I am just glad I stopped playing after the leadership change. Just couldn't take the lies and bait and switch attitude this company does anymore. And this is just another example of them stealing money from every one that bought vip. Just like they did for all those that bought vip for the extra ad from leadership, of course, before they removed it that is. The sad part of it is, there really isn't to much wrong with the game, just the company behind the game. They can change the game, I get that. But it is the blatant lies about saying one thing and doing another. I have like 18 days of vip left and I won't even log in anymore. They took a pretty good game and ruined it. Good job people.
It all seems pretty simple to me, pretty much told us all to go to hell, GTFO and don't let the door hit ya on the way out. Don't have to tell me twice. Well the did, actually. Over and over since the big screwjob of Mod 6. Guess it's time to listen.
yea I wouldn't pay yall 10$ for a coal ward ever, you can go jump in a lake.....
Then don't. It's patently obvious by this point (judging by the abrupt notice, or lack thereof for some people, the timing of the plan, the lack of communication since then when it has become obvious that this wasn't going to die down over the weekend and burn itself out), that this was a short sighted cash-grab, nothing more. They refuse to listen to feedback. They refuse to talk to us (no offense meant to Sturm, who is, let's face it, more or less the sacrificial lamb they toss out time and again like some sort of meatshield. I can only hope that he gets paid enough to put up with that), and its clear that money 'Here and naaaoooww!1!" is all PWE is interested in.
So don't buy the wards. Bite the bullet. Live off what stockpiles you have. If their bank account is all they care about then that's where you hit them. Maybe then they'll get the message.
I had just paid $20 to have enough zen to purchase 3 more months of VIP, then the next day the big announcement came.
That being said, should I use the zen for VIP, or buy something else... a companion lets say?? What say you guys???? I mean, I've already spent the money, the last money they will ever get from me btw.
I've probably paid them $150 over the last 2+ years. Sad, so sad. This used to be a fun game, now it's like a job.
yea I wouldn't pay yall 10$ for a coal ward ever, you can go jump in a lake.....
Then don't. It's patently obvious by this point (judging by the abrupt notice, or lack thereof for some people, the timing of the plan, the lack of communication since then when it has become obvious that this wasn't going to die down over the weekend and burn itself out), that this was a short sighted cash-grab, nothing more. They refuse to listen to feedback. They refuse to talk to us (no offense meant to Sturm, who is, let's face it, more or less the sacrificial lamb they toss out time and again like some sort of meatshield. I can only hope that he gets paid enough to put up with that), and its clear that money 'Here and naaaoooww!1!" is all PWE is interested in.
So don't buy the wards. Bite the bullet. Live off what stockpiles you have. If their bank account is all they care about then that's where you hit them. Maybe then they'll get the message.
That's exactly the stance i am taking too.
Please fix Zhentarim Warlock companion's skill "Arcane Warping" to the originally intended "Arcane Boost" zhentarim-warlock-companion
yea I wouldn't pay yall 10$ for a coal ward ever, you can go jump in a lake.....
Then don't. It's patently obvious by this point (judging by the abrupt notice, or lack thereof for some people, the timing of the plan, the lack of communication since then when it has become obvious that this wasn't going to die down over the weekend and burn itself out), that this was a short sighted cash-grab, nothing more. They refuse to listen to feedback. They refuse to talk to us (no offense meant to Sturm, who is, let's face it, more or less the sacrificial lamb they toss out time and again like some sort of meatshield. I can only hope that he gets paid enough to put up with that), and its clear that money 'Here and naaaoooww!1!" is all PWE is interested in.
So don't buy the wards. Bite the bullet. Live off what stockpiles you have. If their bank account is all they care about then that's where you hit them. Maybe then they'll get the message.
That's exactly the stance i am taking too.
Its what many on Xbox are doing as well, not spending a dime, converting my AD to Zen as and when I feel I need any now, not even touching their free gifts I have 11 coal wards in my Mailbox that will sit there gathering dust. I no longer care if my Toons dont progress will play the content until I get bored then who knows?
I'd say that's a smart move, and I support it very much. It's gonna be a lot more balanced for starters, and the only ones gonna be upset are the gamblers. However it's sad for grinders too since they'll get those for a lot more ad. But VIP is for making the lvling up easier, not for taking advantages over other players, which is bad for everyone if it's to be encouraged. so I'm still gonna purchase VIP, and even more happily, as soon as I see a discount coming up......
It makes it MORE expensive and costly to make enchants, have you not seen what PC and Xbox prices have shot through the roof because of this cash grab decieving tradebar update?
So then there'll be less super duper enchanted players that intended to make everyone else feel inferior with their money.
I'd say that's a smart move, and I support it very much. It seems lots of people are not happy about it, but it's gonna be a lot more beneficial for starters, and the only ones REALLY gonna be upset are the lockbox gamblers, among which group also include lots of hackers and/or ad farming bots. However it's sad for grinders too since they'll get those for a lot more ad than before. But VIP is for making lvling up easier, not for taking advantages over other players, which is bad for everyone if it's to be encouraged. It will even up the loss atm in the long run; the people that are attracted to the game will find it more enjoyable to play within the system and many of them will still be willing to purchase VIP, which include myself. I'm still gonna purchase VIP, and even more happily...... as soon as I see a discount coming up.
lol .... what?
Just read the previous 26 pages of different views on this horrible mistake. And maybe you will get an idea on how this game works.
On a side note...
I would like to add that in no way ,employees should be blamed for this mistake. They are just workers here, payed to do a job. They sit there for " -- : -- " hours and do the best they can.
They do not run the show. The people in the " leadership " position do. So i would like to apologize to people that are " not in charge" , you know who you are, and ask for understanding. Some of us, are here a very long time. And even if we do not post any more, that does not mean we do not play this game and are not active players, trying to contribute to our community in-game. That is why, this " mistake " caught us off-guard. I am sure the free apology gift was their idea to appease us. Or at least to give something back.
You read my comment, all I want to say is that I don't have to apologize for my words in North America. I am not "leadership", nor I am "in charge" for your gaming experience. If you're angry, go for another game then. I am tired enough to see people being kicked and/all those blaming spams for not getting gold made by angry people like someone who thinks everyone owes him by making mistakes
If VIP isn't about taking advantage over other players, I suggest the removal of TB discounts as well; just so it'll be more in line with your thoughts. (@mramarodan and @l0th4ri0)
Do not forget removing the Zen = AD trade. Removing all the shiny stuff from the trade bars merchant.
Heck i would even go with removing the lockbox keys of the VIP buyers. Just to " scale it " I mean it is not like they paid any real money for it, right?
Oh oh, while we are at it. I say making all of the epic dungeons level of entry to at least 3.5 k. and PVP to at least 4k .
Also no more wards from invoking chests as well! And no pres. wards. Actually they should make it 1000 zen for that as well.
No mounts ingame, except Zen market and lockboxes.. No dyes can be bought for AD or bars, just Zen market.
Removing all of the VIP " privileges " as well! That is always a good move! Right?
.... remind me if i missed anything.
In case someone did not get it, it is sarcasm. </3</p>
Easy buddy, it's a game. Does it worth to grind 10 hrs a day for VIP that you can make by working for 1 or 2 hours in the real world? Only the bot hacks and ddos-ers are not gonna be able to enjoy anything anymore, not a normal, intelligence gamer with common sense.
I mean, it's gonna crate endless balance problems when everyone just wanna be more powerful and that will ruin everyone's gaming experience. It's impossible for everyone to have tir 12 enchants anyhow, so isn't it probably better off for more people with tir 5 so that at least we can enjoy some exciting dungeon runs that really requires teamwork as well as fair pvps that doesn't just rely on gs? What's so bad about it when you start to think about others who spend less time and money here than you do? Without them you're gonna be there getting bullied by more powerful players. Quit being sentimental for cash grab, well you're paying them for your time and money to get lockboxes anyways, not me.
I mean, it's gonna crate endless balance problems when everyone just wanna be more powerful and that will ruin everyone's gaming experience. It's impossible for everyone to have tir 12 enchants anyhow, so isn't it probably better off for more people with tir 5 so that at least we can enjoy some exciting dungeon runs that really requires teamwork as well as fair pvps that doesn't just rely on gs? What's so bad about it when you start to think about others who spend less time and money here than you do? Without them you're gonna be there getting bullied by more powerful players. Quit being sentimental for cash grab, well you're paying them for your time and money to get lockboxes anyways, not me.
What's bad is the fact that people's experiences got altered AFTER they had already invested in it. If you don't understand what that means, this conversation no longer has a purpose.
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I had just paid $20 to have enough zen to purchase 3 more months of VIP, then the next day the big announcement came.
That being said, should I use the zen for VIP, or buy something else... a companion lets say?? What say you guys???? I mean, I've already spent the money, the last money they will ever get from me btw.
I've probably paid them $150 over the last 2+ years. Sad, so sad. This used to be a fun game, now it's like a job.
> @unruly65 said: > So, I need some advice. > > I had just paid $20 to have enough zen to purchase 3 more months of VIP, then the next day the big announcement came.
Do a "charge-back" with your credit card and/or PayPal. Get your money back.
They failed to deliver what they sold you, so you have no obligation to pay them. And the only way to ultimately prevent this kind of thing, is if companies know they'll be held accountable.
Also, AD mining to make Zen is part of their business model -- /someone/ bought those Zen with $$.
(p.s. -- hope you see this before it gets censored, as many other such messages have been. ;-) )
If VIP isn't about taking advantage over other players, I suggest the removal of TB discounts as well; just so it'll be more in line with your thoughts. (@mramarodan and @l0th4ri0)
Do not forget removing the Zen = AD trade. Removing all the shiny stuff from the trade bars merchant.
Heck i would even go with removing the lockbox keys of the VIP buyers. Just to " scale it " I mean it is not like they paid any real money for it, right?
Oh oh, while we are at it. I say making all of the epic dungeons level of entry to at least 3.5 k. and PVP to at least 4k .
Also no more wards from invoking chests as well! And no pres. wards. Actually they should make it 1000 zen for that as well.
No mounts ingame, except Zen market and lockboxes.. No dyes can be bought for AD or bars, just Zen market.
Removing all of the VIP " privileges " as well! That is always a good move! Right?
.... remind me if i missed anything.
In case someone did not get it, it is sarcasm. </3</p>
Easy buddy, it's a game. Does it worth to grind 10 hrs a day for VIP that you can make by working for 1 or 2 hours in the real world? Only the bot hacks and ddos-ers are not gonna be able to enjoy anything anymore, not a normal, intelligence gamer with common sense.
I am playing this game a longer period of time. It is just a game for you. But for some other people it is still something they invested time and real money into. And it really does not matter if we are talking about virtual non existing customer / buyers contract. Or anything else similar to fair conduct . A common player grinds and refines 36k a day. He farms his HAMSTER off, and pays for VIP for benefits in order to help himself out. He gives currencies out in order to help his guild and grinds that stupid edemo so his guild mates can finish their campaign before the new one starts. That is a real, normal, intelligent player. Who now has no choice but to spend 500 000 on auction house to buy 1 ward.
Yes, can anyone post a screenshot what the Stormslinger post was about, as i am sure it was interesting, they are running on a "ignore it till it dies out" mode now. I would like to read what the reaction of the developer is to 27 pages (30+ if we count the deletions) of Feedback?
Please fix Zhentarim Warlock companion's skill "Arcane Warping" to the originally intended "Arcane Boost" zhentarim-warlock-companion
I mean, it's gonna crate endless balance problems when everyone just wanna be more powerful and that will ruin everyone's gaming experience. It's impossible for everyone to have tir 12 enchants anyhow, so isn't it probably better off for more people with tir 5 so that at least we can enjoy some exciting dungeon runs that really requires teamwork as well as fair pvps that doesn't just rely on gs? What's so bad about it when you start to think about others who spend less time and money here than you do? Without them you're gonna be there getting bullied by more powerful players. Quit being sentimental for cash grab, well you're paying them for your time and money to get lockboxes anyways, not me.
TRY Running A lvl70 Cragmire 2k Without higher level gear, most of my best toons gear is lvl 9-10 And I have played over a year, I have no further intrest in PVE the content is all poor recycled and lame, or reptative all I enjoyed was the Last PVP League, now with the pay to winners all having Lionsmaine/lvl 10-12 enchants I am totally outclassed unless I invest stupid money, in a lame duck.. Why bother better openworld/Sandbox games with superb balanced PVP were skill not cash wins Are coming out with a buy the game and buy the expansions policy, were the game shops sell glamour gear and none essentials (not items you must have to progress)... And if you go for a SUB they reward you, don't go back on the deal THEY PROMISED and make your expirance an unachievable impossabilty!
Wake up smell the caffine and do somthing better!
I havent played any of my TOONs for Neverwinter since this Nerf and now have no interest (I playing better games), unless I see a change in the fundamental Lie to and Exploite the players concept of Free to play pay to win it will gain no more time or cash from me, I just wish I had realised this was the case when the leadership Nerf happend.
THERE IS no Economey in a game but what the Dev's set! don't believe anything else!
THAT Economey is there to exploite as much as it can from the player, and these guys make millions! check the press.
A truly careing developer would not constantly Nerf the players, They can see who exploits from there own reporting mechanisums, so could ban such players rather than Nerf everyone.
No being more powerful dosnt create balance problems, infact My Paladin and Ranger "Carry" A lot of low GS characters in PVE Dungeons, what ruins it is lack of a challenge system for PVP that allows you to refuse a fight with higher level GS player in PVP, Other games do this why not Neverwinter, well to make it essential you upgrade to have a good experiance, read the warning for example if you go to a zone your character is to low for, you can only access the content with high level gear!
dude, i run ecc when at 2.1k or 2.2k before, couple times. they could nerf you in a way you don't notice just alter the mechanism of dr and ri so this is definately not for nerf but for balance. now ppl got pissed off bcuz they're not paying vip and/or enchanted keys to win anymore, if you hate that already, what's your problem then?
to host a game is not that easy as you think if you know anything about coding and btw original dev's prob all gone by now this is just run by successor programmers of the company. You think they can ban hackers that easily? prob not. reason is real hackers throw money into it and makes more out of it. are you gonna make this money up by grind for vip if they just ban them? No and that's why they push ppl to buy enchanted keys. Now if it's not gonna be like that anymore then that's a good sign at least. There's more about economy and politics that you need to learn, so wake up and go to school, no hard feelings.
I mean, it's gonna crate endless balance problems when everyone just wanna be more powerful and that will ruin everyone's gaming experience. It's impossible for everyone to have tir 12 enchants anyhow, so isn't it probably better off for more people with tir 5 so that at least we can enjoy some exciting dungeon runs that really requires teamwork as well as fair pvps that doesn't just rely on gs? What's so bad about it when you start to think about others who spend less time and money here than you do? Without them you're gonna be there getting bullied by more powerful players. Quit being sentimental for cash grab, well you're paying them for your time and money to get lockboxes anyways, not me.
TRY Running A lvl70 Cragmire 2k Without higher level gear, most of my best toons gear is lvl 9-10 And I have played over a year, I have no further intrest in PVE the content is all poor recycled and lame, or reptative all I enjoyed was the Last PVP League, now with the pay to winners all having Lionsmaine/lvl 10-12 enchants I am totally outclassed unless I invest stupid money, in a lame duck.. Why bother better openworld/Sandbox games with superb balanced PVP were skill not cash wins Are coming out with a buy the game and buy the expansions policy, were the game shops sell glamour gear and none essentials (not items you must have to progress)... And if you go for a SUB they reward you, don't go back on the deal THEY PROMISED and make your expirance an unachievable impossabilty!
Wake up smell the caffine and do somthing better!
I havent played any of my TOONs for Neverwinter since this Nerf and now have no interest (I playing better games), unless I see a change in the fundamental Lie to and Exploite the players concept of Free to play pay to win it will gain no more time or cash from me, I just wish I had realised this was the case when the leadership Nerf happend.
THERE IS no Economey in a game but what the Dev's set! don't believe anything else!
THAT Economey is there to exploite as much as it can from the player, and these guys make millions! check the press.
A truly careing developer would not constantly Nerf the players, They can see who exploits from there own reporting mechanisums, so could ban such players rather than Nerf everyone.
No being more powerful dosnt create balance problems, infact My Paladin and Ranger "Carry" A lot of low GS characters in PVE Dungeons, what ruins it is lack of a challenge system for PVP that allows you to refuse a fight with higher level GS player in PVP, Other games do this why not Neverwinter, well to make it essential you upgrade to have a good experiance, read the warning for example if you go to a zone your character is to low for, you can only access the content with high level gear!
dude, i run ecc when at 2.1k or 2.2k before, couple times. they could nerf you in a way you don't notice just alter the mechanism of dr and ri so this is definately not for nerf but for balance. now ppl got pissed off bcuz they're not paying vip and/or enchanted keys to win anymore, if you hate that already, what's your problem then?
to host a game is not that easy as you think if you know anything about coding and btw original dev's prob all gone by now this is just run by successor programmers of the company. You think they can ban hackers that easily? prob not. reason is real hackers throw money into it and makes more out of it. are you gonna make this money up by grind for vip if they just ban them? No and that's why they push ppl to buy enchanted keys. Now if it's not gonna be like that anymore then that's a good sign at least. There's more about economy and politics that you need to learn, so wake up and go to school, no hard feelings.
Spoiler Alert - Hosting is not Developing - before sending people to school learn the difference. Both cost money though.
Spoiler Alert 2 - The "real" hackers run absolutely free accounts with free items (inspect random mage in ashmadai lair). The only money they are putting into is internet connection/hardware.
Spoiler Alert 3 - Yes we already made that money up by grinding/buying the said VIP and changing the reward you get from VIP after you have invested in it is considered by some (*looks at 27 pages) unfair.
Spoiler Alert 4 - Banning bots is quite easy actually - it takes the time of a single individual - for example the guy/girl deleting posts here to watch the usual places bots use and simply ban them (no hard coding, no repetitive movement detection - just log into ashmadai lair whisper to the player and ban them if no response from the active player) - so a 2 day level-up will be destroyed by the admin with a few clicks and 2 min. observation - it is not worth to do for the developer cause of 2 things: a) Bots count as players, so game looks more played in metrics - else player base would probably drop by 50+% b) some people are suggesting that the company itself is running those bots as to get money from the game which is then not to be shared with developers/license holders (HASBRO/WOTC).
Please fix Zhentarim Warlock companion's skill "Arcane Warping" to the originally intended "Arcane Boost" zhentarim-warlock-companion
And for all those who say, just grind AD and convert to Zen... what happens when they disable the AD to Zen part of the exchange. They have done it before, they can do it again.
And for all those who say, just grind AD and convert to Zen... what happens when they disable the AD to Zen part of the exchange. They have done it before, they can do it again.
Simple, i won't renew VIP and buy my zenstore stuff from the Auction house. If i stay in the game at all that is.
Please fix Zhentarim Warlock companion's skill "Arcane Warping" to the originally intended "Arcane Boost" zhentarim-warlock-companion
I mean, it's gonna crate endless balance problems when everyone just wanna be more powerful and that will ruin everyone's gaming experience. It's impossible for everyone to have tir 12 enchants anyhow, so isn't it probably better off for more people with tir 5 so that at least we can enjoy some exciting dungeon runs that really requires teamwork as well as fair pvps that doesn't just rely on gs? What's so bad about it when you start to think about others who spend less time and money here than you do? Without them you're gonna be there getting bullied by more powerful players. Quit being sentimental for cash grab, well you're paying them for your time and money to get lockboxes anyways, not me.
TRY Running A lvl70 Cragmire 2k Without higher level gear, most of my best toons gear is lvl 9-10 And I have played over a year, I have no further intrest in PVE the content is all poor recycled and lame, or reptative all I enjoyed was the Last PVP League, now with the pay to winners all having Lionsmaine/lvl 10-12 enchants I am totally outclassed unless I invest stupid money, in a lame duck.. Why bother better openworld/Sandbox games with superb balanced PVP were skill not cash wins Are coming out with a buy the game and buy the expansions policy, were the game shops sell glamour gear and none essentials (not items you must have to progress)... And if you go for a SUB they reward you, don't go back on the deal THEY PROMISED and make your expirance an unachievable impossabilty!
Wake up smell the caffine and do somthing better!
I havent played any of my TOONs for Neverwinter since this Nerf and now have no interest (I playing better games), unless I see a change in the fundamental Lie to and Exploite the players concept of Free to play pay to win it will gain no more time or cash from me, I just wish I had realised this was the case when the leadership Nerf happend.
THERE IS no Economey in a game but what the Dev's set! don't believe anything else!
THAT Economey is there to exploite as much as it can from the player, and these guys make millions! check the press.
A truly careing developer would not constantly Nerf the players, They can see who exploits from there own reporting mechanisums, so could ban such players rather than Nerf everyone.
No being more powerful dosnt create balance problems, infact My Paladin and Ranger "Carry" A lot of low GS characters in PVE Dungeons, what ruins it is lack of a challenge system for PVP that allows you to refuse a fight with higher level GS player in PVP, Other games do this why not Neverwinter, well to make it essential you upgrade to have a good experiance, read the warning for example if you go to a zone your character is to low for, you can only access the content with high level gear!
dude, i run ecc when at 2.1k or 2.2k before, couple times. they could nerf you in a way you don't notice just alter the mechanism of dr and ri so this is definately not for nerf but for balance. now ppl got pissed off bcuz they're not paying vip and/or enchanted keys to win anymore, if you hate that already, what's your problem then?
to host a game is not that easy as you think if you know anything about coding and btw original dev's prob all gone by now this is just run by successor programmers of the company. You think they can ban hackers that easily? prob not. reason is real hackers throw money into it and makes more out of it. are you gonna make this money up by grind for vip if they just ban them? No and that's why they push ppl to buy enchanted keys. Now if it's not gonna be like that anymore then that's a good sign at least. There's more about economy and politics that you need to learn, so wake up and go to school, no hard feelings.
I know plenty about coding having Deved PC Game addons and mods, Cgi and Game models and been coding since the 1970s etc etc etc, both my sons too have Been studying for Games/Programing/coding Degrees, Hosting a game is easy with the right skill group in your Dev team and a decent Server, whats not easy is getting honesty out of a Dishonest profit model, operated by dishonest people..
Free play like this IS Pay to win and is just a minimal effort cash cow for the Developer/Hoster, I have friends who host online games free using models I made free.. I could have made millions, but gave what I created to the Comunity I am involved with, not everyones like that I know, but a profit margin dosn't have to rip off the honest player as is happening here Imho.
Putting lower cost Coalescents in the T-bar shop and offering Vip to get T-Bars cheapely was a Lure A Marketing ploy to hook more people Most of whom will accept the change back to Zen only Coalescents, never question, rarely use forums and are easy to cheat.
Part of the Vip deal IS Enchanted keys, you get T-bars ergo you could get coalescents to use on upgrades, this reduces the $ sales of 1000zen cost coalescents, why buy them if you can get 2-3 a month with luck for 840 zen (1 month vip bought with 15% discount voucher), I was getting 150-230 T bars a month from Vip daily keys all were used for upgrading my gear.
No you drop the T-bar version because your loosing $20 a month profit in theory, and such boosts are pure profit for the Host/Developer and I can Guarantee their Zen sales wer hit to hard by the 75 T-bar Coalescent, the other fact is cheap wards allow fast character development so people spend less because their toons max out faster, whos going to spend money on a max GS Toon !, their "Economy" is all about keeping you spending, a game that needs upto $1800 to max one toon is a rip-off, its you who need to go to school and do the math (no offence)
On the other hand, making things cheaper would make it easier to run alts. They wouldn't spend that money upgrading an already near max character, instead they'd spend Zen to grab another few character slots and start leveling up a Paladin, Warlock, whatever the next class happens to be, etc. and all the gear they need for that toon.
> @aboon#1086 said: > > @unruly65 said: > > So, I need some advice. > > > > I had just paid $20 to have enough zen to purchase 3 more months of VIP, then the next day the big announcement came. > > Do a "charge-back" with your credit card and/or PayPal. Get your money back. >
This is funny: Someone replied to my message, calling me an "idiot" for suggesting a charge-back because they'll ban your account. Cryptic censored *that* message but not mine! Ha.
Anyway, I'd say: 1) If they're being dishonest, who cares if they ban your account? 2) I've heard (but don't have references to) stories where they haven't banned the accounts -- and really, if there's a chance a user will still spend more money(*) but not otherwise create disruption, why would they? I don't have direct knowledge either way, though, so caveat emptor….
(*)… and all these people saying, "I'm going to play out my VIP and then quit!" Uh, yeah… in 3 weeks or 3 months when your VIP is gone, you'll have adjusted to the game as it is and your anger over this move will be forgotten…. and so you'll be inclined to spend more $$/Zen/AD at that point anyway… Not that I blame anyone for doing this, but Crypic is surely quite literally banking on short human memories….
tbh, though… I think it's just going to come down to coal wards being too expensive to make the game enjoyable now….
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So don't buy the wards. Bite the bullet. Live off what stockpiles you have. If their bank account is all they care about then that's where you hit them. Maybe then they'll get the message.
I had just paid $20 to have enough zen to purchase 3 more months of VIP, then the next day the big announcement came.
That being said, should I use the zen for VIP, or buy something else... a companion lets say?? What say you guys???? I mean, I've already spent the money, the last money they will ever get from me btw.
I've probably paid them $150 over the last 2+ years. Sad, so sad. This used to be a fun game, now it's like a job.
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Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
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I no longer care if my Toons dont progress will play the content until I get bored then who knows?
So then there'll be less super duper enchanted players that intended to make everyone else feel inferior with their money.
> So, I need some advice.
>
> I had just paid $20 to have enough zen to purchase 3 more months of VIP, then the next day the big announcement came.
Do a "charge-back" with your credit card and/or PayPal. Get your money back.
They failed to deliver what they sold you, so you have no obligation to pay them. And the only way to ultimately prevent this kind of thing, is if companies know they'll be held accountable.
Also, AD mining to make Zen is part of their business model -- /someone/ bought those Zen with $$.
(p.s. -- hope you see this before it gets censored, as many other such messages have been. ;-) )
> .. converting my AD to Zen ...
Remember, AD mining to make Zen is part of their business model -- /someone/ bought those Zen with $$.
It is just a game for you. But for some other people it is still something they invested time and real money into. And it really does not matter if we are talking about virtual non existing customer / buyers contract. Or anything else similar to fair conduct .
A common player grinds and refines 36k a day. He farms his HAMSTER off, and pays for VIP for benefits in order to help himself out. He gives currencies out in order to help his guild and grinds that stupid edemo so his guild mates can finish their campaign before the new one starts. That is a real, normal, intelligent player. Who now has no choice but to spend 500 000 on auction house to buy 1 ward.
I n any case , it does not matter.
zhentarim-warlock-companion
Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
plague-fire-weapon-enchant-r11-vs-r12
to host a game is not that easy as you think if you know anything about coding and btw original dev's prob all gone by now this is just run by successor programmers of the company. You think they can ban hackers that easily? prob not. reason is real hackers throw money into it and makes more out of it. are you gonna make this money up by grind for vip if they just ban them? No and that's why they push ppl to buy enchanted keys. Now if it's not gonna be like that anymore then that's a good sign at least. There's more about economy and politics that you need to learn, so wake up and go to school, no hard feelings.
Spoiler Alert 2 - The "real" hackers run absolutely free accounts with free items (inspect random mage in ashmadai lair). The only money they are putting into is internet connection/hardware.
Spoiler Alert 3 - Yes we already made that money up by grinding/buying the said VIP and changing the reward you get from VIP after you have invested in it is considered by some (*looks at 27 pages) unfair.
Spoiler Alert 4 - Banning bots is quite easy actually - it takes the time of a single individual - for example the guy/girl deleting posts here to watch the usual places bots use and simply ban them (no hard coding, no repetitive movement detection - just log into ashmadai lair whisper to the player and ban them if no response from the active player) - so a 2 day level-up will be destroyed by the admin with a few clicks and 2 min. observation - it is not worth to do for the developer cause of 2 things:
a) Bots count as players, so game looks more played in metrics - else player base would probably drop by 50+%
b) some people are suggesting that the company itself is running those bots as to get money from the game which is then not to be shared with developers/license holders (HASBRO/WOTC).
zhentarim-warlock-companion
Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
plague-fire-weapon-enchant-r11-vs-r12
If i stay in the game at all that is.
zhentarim-warlock-companion
Pure -> Transcendent Plague Fire weapon enchantment giving 80damge/20 seconds for 500k+ AD is a joke.
plague-fire-weapon-enchant-r11-vs-r12
> > @unruly65 said:
> > So, I need some advice.
> >
> > I had just paid $20 to have enough zen to purchase 3 more months of VIP, then the next day the big announcement came.
>
> Do a "charge-back" with your credit card and/or PayPal. Get your money back.
>
This is funny: Someone replied to my message, calling me an "idiot" for suggesting a charge-back because they'll ban your account. Cryptic censored *that* message but not mine! Ha.
Anyway, I'd say: 1) If they're being dishonest, who cares if they ban your account? 2) I've heard (but don't have references to) stories where they haven't banned the accounts -- and really, if there's a chance a user will still spend more money(*) but not otherwise create disruption, why would they? I don't have direct knowledge either way, though, so caveat emptor….
(*)… and all these people saying, "I'm going to play out my VIP and then quit!" Uh, yeah… in 3 weeks or 3 months when your VIP is gone, you'll have adjusted to the game as it is and your anger over this move will be forgotten…. and so you'll be inclined to spend more $$/Zen/AD at that point anyway… Not that I blame anyone for doing this, but Crypic is surely quite literally banking on short human memories….
tbh, though… I think it's just going to come down to coal wards being too expensive to make the game enjoyable now….