Stronghold Overwhelmed

submechman

So, is it just me, or are guild strongholds geared for 200 man ultra spenders? it seems like the 30 casual people I have are screwed out of a decent boon or three just because the costs are so unatainable (i.e. 64,000 influence for lvl 3). My question is, is there any plan in the works to make this a more attainable achievement for the smaller guilds? Or are we doomed to grind it out for the next three years attempting to catch up to the super hardcores.

antwo91

I've heard a lot of speculation that arc is reworking the upgrading costs for the stronghold to make it easier to level up structures.

Hopefully this happens soon.

Hang in there! Our guild of around 40 players just got to rank 8, it took a while but we got our stable boon to rank 4 and our dragon flight. (its a lot of grinding and we got lucky with generous stronghold donations).

It is definitely a grind!

kreatyve

They have made some changes on PC with Maze Engine to help lessen the grind quite a bit. In my opinion, there are still some areas that can probably use some more work, but for the most part, it's a lot better now than it was prior to Maze Engine.

submechman

I just saw what went into the PC version, so I guess that is quite helpful, my biggest fight is influence though, we have such a scattered player base that its nigh impossible to get everyone to get influence xD thats the one thing I could ask a better way to get everything else, is somewhat achieveable, but damn 400 per person per day is a bit...sad

destrowod

The current design of SH is to simply make people pay pay pay... its the only viable solution. A 30 men guild can never hope to be competitive... Its designed for 150 different guys, with at least 2 characters each and throw in that a bunch of p2w players...

Now if the PC patch fix some stuff, thats good. Still does not change how much people have spend already for this... lol. Or how it broke apart some guilds (not everybody is ok with obssessive building and gringing for SH) but oh well... better late than never right?

armadeonx

64k influence is not hard for 30 people if they are all running it every day - it'll take 6 days. I run influence at least twice a day (multiple characters) and it only takes 15 minutes or so each so it's not really a burden. The bigger burden to my mind is enchantments, you get such a small number of points per rank 5 that it takes lots of stacks of them.

xrawcarnage

Yup what @armadeonx said. Runs multiple toons doing SH HE's. Even with just 40-50 player guilds, it's still easy and quick. Do big groups and just run em a couple times a day. Most people in this gsme who play a little more then causal have 2 or more toons to do it with. Hell, even a very low level can get influence just have higher levels carry you.

kclowe

Influence is not that bad with an active guild. To me its the gems and surplus in combination with the AD. If i put in 10 epic pieces of equipment and get 8100 towards surplus its also costing me roughly 66k upto 130k in rough AD that I'd be saving for 2x AD. So with AD donation its like your being hit twice. Then Gems are so hard to get and needed to upgrade your character stats. It hurts to give them to the coffer especially when you recieve so little for the stacks. All this adds up to astral Diamonds and millions of them per member.

Im in a large guild with hall 14 and its only getting tougher to hang on. As im getting burnt out on doing this stuff the guild is only requiring more from me. I for one cant wait for the update no matter how small the change.

armadeonx

^ this

submechman

I understand, I only have 37 people, with maybe 25 of which who are super active, and the grind is real, I don't require any donations and my friends have all ben very helpful, it just seems like without the P2W aspect we would stand half a chance, the boons are so attractive, but its the dragonflight armor we're aspiring to simply because then, people will been incentivized to donate, Idk, I like my little community I hate the need of having serious Cash shoppers supporting the backbone.

xrawcarnage

You dont need P2W players. You need more players plain and simple. I understand wanting just a core group of players but you need max to get anything in a guild. Set weekly requirements on donations and run set event times for dragons etc. Really if all players are in it to achieve max boons, then you should have 0 issues getting these boons. Everyone keeps bitching and saying you have to pay to achieve this, is completely wrong! Yes certain guilds probably do but I can tell you that reaching high GH does not require paying real money into it. We are at GH 14 and it's taken a team effort. Yes I'm sure we have had a couple people choose to spend money on SH boxes but for the most part, it's been all grinding. Tip-expand guild. Recruit and you will see. Set targets and requirements. Communicate with your guild members and make sure they all know what's the goal. Vote on boon structures. Run dragons and lots of them. Vouchers add alot if everyone is running dragons. It's quite easy just a grind which its meant to be.

indylol

@xrawcarnage

Finally someone who gets it. As leader of a GH17 guild, in progress to 18, the grind seems hard, but it's exactly as you said, a coordination and numbers game. My roster has had an active 140+ since November and I have to recruit aggressively to keep it up. As far as donation targets go, i see alot of guilds doing MANY things wrong, but the more resources they waste and misuse, the farther behind my guild they end up, making joining my guild more attractive to the higher end members of guilds who are slipping up. The only tip i will give to those looking to progress towards the end goal of GH20, i'll tell you now save resource vouchers and get as much mileage out of production plots as you can.

The rest is up to you to figure out

wdj40

destrowod said:

The current design of SH is to simply make people pay pay pay... its the only viable solution. A 30 men guild can never hope to be competitive... Its designed for 150 different guys, with at least 2 characters each and throw in that a bunch of p2w players...

Now if the PC patch fix some stuff, thats good. Still does not change how much people have spend already for this... lol. Or how it broke apart some guilds (not everybody is ok with obssessive building and gringing for SH) but oh well... better late than never right?

Oh my good lord... You don't HAVE to spend anything and people should really just stop saying that. Play the game for long enough like me and you can have almost anything in the game including donating lots of stuff to the coffer.

All you have to pay for in the long run is to speed things up... Just don't be impatient and want everything right now, just play the game and earn things over a long time.

wdj40

wdj40 said:

destrowod said:

The current design of SH is to simply make people pay pay pay... its the only viable solution. A 30 men guild can never hope to be competitive... Its designed for 150 different guys, with at least 2 characters each and throw in that a bunch of p2w players...

Now if the PC patch fix some stuff, thats good. Still does not change how much people have spend already for this... lol. Or how it broke apart some guilds (not everybody is ok with obssessive building and gringing for SH) but oh well... better late than never right?

Oh my good lord... You don't HAVE to spend anything and people should really just stop saying that. Play the game for long enough like me and you can have almost anything in the game including donating lots of stuff to the coffer.

All you have to pay for in the long run is to speed things up... Just don't be impatient and want everything right now, just play the game and earn things over a long time.

My bad, that post was way older than I thought it was

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wdj40 said:

destrowod said:

The current design of SH is to simply make people pay pay pay... its the only viable solution. A 30 men guild can never hope to be competitive... Its designed for 150 different guys, with at least 2 characters each and throw in that a bunch of p2w players...

Now if the PC patch fix some stuff, thats good. Still does not change how much people have spend already for this... lol. Or how it broke apart some guilds (not everybody is ok with obssessive building and gringing for SH) but oh well... better late than never right?

Oh my good lord... You don't HAVE to spend anything and people should really just stop saying that. Play the game for long enough like me and you can have almost anything in the game including donating lots of stuff to the coffer.

All you have to pay for in the long run is to speed things up... Just don't be impatient and want everything right now, just play the game and earn things over a long time.

Lol i play intensively since 8 months, and have started roughly end of march or beginning of april, not long after i got my X1. I think after 8 months of playing this game a lot i deserve some good stuff. And are you not part of asylum? A guild known to be P2W anyway... As for SH i persist and sign its just a money grab.

Its either you pay for it, or you have to waste precious ressources as that guy explained above.

The problem is, those small guild won't make it if they start to set requirements. Only reason bigger guild can manage requirements is because they have something to offer in exchange, people are attracked to them. Smaller 30 members guilds are mostly friendship guilds and requirements is not a thing for them.

Then for the guy that said his GH14 guild keep asking more and more, well i think that would be it for me... Only reason i can bare the current grind is because i was promised a break after GH13. So its like there is a light at the end of the tunnel lol. But if it was to lev 20... NO WAY lol. Boons are interesting sure but not on to the point of wasting my life on them.

My roster has had an active 140+ since November and I have to recruit aggressively to keep it up

And you see THIS is the major problem of SH. Guild used to be about friendship, having people to run with you, enjoy the game. Now its just about recruiting workers to fill that coffer. You are bound to loose a number of member a month cause 1 week off mean 1 week without donation from that guy wich seem too long for a bunch of guilds, exept if there is circonstances like traveling or illness(or if the guy in question is a high ranked member) And then you have other guys that will be attracked to other guilds cause they have more boons, or some leaving because there tired of the requirements and so on and on...

Guilds because of SH are nothing more than a mercenary group... Join to profitate from the boons and the guild use you to fill its coffer. Friendship and camaradery is now something consider "casual" wich is freaking ridiculous in an online game... People from my squad in GOW date back to GOW1 from over 9 years ago. Thats friendship and camaradery. I played so much with these guys i know exactly where they gonna be in the map when the round start.

In NW its like you start making friends in the guild and then boom... 2 weeks later there gone...

wdj40

theslotharmy#3268 said:

wdj40 said:

destrowod said:

The current design of SH is to simply make people pay pay pay... its the only viable solution. A 30 men guild can never hope to be competitive... Its designed for 150 different guys, with at least 2 characters each and throw in that a bunch of p2w players...

Now if the PC patch fix some stuff, thats good. Still does not change how much people have spend already for this... lol. Or how it broke apart some guilds (not everybody is ok with obssessive building and gringing for SH) but oh well... better late than never right?

All you have to pay for in the long run is to speed things up... Just don't be impatient and want everything right now, just play the game and earn things over a long time.

Play the game for nine years and tell me how you feel cause that's what I'd have to do to get anything good.

Asylum.
Anyways, I deleted that GF I made. I rekted asylum too hard with it.
SO now I am making a dc, prepare to get t-rekted soon. Maybe in 3 weeks.
The first one I made I actually beat alot of people from asylum without knowing it.
Now that Im better at da game, FEAR ME!!!!
[Unless krow is using his DC, he is the only one that can kill me. And that one over-over-geared GWF]

lol, says the player with no level 70's and no 70's pvp experience

wdj40

destrowod said:

wdj40 said:

destrowod said:

The current design of SH is to simply make people pay pay pay... its the only viable solution. A 30 men guild can never hope to be competitive... Its designed for 150 different guys, with at least 2 characters each and throw in that a bunch of p2w players...

Now if the PC patch fix some stuff, thats good. Still does not change how much people have spend already for this... lol. Or how it broke apart some guilds (not everybody is ok with obssessive building and gringing for SH) but oh well... better late than never right?

Oh my good lord... You don't HAVE to spend anything and people should really just stop saying that. Play the game for long enough like me and you can have almost anything in the game including donating lots of stuff to the coffer.

All you have to pay for in the long run is to speed things up... Just don't be impatient and want everything right now, just play the game and earn things over a long time.

Lol i play intensively since 8 months, and have started roughly end of march or beginning of april, not long after i got my X1. I think after 8 months of playing this game a lot i deserve some good stuff. And are you not part of asylum? A guild known to be P2W anyway... As for SH i persist and sign its just a money grab.

Its either you pay for it, or you have to waste precious ressources as that guy explained above.

The problem is, those small guild won't make it if they start to set requirements. Only reason bigger guild can manage requirements is because they have something to offer in exchange, people are attracked to them. Smaller 30 members guilds are mostly friendship guilds and requirements is not a thing for them.

Then for the guy that said his GH14 guild keep asking more and more, well i think that would be it for me... Only reason i can bare the current grind is because i was promised a break after GH13. So its like there is a light at the end of the tunnel lol. But if it was to lev 20... NO WAY lol. Boons are interesting sure but not on to the point of wasting my life on them.

My roster has had an active 140+ since November and I have to recruit aggressively to keep it up

And you see THIS is the major problem of SH. Guild used to be about friendship, having people to run with you, enjoy the game. Now its just about recruiting workers to fill that coffer. You are bound to loose a number of member a month cause 1 week off mean 1 week without donation from that guy wich seem too long for a bunch of guilds, exept if there is circonstances like traveling or illness(or if the guy in question is a high ranked member) And then you have other guys that will be attracked to other guilds cause they have more boons, or some leaving because there tired of the requirements and so on and on...

Guilds because of SH are nothing more than a mercenary group... Join to profitate from the boons and the guild use you to fill its coffer. Friendship and camaradery is now something consider "casual" wich is freaking ridiculous in an online game... People from my squad in GOW date back to GOW1 from over 9 years ago. Thats friendship and camaradery. I played so much with these guys i know exactly where they gonna be in the map when the round start.

In NW its like you start making friends in the guild and then boom... 2 weeks later there gone...

I wouldn`t know who is P2W to be honest and I don't really care or want to ask, I have only been with Asylum a couple of months and everyone there has been amazing to me, I`m so happy to have moved there.

For me its a pleasure to donate to the coffer and I get Guild Marks and boons in return. People who think its a chore probably should play something else. This whole game is a grind and its why I love it. I always donate 5k AD a day with whatever resources I can spare... I also pitch in with 500 or so Influence a day, mainly soloing the 15 man HE for rare drops.

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sundance777

@wdj40 if you are soloing the 15 man heroics something is a miss with the game....in more ways than one.

submechman

I've solo'd the ones in the Elemental zones on my 2.6k GWF but it wasn't fast, nor worthwhile

wdj40

sundance777 said:

@wdj40 if you are soloing the 15 man heroics something is a miss with the game....in more ways than one.

Why on Earth would you say that?

wdj40

theslotharmy#3268 said:

wdj40 said:

destrowod said:

wdj40 said:

destrowod said:

The current design of SH is to simply make people pay pay pay... its the only viable solution. A 30 men guild can never hope to be competitive... Its designed for 150 different guys, with at least 2 characters each and throw in that a bunch of p2w players...

Now if the PC patch fix some stuff, thats good. Still does not change how much people have spend already for this... lol. Or how it broke apart some guilds (not everybody is ok with obssessive building and gringing for SH) but oh well... better late than never right?

Oh my good lord... You don't HAVE to spend anything and people should really just stop saying that. Play the game for long enough like me and you can have almost anything in the game including donating lots of stuff to the coffer.

All you have to pay for in the long run is to speed things up... Just don't be impatient and want everything right now, just play the game and earn things over a long time.

Lol i play intensively since 8 months, and have started roughly end of march or beginning of april, not long after i got my X1. I think after 8 months of playing this game a lot i deserve some good stuff. And are you not part of asylum? A guild known to be P2W anyway... As for SH i persist and sign its just a money grab.

Its either you pay for it, or you have to waste precious ressources as that guy explained above.

The problem is, those small guild won't make it if they start to set requirements. Only reason bigger guild can manage requirements is because they have something to offer in exchange, people are attracked to them. Smaller 30 members guilds are mostly friendship guilds and requirements is not a thing for them.

Then for the guy that said his GH14 guild keep asking more and more, well i think that would be it for me... Only reason i can bare the current grind is because i was promised a break after GH13. So its like there is a light at the end of the tunnel lol. But if it was to lev 20... NO WAY lol. Boons are interesting sure but not on to the point of wasting my life on them.

My roster has had an active 140+ since November and I have to recruit aggressively to keep it up

And you see THIS is the major problem of SH. Guild used to be about friendship, having people to run with you, enjoy the game. Now its just about recruiting workers to fill that coffer. You are bound to loose a number of member a month cause 1 week off mean 1 week without donation from that guy wich seem too long for a bunch of guilds, exept if there is circonstances like traveling or illness(or if the guy in question is a high ranked member) And then you have other guys that will be attracked to other guilds cause they have more boons, or some leaving because there tired of the requirements and so on and on...

Guilds because of SH are nothing more than a mercenary group... Join to profitate from the boons and the guild use you to fill its coffer. Friendship and camaradery is now something consider "casual" wich is freaking ridiculous in an online game... People from my squad in GOW date back to GOW1 from over 9 years ago. Thats friendship and camaradery. I played so much with these guys i know exactly where they gonna be in the map when the round start.

In NW its like you start making friends in the guild and then boom... 2 weeks later there gone...

This whole game is a grind and its why I love it.

Give me what ever drugs you are using to make grinding fun.

[Yes, I grind at lv 60. Im on the path to getting 2 epic artifacts, and the other one is uncommon.]



It is an RPG, most RPG's I have ever played had grindy parts to get the best stuff... It is what RPG's are all about at the end of the day.

armadeonx

theslotharmy#3268 said:

wdj40 said:

theslotharmy#3268 said:

wdj40 said:

destrowod said:

The current design of SH is to simply make people pay pay pay... its the only viable solution. A 30 men guild can never hope to be competitive... Its designed for 150 different guys, with at least 2 characters each and throw in that a bunch of p2w players...

Now if the PC patch fix some stuff, thats good. Still does not change how much people have spend already for this... lol. Or how it broke apart some guilds (not everybody is ok with obssessive building and gringing for SH) but oh well... better late than never right?

All you have to pay for in the long run is to speed things up... Just don't be impatient and want everything right now, just play the game and earn things over a long time.

Play the game for nine years and tell me how you feel cause that's what I'd have to do to get anything good.

Asylum.
Anyways, I deleted that GF I made. I rekted asylum too hard with it.
SO now I am making a dc, prepare to get t-rekted soon. Maybe in 3 weeks.
The first one I made I actually beat alot of people from asylum without knowing it.
Now that Im better at da game, FEAR ME!!!!
[Unless krow is using his DC, he is the only one that can kill me. And that one over-over-geared GWF]

lol, says the player with no level 70's and no 70's pvp experience

Asylum does lv 60 pvp too.

My lv 70 pvp experience would obvious anyways.
I'd just get sealclubbed and quit the game.

Lol, you over-spec a pre 70 character & artificially keep it at pre-70 for as long as possible - I suspect the real reason you deleted your GF is because he got too close to L70 and you know you'd go back to being a small fish in the big pond.

I levelled a GWF to 70 in about 30 hours of game time (reached 70 yesterday), by this time I had 2 purple artifacts and 2 at 59, ready to upgrade, IL of 2,007 and I haven't finished the vigilance tasks yet (still 12 tasks away from getting to Spinward Rise...).

As I've said previously, most players spend maybe a couple of days at 60-70 and don't bother gearing for it. Your last statement shows you understand the true status of your characters ability to survive against properly geared players.

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wdj40 said:

I wouldn`t know who is P2W to be honest and I don't really care or want to ask, I have only been with Asylum a couple of months and everyone there has been amazing to me, I`m so happy to have moved there.

For me its a pleasure to donate to the coffer and I get Guild Marks and boons in return. People who think its a chore probably should play something else. This whole game is a grind and its why I love it. I always donate 5k AD a day with whatever resources I can spare... I also pitch in with 500 or so Influence a day, mainly soloing the 15 man HE for rare drops.

Well of course everybody is amazing to you, considering what you say after. Im not saying the mercenary type of guilds that exist now can't be good people, im just saying i miss developing a friendship with people that last months and years. There some new people in my guild since a month or so, if they quit/are booted for any reason, ill be very disapointed cause i get along well with them. Its not im closed to new members and meeting new peoples, i just want a core group that stay the same. A new member should ne an event, we should welcome him/her, play with them, make them feel welcomed. With the current SH form, i play with new people every week... !!! its harder to have a flowing friendship and feel like a "team". Imagine your the quarterback or the goalies in any of your favourite sport team, and every match there is new people in the team... That would be weird, confusing... Oh wait, its happening right now in montreal with the habs, everybody is injured and the roster keep changing, and guess whack.... they get destroy every match lol. There chemistry is not there...

As for the second part of your message. Well you say yourself you solo 15 man heroics, so donating stuff to the coffer is all thats left for you in the game, so if you still play it and still enjoy the game, it mean yeah you won't mind that kind of grinding. So if you feel like playing a quest in sharandar for the 999 time, good for you, thats all there is left in the game for you and maybe helping lower levels(what you should do too) Me and a bunch of people are still working on building our characters, i want to do dungeons to get AD to get the stuff i need. Doing the dailies slow me down, and yes the stone are helpfull not deying it, but at some point there is so much i can take of repeating the same quest over and over again. And when you breeze through them, sure its quicker wich is cool, but you don't even feel a challenge.

I boosted part of the Seriously 3.0 achievement in Gears of War 3, had no choice despite being an hardcore player cause some requirement where insane, even the die hard hardcore players could not meet them without boosting or having your consol idle boost during the night. And even tough i love GOW, it was a chore. I would rather be online killing people in TDM, the mode i enjoyed, even if done with the required 3000 games, then do another mode and kill bots for the sake of meeting the requirement...

Neverwinter is the same, the dungeons are the fun stuff, the skirmishe too, the dailies are just a nessessity to get the boon up til your done with them on your char. Wich i have no problem with... its only so much, but then by the time your done you must do them endlessly for the guild, this is the part i don't like. What if i want to make a new char? I won't get stuff for the guild while i play him/her and then look like someone who don't contribute... You see my problem? Its a problem that was not there before SH.

And finally, if i ever get to 4k and such, be the ultimate bad HAMSTER in the game and be done with all achievements etc, honstly either ill stop playing and wait til next content to get something new to do, wich is what people normally do with every game, they finish it, wait for DLC then buy it to play it again, OR ill make a new char to experience something different. (But it will pobably be option 1 cause at that point ill be tired of the game and i want badly to play something else)

The goal of the game, what is fun, is upping your char to see him progress and become stronger and stronger, and even tough SH does contribute with the boons in a way, i feel it slow too much my progression of that vs the rewards it gives at some time.

But oh well there is also the fact like i said that there is so much i can bare of the same quest... Honestly i would rather go and do some lower level quest again sometimes just for the sake of variety... Thats what i do when i do a valindra or malabog. Less rewards than lostmauth, more time consuming etc, BUT AT LEAST its something different to play, it break the monotony of it...

indylol

@destrowod

I'm not sure where you get this misconception about "mercenary" guilds as you call them. I can only speak for what i see within LGPG but i formed my guild in the same spirit as older guilds which i was a part of in WoW, where its many smaller cliques of players who come together for a larger goal, and when not being called upon for dragons in our case, they can be found in their own 5 mans and party chats doing pvp/pve and everyone does what they want in the most relaxed setting possible. Ofcourse there is drama and friction every now and then but thats normal in mmos. I personally find that Strongholds was a great addition to bring together alot of the best players I've played with over the last year and now I can say I've been in party chat and had a laugh with each one of them.

How or why guilds form is never as important as the actual experiences you have within the guild. Sure many will disagree because fees and donation requirements may seem prohibitive but thats our philosophy and if you don't agree with it, fortunately for you or anyone there are hundreds of other guilds for each person to find their own fit with.

Also another thing you seem to be overlooking, but strongholds isn't an endless mod. Once you hit 20, you're done. You don't have to farm dragons and fill the coffer anymore so there will always be plenty of time for alts and messing around.

wdj40

destrowod said:

wdj40 said:

I wouldn`t know who is P2W to be honest and I don't really care or want to ask, I have only been with Asylum a couple of months and everyone there has been amazing to me, I`m so happy to have moved there.

For me its a pleasure to donate to the coffer and I get Guild Marks and boons in return. People who think its a chore probably should play something else. This whole game is a grind and its why I love it. I always donate 5k AD a day with whatever resources I can spare... I also pitch in with 500 or so Influence a day, mainly soloing the 15 man HE for rare drops.

Well of course everybody is amazing to you, considering what you say after. Im not saying the mercenary type of guilds that exist now can't be good people, im just saying i miss developing a friendship with people that last months and years. There some new people in my guild since a month or so, if they quit/are booted for any reason, ill be very disapointed cause i get along well with them. Its not im closed to new members and meeting new peoples, i just want a core group that stay the same. A new member should ne an event, we should welcome him/her, play with them, make them feel welcomed. With the current SH form, i play with new people every week... !!! its harder to have a flowing friendship and feel like a "team". Imagine your the quarterback or the goalies in any of your favourite sport team, and every match there is new people in the team... That would be weird, confusing... Oh wait, its happening right now in montreal with the habs, everybody is injured and the roster keep changing, and guess whack.... they get destroy every match lol. There chemistry is not there...

As for the second part of your message. Well you say yourself you solo 15 man heroics, so donating stuff to the coffer is all thats left for you in the game, so if you still play it and still enjoy the game, it mean yeah you won't mind that kind of grinding. So if you feel like playing a quest in sharandar for the 999 time, good for you, thats all there is left in the game for you and maybe helping lower levels(what you should do too) Me and a bunch of people are still working on building our characters, i want to do dungeons to get AD to get the stuff i need. Doing the dailies slow me down, and yes the stone are helpfull not deying it, but at some point there is so much i can take of repeating the same quest over and over again. And when you breeze through them, sure its quicker wich is cool, but you don't even feel a challenge.

I boosted part of the Seriously 3.0 achievement in Gears of War 3, had no choice despite being an hardcore player cause some requirement where insane, even the die hard hardcore players could not meet them without boosting or having your consol idle boost during the night. And even tough i love GOW, it was a chore. I would rather be online killing people in TDM, the mode i enjoyed, even if done with the required 3000 games, then do another mode and kill bots for the sake of meeting the requirement...

Neverwinter is the same, the dungeons are the fun stuff, the skirmishe too, the dailies are just a nessessity to get the boon up til your done with them on your char. Wich i have no problem with... its only so much, but then by the time your done you must do them endlessly for the guild, this is the part i don't like. What if i want to make a new char? I won't get stuff for the guild while i play him/her and then look like someone who don't contribute... You see my problem? Its a problem that was not there before SH.

And finally, if i ever get to 4k and such, be the ultimate bad HAMSTER in the game and be done with all achievements etc, honstly either ill stop playing and wait til next content to get something new to do, wich is what people normally do with every game, they finish it, wait for DLC then buy it to play it again, OR ill make a new char to experience something different. (But it will pobably be option 1 cause at that point ill be tired of the game and i want badly to play something else)

The goal of the game, what is fun, is upping your char to see him progress and become stronger and stronger, and even tough SH does contribute with the boons in a way, i feel it slow too much my progression of that vs the rewards it gives at some time.

But oh well there is also the fact like i said that there is so much i can bare of the same quest... Honestly i would rather go and do some lower level quest again sometimes just for the sake of variety... Thats what i do when i do a valindra or malabog. Less rewards than lostmauth, more time consuming etc, BUT AT LEAST its something different to play, it break the monotony of it...

Wow you really think too hard

I`m in it for the fun, grinding for me is fun, being part of Asylum is fun... The only thing that sucks the life out of the fun part is the player themselves when they have enough. I personally have 8 characters with my main in Asylum, the rest are all just Guildless even though I have quite a few at Lv70 now.

The game is actually packed with content so if you want to make a new character just do it and play how you want to play. If you have friends in your Guild like you say you do I`m sure they would understand if you did something new for a little while if you explained that is what you are doing.

Everything gets sent over to my main and there is still a lot of stuff I need to level up etc

As I have all my boons etc I can easily donate resources to the coffer, people should not really donate Campaign resources until they have their boons anyway... A player can contribute more to a Guild when they are a better character than donating items early.

I`m not sure why you think the friendship is not there in the game still. I myself have friends in at least 6 other Guilds and I run with all sorts of people. I have people on my friends list from most of the top Guild's and speak to a fair few of them over chat.

I also feel Asylum have been great to me as when I moved there my mic was broken and still is, I can only communicate via chat until I get a new one sorted and most people make the effort to chat to me etc

Actually friends and people I have met are probably why I have played the game for so long and why I think grinding is still fun

destrowod

Indylol : LGPG is known to be the biggest mercenary guild there is. You want in? Well as long as your rich, welcome abord... lol. Totally pay to win. Just the buy in from the get go is ridiculous. I seen even people advertising from LGPG for doing achievements to people in echange of AD donations. Instead of helping for... the sake of helping? Not saying the guy getting the achievement shouldn't be gratefull and donate what he can, but thats a set up price, it can't be more mercenary than this. LOL.

and when not being called upon for dragons in our case, they can be found in their own 5 mans and party chats doing pvp/pve and everyone does what they want

Yes another thing i see more and more, people move in and out of guilds as kliks and get in there for the Boons. Most of them will play among themselves most of the time. Now sure im not saying its totally wrong. If i had 2-3 good old friends playing this game, i would tend to play more with them i guess and i would apreciate being in a larger guild to be able to call upon people to fill in groups. Guild Chat is much less chaotic than the enclave and people have more respect usually as guildmates are still more "intimate" than PUG.

But what im saying is i wish guilds would be more "intimate" in general. I was leader of the WOD on Phantasy Star Online back in the old days on dreamcast and game cube. We had overall a core member of 30 guys. They really didn't change much over the years. We did lost some as they left the game and there was i think 2-3 guys that quited at some point cause of tensions with other members. I booted ONE guy total and thats it, and its because he was cheating, and he gave us a bad name for the short time he was in the guild. I gave him a choice, stop cheating and stay or get booted and he said he would not stop so well...

But in any case we always had around 30 active members, everytime there was a new member it was something cool, like a big thing. We had our own forums and the atmosphere there was great, people chated more of other stuff than the actual game. We had people not playing the game anymore still on the forums and still WODs at heart. At some point the WOD even expended on PC games. It was a community, a family, everybody knew everybody, every week there was "Clan Rendez-vous" where everybody would play with everybody and change every hours. We had our rooms as WOD1, WOD2, WOD 3 etc in a lobby. Anyway im still talking to some of those peoples 15 years later...

With NW i seem to see less of that camaradery in general, people seem to care more about the game itself than the people behind it. I did made a few friends outside of the game, but there rare.

Maybe im just old school, traditional,

Another thing about SH is that it totally killed off the concept of wanting to start a new guild. First nobody want to join beginning guild anymore at that point, and the existing members do not want to loose there boons, So as you say kliks just hop and change guild and join another for using there boons and in exchange they pay there daily fees and task. They don't have the guild name tatooed on there chest (figuratively speaking).

As for buy in, i think there the most ridiculous thing i ever seen, feel like buying a friendship to me. I would rather join people that do want me for what i have to offer and not for my wallet... lol. Giving something before even having the chance to see if your gonna like it and enjoy those people... LOL.

and WDJ, well for having that much characters at lev 70 and all, we are clearly not in the same league. I don't know where you find the time to get all of this I have 2 characters at 70, busting my butt to up them and make them strong, and still there only 2.5 IS. Oh wait... well your wallet of course... lol.

Anyway we got very different phylosophy it seem me and you 2 guys.

And one final note, yeah SH may be at 20 max, but you never know if they don't decide to up it, and still 20 will take so much time... At GH14 the requirements are already insane, i don,t imagine what they are at 17-18 and on... lol

indylol

Anyone has been free to join LGPG since last year when we first created the guild. We had quite reasonable gearscore requirements in mod 4 and 5, in mod6 we were at 2800 itemlevel, then once strongholds launched we were STILL at 2800, it wasn't until December that we added the fee as we could already see how slowly everyone else was handling strongholds. The core of our guild doesn't really exist because I can't identify a single group that could represent the guild as a whole. There are easily 100 faces who have stuck around and many who have joined recently have nothing bad to say because everyone is recieved warmly as if they had been with us since early November when the journey began. Now that GH19 is days away were all very proud of the build time and we're eager to finish so we can return to playing purely for fun instead of accomplishing somthing even PC players said was unthinkable. We play to have fun in our own way and the outside opinion will always be negative but we continue to have fun and play the way we have since we first formed.