guardian fighter pvp has extremely strong encounters.

mamalion1234 · December 2015

http://postimg.org/image/qemqvywsx/ bull charge with 5700 power 12500 physical damage.
http://postimg.org/image/al57a5yut/ bull charge with into the fray 21700 physical damage.
without a weapon enchant( feytouched ofcourse i mean) on 5700 power gf has 21700 physical damage for 8 seconds and 4 seconds 12500.

imagine the numbers for a gf with 15k+ power and feytouched. something is wrong here for a support class.

ALL those without the debuffs tide of iron and marked from tab .

Another thing doesnt make sense is when you get anvil when you are over than 40% life and the hit is like you got anvil under 40% life AND this happens also when you are not proned.

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kropek1991 · December 2015

mamalion1234 said:
http://postimg.org/image/qemqvywsx/ bull charge with 5700 power 12500 physical damage.
http://postimg.org/image/al57a5yut/ bull charge with into the fray 21700 physical damage.
without a weapon enchant( feytouched ofcourse i mean) on 5700 power gf has 21700 physical damage for 8 seconds and 4 seconds 12500.

imagine the numbers for a gf with 15k+ power and feytouched. something is wrong here for a support class.

ALL those without the debuffs tide of iron and marked from tab .

Another thing doesnt make sense is when you get anvil when you are over than 40% life and the hit is like you got anvil under 40% life AND this happens also when you are not proned.

You described problem but in fact not these skill are problem.

Look there is screen from my damage encounter and Daily on CW :
Desintegrate - http://zapodaj.net/c8eca782bdd76.png.html
Ice Knife- http://zapodaj.net/bc46ad2f48a2f.png.html

But in fact vs BiS players you can hit maybe...15/20k with full stack of ice of course....

Problem is like Lazarus said buff from ITF + pump up amount of defense like even 20k of def, what make your DR about 50% what in result is: tanky class with insane dmg + it regenerates your shield + you are faster + if you have build with temporary hit points ITF provides you through awhile + 15% dps thanks to them...yea this single buff is just to much for GF.

kropek1991 · December 2015

my bad....double post. Please remove.

zekethesinner · December 2015

I agree gf's encounters can hit pretty hard, But ppl ofc forget about other stuff, blinded by streght of one. U can trow ur rotation only once per 10 seconds or so. U miss, u w8 next rotation. GL with that. Our at-wills r pointless for dps, provides buff only.

(Sin)cerely
Kain

kropek1991 · December 2015

zekethesinner said:
I agree gf's encounters can hit pretty hard, But ppl ofc forget about other stuff, blinded by streght of one. U can trow ur rotation only once per 10 seconds or so. U miss, u w8 next rotation. GL with that. Our at-wills r pointless for dps, provides buff only.

(Sin)cerely
Kain

Sorry but GF at-wills can hit to my CW 40k dps- this is just horror for me, but true is that it is preety hard to land them.

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hypervoreian · December 2015

I tried to refrain from topic.
cause it is just a nerf thread plain outright.

Mamalion who mainly plays a CW ,posts a screen shot of one Gf encounter ,dealing 10k damage with 12 s ICD.
kropek comes to support mamalion-Kropek also plays CW- and says that his DisIntegrate does 70k damage every 5,4 s.But that is fine for him.Cause people have tenacity.

So when 70k every 5,4 s is ok -people have tenacity- but 10k every 12 s is OP.Yes...i guess people when see a gf unequip their tenacity lol ;P

This thread is sad.sad.No facts distorted reality just reminds me how vile the Cw pvp community is in Nw.
I have nothing against the class ,most of my best freinds are pve CWs ,but really guys ...10k op,70k ok...lol .just lol.

The term and definition of hypocricy.

I am here since mod 2,i also had a beta ccount which i lost due to microsofot hotmail security.I just say this to any fellow GFs reading this conversation:I know all the pvp thread mentality and how people behave here.

It has nothing to do with balance.I never asked any nerf thread since mod5 early mod6.
In a pvp infested with perma root HRs,invincible Trs oneshotting people with SE,sprint runners unstop perma mode GWfs,supertanky bunny jumping 90s feet machine guns CWs..permanet Ops the problem for some is ...GFs!!!

ROLFMAO.

How many Gfs pvp? lol8...?15?it would be funny if it wouldn';t be sad.

The bitter truth is this to make it short:
Kropek ,mamalion,and macjae play the most easy mode class ever graced any MMO ,the NW pvp CW.70k nukes every 5 secs,90s range 80% Dr extrashield (ROLFMAO) plus immunity dodges.
And which class gives a cw trouble?Gfs cause they block their CC.that;s what Mamalakis .MacJae and Kropek are here.
To nerf their opponent so to continue to have absurd K/d ratios.
Nothing else .

And something in general:

1. You all complain about Gf being utility yet he has damage.In any MMO to achieve parity and balance what a class takes in defense loses in offense .How much dr an average Gf has?30-35% How much a Cw 10-13%? So a Cw should only have +20% more damage than a GF.Is now that the case?or you have 500% more damage?yet you want to nerf Gf damage.

2. Gf is utility but has damage.And Cw is CC/Striker but he has a separate 80% Dr shield for god's sake!!! Even with broekn shield (25%) it surpasses the Dr of a guardian!! 12+25=37% Dr!!!And 25% of it is unmitigated!!
That is GMC "balance "inspiral.It did not surprised me that every Cw on the server took it bad when he left.Your mentor is gone.

I can also have the ability to record ,and to make nerf threads.I will avoid too.

Gf damage was semi buffed during mod6 cause during preview we couldn't finish any mob in Tod.I was 20k gs that time and in preview i couldn't kill any add than less that 30 secs.that is why Gf was buffed.we are extremely low in PVE cause we are slow in solo game,comparing to DPS classes.
A nerf to Gf damage is basically the death warrant of a Gf as a class.You basically want to kill Gf class with your stupid suggestions.
10k bull eh?too much? go to IWD and try to kill an armored dwarf.report me when you will succeed even now.And you want nerf damage.

The cultprint is not Gf encounters...the cult print is the double marking stack and maybe the ITF.But iTF if would be to nerfed it will have to nerfed only in pvp.
And in that case i'll make sure Gf community to go after CW shield.Quaranteed, 100% 10/10.Ah and your long priviledge-another GMC inspire-to ignore 66% of tenacity ,cause "we are squishy" .ROLFMAO.

Edit:kain don't trust them ,they are not honest they just want an easy time.

indylol · December 2015

The entire point of the GF class has been missed here. As a conq build where your sole purpose is to be a striker doing high amounts of burst damage in a small window to push through truely broken abilities that plague pvp, lookin at you gift of faith. GFs are the only class that can reliably do so, but at a price. Its once every 12 seconds, and it's EXTREMELY (that caps is for emphasis) telegraphed. Seriously, you hear a GF shout (ITF) and you know to either get away, spam dodge frames, or CC him. And as a bonus if the GF is worth his salt, he will have marked his target too, so If you did get hit by the bull's bus, sorry but you had ample warning.

I won't talk about disintegrate because we all know tapping one encounter and doing 70K+ instantly from range is fair and fun. But plz dont pick on GFs for having one viable purpose in pvp.

kropek1991 · December 2015

hypervoreian said:
I tried to refrain from topic.
cause it is just a nerf thread plain outright.

Mamalion who mainly plays a CW ,posts a screen shot of one Gf encounter ,dealing 10k damage with 12 s ICD.
kropek comes to support mamalion-Kropek also plays CW- and says that his DisIntegrate does 70k damage every 5,4 s.But that is fine for him.Cause people have tenacity.

So when 70k every 5,4 s is ok -people have tenacity- but 10k every 12 s is OP.Yes...i guess people when see a gf unequip their tenacity lol ;P

This thread is sad.sad.No facts distorted reality just reminds me how vile the Cw pvp community is in Nw.
I have nothing against the class ,most of my best freinds are pve CWs ,but really guys ...10k op,70k ok...lol .just lol.

The term and definition of hypocricy.

I am here since mod 2,i also had a beta ccount which i lost due to microsofot hotmail security.I just say this to any fellow GFs reading this conversation:I know all the pvp thread mentality and how people behave here.

It has nothing to do with balance.I never asked any nerf thread since mod5 early mod6.
In a pvp infested with perma root HRs,invincible Trs oneshotting people with SE,sprint runners unstop perma mode GWfs,supertanky bunny jumping 90s feet machine guns CWs..permanet Ops the problem for some is ...GFs!!!

ROLFMAO.

How many Gfs pvp? lol8...?15?it would be funny if it wouldn';t be sad.

The bitter truth is this to make it short:
Kropek ,mamalion,and macjae play the most easy mode class ever graced any MMO ,the NW pvp CW.70k nukes every 5 secs,90s range 80% Dr extrashield (ROLFMAO) plus immunity dodges.
And which class gives a cw trouble?Gfs cause they block their CC.that;s what Mamalakis .MacJae and Kropek are here.
To nerf their opponent so to continue to have absurd K/d ratios.
Nothing else .

And something in general:

1. You all complain about Gf being utility yet he has damage.In any MMO to achieve parity and balance what a class takes in defense loses in offense .How much dr an average Gf has?30-35% How much a Cw 10-13%? So a Cw should only have +20% more damage than a GF.Is now that the case?or you have 500% more damage?yet you want to nerf Gf damage.

2. Gf is utility but has damage.And Cw is CC/Striker but he has a separate 80% Dr shield for god's sake!!! Even with broekn shield (25%) it surpasses the Dr of a guardian!! 12+25=37% Dr!!!And 25% of it is unmitigated!!
That is GMC "balance "inspiral.It did not surprised me that every Cw on the server took it bad when he left.Your mentor is gone.

I can also have the ability to record ,and to make nerf threads.I will avoid too.

Gf damage was semi buffed during mod6 cause during preview we couldn't finish any mob in Tod.I was 20k gs that time and in preview i couldn't kill any add than less that 30 secs.that is why Gf was buffed.we are extremely low in PVE cause we are slow in solo game,comparing to DPS classes.
A nerf to Gf damage is basically the death warrant of a Gf as a class.You basically want to kill Gf class with your stupid suggestions.
10k bull eh?too much? go to IWD and try to kill an armored dwarf.report me when you will succeed even now.And you want nerf damage.

The cultprint is not Gf encounters...the cult print is the double marking stack and maybe the ITF.But iTF if would be to nerfed it will have to nerfed only in pvp.
And in that case i'll make sure Gf community to go after CW shield.Quaranteed, 100% 10/10.Ah and your long priviledge-another GMC inspire-to ignore 66% of tenacity ,cause "we are squishy" .ROLFMAO.

Edit:kain don't trust them ,they are not honest they just want an easy time.

You misunderstood what i want to say. I showed you how many dmg can deal CW encounter and said " in fact not these (GF) skill are problem." So where i wrote that these skills are OP? I said that ITF provides to much for GF. Maybe it is becouse of my engilsh but Please don't make me evil because i am playing CW.

hypervoreian · December 2015

^^^
My apologies then cropek .I generalize with out reason.Accept my excuse for that.

You didn't say it ,but macjae and mamalakis implied it.

santralafax · December 2015

I find fighting GFs challenging, absolutely. But I don't generally get 1-shotted by them. In a mathematical world, they COULD do what you say, I suppose, but generally I can get out of the way, or sprint to their back, etc. You need to have enough hit points to survive a strong hit--but that's true of any of the classes. I certainly get proned by them from time to time. PVP isn't brownie baking. :-)

I don't find them them the threat people have been posting about *so much* lately.

There are 2 classes I find OP. One is the Paladin, in terms of defense. I wouldn't mind them getting a damage buff, but they gotta get a defense nerf. They really weren't built for PVP--and they gotta be to be a class in this game.

The other I won't lynch this thread over, but most people don't see them anyway.

hypervoreian · December 2015

Santrafalax i 'll say you a point about CWs.:

Prior to mod6 release there was a named CW,among usual suspect Macjae who was posting nerf threads against Gfs all day.
Thing is that spesific Cw was a youtuber also.And in another thread posted his youtube videos ,where with his guildmates were agaisnt an EoA/Absolute premade.
That premade had 1 GWF and one Gf.Especially the Gf was a monster and a superb player.Do you know how much time he took the nerf creator to finish the two tanks in succesion by himself?

I counted it back then 25 secs.one cw vs 1 GWf and one GF.
6 Secs against the Gf alone.

And the next day that Cw would continue to post in the forums how he got oneshotted ,how the gfs do so much damage...
How the Gfs are beasts in one vs one(while he killed one of the best in ability and gear in 6 secs).

These are the people you talk too.and you try to imply reason to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpbgQ6C2LAM

from 6.30 and onwards.enjoy the "squishy"striker Cw (who tanks 4 people node by himself) the claimed one shoting Bullrush (that in video does 4k damage) the claimed terryfying anvil(that does 6k in the video) and the poor

Cw-that how the describe themselves,weak and impotent- who kills absolute tanks in seconds while losing 5% of his HP.

These are the people ....

zekethesinner · December 2015

clonkyo1 said:

Dont know yours, but both GFs of mine can cast ItF around 12 secs each, it last for around 8 seconds without any "encounter buff" (Like "relentless battle fury") for both and both can block for 20 secs or so... So, it means that on all that time, i can be able to kill 2 players if im lucky enough to get a high crit Crescendo on the second target if i land Bull + AoD on other target and, if happends by chance that near us is a undergeared pug, then, maybe i could be able to kill him/her before ItC expires (obviously, on a ideal scenario where i am the only one who can attack all targets "freely" [this is, they are focused, in example, on a TR or a GWF])

Dont know yours, but my gf hits ~30k BC followed by 20k lunging, 50k crescendo and finish with 60k+ anvil (+20k elven feriocity somehere around, usualy on BC) . And thats on heavy geared players (but ofc maxed out selfbuffs and debuffs + TFT). I dont deny that. But first: i dont even use ITF, completly screws pvp experience, coz:

a) enemy knows our window of atak, and he knows if i miss it, im in trouble.
b) rotation easy to miss, then u have 12s of blindly hiting and hopeing to at least drop enemy hp by a bit, but u mess ur whole rotation. Sometimes u cant restore from that for even next couple rotation, coz u CANT only shield up, u also need to scare them, and respond on they atk, so u wont be only shielding dummy.
c) to kill heavy geared player u need land whole rotaton, crescendo included, sometimes 2 roations, and that with heavy debuffs (tide, wms feat, tab), 5 stacks of wrath/or feated superiority and 5 stacks of conq capstone. If u dont take out heavy geared enemy in 2 rotations top, u r dead. U may shield up, u may have 80% base DR, they have so many atks per seond, or so strong atks, u r getting eaten alive.

Just try to drop ur shield against yorg in wrong moment (tho havnt seen him in a while, but i also pvp much less now), which is 90% of the moments, and u wont have even chance to drop ur rotation, no itc, no broken hr shift and autorpcing roots messing with him, no unstopable.

For gf its all about first, max second, rotation. On those damn short legs good cw can kite u endlessy, especialy if all u have is BC.

U r speaking aboubt experience against scurbs, im not.

Ofc i can send 2k tr flying with 60k BC and kill him with elven feriocity proc.

The problem is, tr still can oneshoot me, tho i rarely let them get me from behind, usualy only when its 2 of them, but even if its one and hiting shield constantly, its 20k hit on shield, almost always. he needs 6-7 of those to eventualy kill me, without anything else, usualy 4 is needed + SM, some DF with ITC landed on my shield. Tr can do it in 1min. In that time i need to find him, land roataion and hope he does no have ITC rdy.

I wont mention other classes, but since that... mamal and his rly good cw is here crying i want just to mention: cw with twisted in time of between our rotations can drop 4 desintegrations, and basicly 3 of any other skills. I dont care i can shield, if i miss rotation, and u will - U need to worn out good cw out of dodges, and even more important, shield, thats usualy the only way, and also u need to get ur debuffs and buffs first, which is liek 10s before u start rly working on him. - in that time he drops his 3 rotations and like 2 OFs.

Ahh, lets dont start about high deflect hrs and trs.

Ehh why do i even try. Just nerf my gwf, my gf and my hr. I will just send enchants and rp on cw when the time comes again.

10k BC, thats your problem? U didnt even meet good gfs yet.

(Sin)cerely
Kain

santralafax · December 2015

zekethesinner said:

The problem is, tr still can oneshoot me, tho i rarely let them get me from behind, usualy only when its 2 of them, but even if its one and hiting shield constantly, its 20k hit on shield, almost always. he needs 6-7 of those to eventualy kill me, without anything else, usualy 4 is needed + SM, some DF with ITC landed on my shield. Tr can do it in 1min. In that time i need to find him, land roataion and hope he does no have ITC rdy.

OK. So how do YOU track TRs such that you can keep them from hitting your back?

zekethesinner · December 2015

santralafax said:

OK. So how do YOU track TRs such that you can keep them from hitting your back?

And U just have asked for main reason why i dont pvp right now too much. I track them by sound. when u face good tr u may assume atack comes from behind, not always tho, they r smart too, then u reacted on atk from behind 3 times, next one almost for sure comes from front. Thats introducion to ur question. SE sound is long enought to react in time, also SE from behind tend to be a bit louder, at least i hear it that way, may be my imagination (but i think it not, iirc mob sound effect also tend to be louder in equal to how close mobs is). And when i hear them coming i know timing (that is when i dont have to big lag) so in right moment i turn around for 90 degree (if u mvoe too fasst they may cancel in ime and repeat, somtimes its better to jsut look like u r running around with shield up having no idea from where atk comes). There a bit more about that. ur postion on node, or if fight even is on node. If thats first SE coming. If not first, i may assume i should this time move 90 degree in another direction or even do fast 120-180 degree flip. And why its my main reason for me not to pvp? Coz my damn sound driver is not working with game after recent reinstalation of system. And i have no sound in game, im totaly vulnerable.

That how i would describe something i do with pure reflex. I hope this aswer satisfy U.

(Sin)ceerely
Kain

zekethesinner · December 2015

*bumer*

indylol · December 2015

@zekethesinner

you're 100% correct on the sound and reflexs, i do the same on my GF because SE and Ice Knife have very loud and unique sounds making them very easy to block with practice and like you said making it become a reflex.

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indylol · December 2015

@macjae

Like i said, our one HEAVILY telegraphed purpose is to be the hard counter to gift of faith, yes that requires we do enough damage to kill you twice over, but isn't that better than having the GF class bee reduced to exactly as you put it "the guy you bring along for ITF."

And also i do understand blocking is a Very strong mechanic when used properly, but it requires stamina, you dont get an unlimited amount of it. That means i have a window to work with where i know im vulnerable but i have to put my enemy on the defensive or il get blown up. So yes it may seem unfair but we need the high spike to have a true presence in a fight.

And if i did play sloppy and allowed a Cw to nuke past my shield, 30k crits + boons weren't common, but from the best CWs i learned to expect it.

Edit: I missed the first part, and this is all coming from an xb1 GF, but the time you describe between initial ITF cast, blocking and approaching your target for bulls / crescendo is when an experienced enemy will spam dodge frames etc, until either their stamina runs out or mine. But in that time instead of running and kiting, the harder targets will play close to me knowing once my guard is down its a green light for both of us.

But i will yield that because of our high single target damage + invincibility frames from dailies, GFs are in a great spot to win nearly any 1v1 with equal gear and skill.

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zekethesinner · December 2015

Also there is one funny thing, one of my friends notices. This topic is strongly advocated by ppl from BTG. What a funny coincidence.

Just sain'. *whistles*

Edit:

macjae said:

No, it's not, because that kind of thing should be the job of classes whose role is "Striker" -- in PvP terms, the role of the GF should be to be able to hold a node, because their class role is "Defender." The point of those class roles is to describe what the classes *do* and what they contribute to a party. When the Defender has more burst damage by far than any Striker, something is wrong. (And speccing conqueror doesn't make a GF a Striker, it just means his damage should be approaching that level.)

I'm also not saying that I want the GF to be reduced to some support bot in PvP -- just that their damage needs to be more reasonable and has to take into account their other capabilities, like tanking and CC, which they are also very good at.

Quick update on this. U mean we should keep that node until some striker kill us? Thats our mere role in your opinion? Punchbag? We both know how it looks between gf and cw. If cw catches me with right timing im most likely dead with his endless rotation (sharp video around 18:00). If i catch cw he is dead with my single rotation, the problem is u just need to catch me when i drop shield to do something. or slow me down with OF, get behind me and CC from one of directions, acctualy there is many options. i need to watch u tp and get u when ur immunity frame worns out between two jumps, and before that i need apply as much debuffs as possible, get all my buffs up and then start to working, im already punchbag for liek 5-10 sec at least. But im patient punchbag.

Wolf needs to find u only once my friend, only once. And i always have my sheep for dinner. Coz sheep is impatient and would liek to kill me in 3s.

Also speaking about burst, have u seen that tr lurking in shadows around us? That one with 150k SE? No, not that one, another one.

Also sharps video couple of posts up. U know star playing there, right? Who had better burst dmg? That GF, or 40k desintegration in his face around 14:20?

(Sin)cerely
Kain

santralafax · December 2015

zekethesinner said:

santralafax said:

OK. So how do YOU track TRs such that you can keep them from hitting your back?
And U just have asked for main reason why i dont pvp right now too much. I track them by sound. when u face good tr u may assume atack comes from behind, not always tho, they r smart too, then u reacted on atk from behind 3 times, next one almost for sure comes from front. Thats introducion to ur question. SE sound is long enought to react in time, also SE from behind tend to be a bit louder, at least i hear it that way, may be my imagination (but i think it not, iirc mob sound effect also tend to be louder in equal to how close mobs is). And when i hear them coming i know timing (that is when i dont have to big lag) so in right moment i turn around for 90 degree (if u mvoe too fasst they may cancel in ime and repeat, somtimes its better to jsut look like u r running around with shield up having no idea from where atk comes). There a bit more about that. ur postion on node, or if fight even is on node. If thats first SE coming. If not first, i may assume i should this time move 90 degree in another direction or even do fast 120-180 degree flip. And why its my main reason for me not to pvp? Coz my damn sound driver is not working with game after recent reinstalation of system. And i have no sound in game, im totaly vulnerable.

That how i would describe something i do with pure reflex. I hope this aswer satisfy U.

(Sin)ceerely
Kain

Thanks for that info. Clearly I need to turn my sound up. By the time I hear it right now, I'm eating dagger. Hope you sort out your sound card quickly--without a major re-install!

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mamalion1234 · December 2015

hypervoreian said:
I tried to refrain from topic.
cause it is just a nerf thread plain outright.

Mamalion who mainly plays a CW ,posts a screen shot of one Gf encounter ,dealing 10k damage with 12 s ICD.
kropek comes to support mamalion-Kropek also plays CW- and says that his DisIntegrate does 70k damage every 5,4 s.But that is fine for him.Cause people have tenacity.

So when 70k every 5,4 s is ok -people have tenacity- but 10k every 12 s is OP.Yes...i guess people when see a gf unequip their tenacity lol ;P

This thread is sad.sad.No facts distorted reality just reminds me how vile the Cw pvp community is in Nw.
I have nothing against the class ,most of my best freinds are pve CWs ,but really guys ...10k op,70k ok...lol .just lol.

The term and definition of hypocricy.

I am here since mod 2,i also had a beta ccount which i lost due to microsofot hotmail security.I just say this to any fellow GFs reading this conversation:I know all the pvp thread mentality and how people behave here.

It has nothing to do with balance.I never asked any nerf thread since mod5 early mod6.
In a pvp infested with perma root HRs,invincible Trs oneshotting people with SE,sprint runners unstop perma mode GWfs,supertanky bunny jumping 90s feet machine guns CWs..permanet Ops the problem for some is ...GFs!!!

ROLFMAO.

How many Gfs pvp? lol8...?15?it would be funny if it wouldn';t be sad.

The bitter truth is this to make it short:
Kropek ,mamalion,and macjae play the most easy mode class ever graced any MMO ,the NW pvp CW.70k nukes every 5 secs,90s range 80% Dr extrashield (ROLFMAO) plus immunity dodges.
And which class gives a cw trouble?Gfs cause they block their CC.that;s what Mamalakis .MacJae and Kropek are here.
To nerf their opponent so to continue to have absurd K/d ratios.
Nothing else .

And something in general:

1. You all complain about Gf being utility yet he has damage.In any MMO to achieve parity and balance what a class takes in defense loses in offense .How much dr an average Gf has?30-35% How much a Cw 10-13%? So a Cw should only have +20% more damage than a GF.Is now that the case?or you have 500% more damage?yet you want to nerf Gf damage.

2. Gf is utility but has damage.And Cw is CC/Striker but he has a separate 80% Dr shield for god's sake!!! Even with broekn shield (25%) it surpasses the Dr of a guardian!! 12+25=37% Dr!!!And 25% of it is unmitigated!!
That is GMC "balance "inspiral.It did not surprised me that every Cw on the server took it bad when he left.Your mentor is gone.

I can also have the ability to record ,and to make nerf threads.I will avoid too.

Gf damage was semi buffed during mod6 cause during preview we couldn't finish any mob in Tod.I was 20k gs that time and in preview i couldn't kill any add than less that 30 secs.that is why Gf was buffed.we are extremely low in PVE cause we are slow in solo game,comparing to DPS classes.
A nerf to Gf damage is basically the death warrant of a Gf as a class.You basically want to kill Gf class with your stupid suggestions.
10k bull eh?too much? go to IWD and try to kill an armored dwarf.report me when you will succeed even now.And you want nerf damage.

The cultprint is not Gf encounters...the cult print is the double marking stack and maybe the ITF.But iTF if would be to nerfed it will have to nerfed only in pvp.
And in that case i'll make sure Gf community to go after CW shield.Quaranteed, 100% 10/10.Ah and your long priviledge-another GMC inspire-to ignore 66% of tenacity ,cause "we are squishy" .ROLFMAO.

Edit:kain don't trust them ,they are not honest they just want an easy time.

yes i play cw and even when i use defence artifacts+ the shield different layer + negation + defence boon is the same vs the guardian. ignore me i am a cw ok. what about clerics with better defences than me happens the same even inside astral shield? can we try land ice knife vs cleric in his shield even if i have into the fray? i will not kill him.
NOT even the supposed true damage dealers cannot kill clerics( great weapon fighters).

kropek1991 · December 2015

zekethesinner said:
Also there is one funny thing, one of my friends notices. This topic is strongly advocated by ppl from BTG. What a funny coincidence.

Just sain'. *whistles*

Edit:
macjae said:

No, it's not, because that kind of thing should be the job of classes whose role is "Striker" -- in PvP terms, the role of the GF should be to be able to hold a node, because their class role is "Defender." The point of those class roles is to describe what the classes *do* and what they contribute to a party. When the Defender has more burst damage by far than any Striker, something is wrong. (And speccing conqueror doesn't make a GF a Striker, it just means his damage should be approaching that level.)

I'm also not saying that I want the GF to be reduced to some support bot in PvP -- just that their damage needs to be more reasonable and has to take into account their other capabilities, like tanking and CC, which they are also very good at.

Quick update on this. U mean we should keep that node until some striker kill us? Thats our mere role in your opinion? Punchbag? We both know how it looks between gf and cw. If cw catches me with right timing im most likely dead with his endless rotation (sharp video around 18:00). If i catch cw he is dead with my single rotation, the problem is u just need to catch me when i drop shield to do something. or slow me down with OF, get behind me and CC from one of directions, acctualy there is many options. i need to watch u tp and get u when ur immunity frame worns out between two jumps, and before that i need apply as much debuffs as possible, get all my buffs up and then start to working, im already punchbag for liek 5-10 sec at least. But im patient punchbag.

Wolf needs to find u only once my friend, only once. And i always have my sheep for dinner. Coz sheep is impatient and would liek to kill me in 3s.

Also speaking about burst, have u seen that tr lurking in shadows around us? That one with 150k SE? No, not that one, another one.

Also sharps video couple of posts up. U know star playing there, right? Who had better burst dmg? That GF, or 40k desintegration in his face around 14:20?

(Sin)cerely
Kain

Also quick update to this ;d

This movie is...a little old already + dom isn't top GF in my opinion + also that GWF wasn't too strong...

What else: I think.....i am pretty good CW ( you can see my gear is alll r12 + max arti etc.) and I assure you- to kill BiS GF i need a several rotation to do it because it is not possible for character with 2,5k+ tenacity, 50% dr, lets say 140k hp + negation was killed by CW in "endless rotation" this is not possible. Even with spell twisting - CW's crowd control without oppressor build is just....short. Look here: (this video is also "old" but there was no change in our CC since that time)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRHfuOQMsNU

Now something what surprised me- "get behind me". I don't know what kind of CWs have you met in domi and i don't know what is your EQ but believe me- when i was fighting aganst GFs like Stoner, Scubus, Prime etc. i was trying to keep max long range between us for obvious reasons - because they can easy put their rotation on me- If you know how to hit CW between dodges, skills like bull charge, frontline and crescendo are almost undodgeable, so approaching to that kind of GFs is just suicide.

At the end i want to say- i have chance to win againts GF with Negation enchant. With Elven in armor- No way, it is certain death

hope you'll understand all i want to say....:)
Gretings,
Obsy.

schietindebux · December 2015

Useless thread.
Go and face Prim Dom or some oter GF in PVP being a warlock.
Its one or twoshotted in a very very short intervall
20k power , 13k Arp...not much more needed
Your encounter AoD deals fully selfbuffed up to 150k crit and more every ? Sec....depends on your recovery
All known and experienced every day, nothing to prove , only a prove for the poor state of class balancing and the poor state of PVP in general
So some classes dodge, some stay invisible, some use shield some go unstoppable, some perma bubble....and some get oneshooted, even GWF get's twoshooted.
So once meeting one of them D... T.. L..lol., me only kiting and staying at distance because there is no contest facing each other, he got really angry and startend a "legendary" neverending insult for not just standing still and getting oneshooted... Childish in every aspect and again :
A useless discussion because there is nothing to discuss, we all know about it

hypervoreian · December 2015

I just logged to see where the nerf thread is.

Nothing unsual,lies everywhere claims of oneshot, with no proofs just talking.

Nothing new ,3 people( three,tria,tre,trio,drei,) for whole 3 mods (mod5/6/7) have an antiGf sentiment and agenda.

Well there is a reason Gf will never be nerfed no matter how loud you cry:

Gf fills a spesific place in class role apendition of C ryptic.And in that spot,Cryptic gave him damage in ONE of his trees.THE DPS ONE.
Cause he is well you know a guardian FIGHTER.Not a punchbag as you want to be.And you used to have him until mod3.

And if someones brings the classic WoW inspired jargon "tanks cannot have damage" i ll say first WoW is WoW.Here is NW.
In DnD Fighter is well a Fighter class.Also CWs in WoW aren't running with an 80% DR shield that replenishes after 6 secs (lol) but this isn't the point anyway.

With OP class introduce,the Gf is sub par to pve to an OP ,if we include the easy factor.That's what Cryptic gave him damage.
That's why also difficult to rework OP class but that is a different discussion.GF is better than OP offensivelly ,worst defensivelly.
Even at that point the pve Gf population is extremely small and cryptic knows that.
GF brings ITF (which you want to nerf it) and KV.But low IL GF and KV on,is a no go.Compare this to 1700k IL OPs that semi solo Kessell's.

As concerning pvp the Gf population is also extremely small.The reason is as stated by one of his enemies -when Gf is ganged he is toast in seconds.Not too much tanky behaviour don't you agree?

That's why people don't play Gf in pvp.

PVP GFs are problem for classes that use a lot of cc in their playstyle ,since Gf can block CC.That class is Cw.
Cw can fare well vs tr cause of shield.He can also control Op.But Gf for a Cw is a problem.
And here we have them crying all day like the baby crabs in drowned shore HE when giant crab is killed and small crabs stay alone

And as for concerning nerfs ,GF has been also hit by nerfhammer.He is the only class that don't gain Ap while daily is on.While the rest classes still do

Also there was a ninja nerf to AoD range.Since mid mod6 AoD range has been reduced.You must be kissing the enemy toon in order to have a hit box.Even then one dodge and..."miss".

But that is not enough to the SPS Cws there.For medical reasons SPS stands for "Sharandar Powries Syndrome".Cws want all their opponents to stay still.Science has not yet solved that problem but we have great scientific process in our days i hope 2016 will bring pvp Cws hapiness

YOU WILL NEVER NERF US CWS, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER

Edit:I also want to say something:exchange blows in forum does not mean i have any problem personally with anyone i mention.
i also want to say ,since i quote him a lot,that Obsydian is one of the best Cws out there .At least his reflexes and positioning comparing to the rest i have seen.
Regardless of gear as concerning reflexes and position, and from the cws i have seen,Obsydian,kallina,Tenebrae and in lower Il s,Reverend (although a troll sometimes) and Mobo.

Mobo is also the Cw that in mod5 was clearing one node with a dominion champion Tr and a grandmaster of gladiators TR defending.1 vs 2.Hall of fame of NW for all time.

Unknown · December 2015

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guardian fighter pvp has extremely strong encounters.

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