense !!! Thanksfully there is still some human guild that consider people for what they are, human beings and not AD making machines.
I lost tons of AD, tons of ressources in that guild for stuff i can't use anymore, i think its only fair that upon joining a new guild i don't have to pay an insane ammount like if i never contributed to any guild. I think its a fair exchange that upon joining i may use what they already have, but will bring my contribution for the futur. Im sorry but the fees up front is a concept i will never understand. If there was guarenteed like "you can't be booted unless more than half the guild choose to do so" or upon leaving (volontarely or not) you either take back your deposit or got to keep the boons you eanred while there, then i could see it as ok. But for all you know you could join a guild, pay insane ammount, realize you don't get along with these peoples or there not what they say they where, and either have to leave or be booted and you loose everything. NO THANKS
If you're going to bash 'the grind', at least bash it reasonably. It's a mmo, so obviously there is a grind, and 'apparently' people have different opinions on what a grind should and shouldn't be. Smaller guilds need to stop setting unrealistic goals for their progress. Some of them tend to think that because other guilds are already between 15-19. that they have no hope or can't get anywhere. The content wasn't made to be finished as fast as some of us have, but we found our ways to do so. The 'smaller' guilds are actually playing at the more intended rate and are stressing it for no reason. They're making SHs out to be the most important thing ever, but then complain about not being able to progress their character as much. Seems like a priority issue imo. Sure boons are helpful, but they aren't needed at all. The only time I can agree with them being needed is PvP, but PvP in this game has always been crappy and unbalanced, so I could personally care less about that aspect of it.
It's sad.
Don't get me wrong , the Colgate deal is complete and utter bs, but adapt and move on. Again it's an mmo and meant to be grinded. It's lazy people who expect everything to be handed to them and come here bitching cause of blah blah all damn day.
To sum it up, if you gave to your guild to advance it, worked on making ad, and worked on your toons as much as you <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>, you wouldn't have much to complain about. You would have gh 20 and all toons maxed
True my maths where pretty bad on that one lol, i always was terrible in math. I still think tough its a huge requirement, and i don't expect 150 people donating 20K a week... Sure some may compensate for the ones that can't, but its still a huge sum. All you say about earning ADs etc is also true, but i don't think its reasonable to expect anybody to donate this. When i roll on my double AD stockpile i refine 36K but when its all gone, i am usually not able to refine the max capacity. Today i swtiched all my refined ADs to my main character, i want to get my first bonding stone... it gave me 2.1 Million and the cheaper bonding stone is currently 2.3
@rawcarnage Yes i did answered you and if you can't read more than a couple lines, then its not my problem, i am not one to post 2 lines answer. The fact i put lots of text proves i have points with valid explanations. Yes but not my betraying my fans. Of course "normal" gaming making is different, you make a game and then you sell it 60$, and you hope it sell well. Sure now its a bit different with the overflow of DLCs but hell even there some peoples do have the balls to step up and tell them. Check on youtube for angry joe on Metro Last Light RANGER MODE. lol. Im all fine by making a great product and charging a price accordingly. I am NOT right with making a (great or not) product, removing chunks and still selling it as a complete thing charging again for the missing pieces. And in our case here, i am not ok with them hooking us on a fairly good game, and then changing all the rules and pricing down the road so its like "well if you still like it, now pay more".
Let me ask YOU a question... How many glitches that where against the players have they fix? Now how many glitches that where against them (thus making them loose money) have they fixed? Yup....
And to finish, yes its a MMO, you repeated this 20 times already, its not people its massively played online that it mean it should take me til i got grey hair to be on a par level ... And i spend maybe 15 min or 20 min a day max here, i play several hours, no if i didn't post here, my characters would not all be maxed... lol. And don't you find it ridiculous i would have the time to get to max prestige on both GOW and COD before having the adequate level for dungeoning in this game...
Yes i know its another long post, but again im like that, i can't reply to stuff in a 3 line sentence and be vague...
Most people in my Guild donate 5k AD a day and 400-500 Influence... its not hard, its not that time consuming and if you play smart you do not need to worry about Refining that 36k AD a day.
It is all easy if you PLAY THE GAME AND USE YOUR BRAIN.
You again go on about how you do not have enough AD to buy the item you want, which by the way you can just make yourself if you actually played the sodding game.
I have 3 Perfect Bondings on my Companion which I made myself, all my Rank 10 Runes made myself, Trans Negation I made myself (swapped to Elven Battle now), 4 Mythic Artefacts which I made myself, Legendary Belt and Necklace which I made myself... etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
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